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"If I make an exception for you then I have to make an exception for everyone."
"You pass this law, and the next thing you know..."
(Dire consequences result.)
The slippery slope.
In a debate filled year, I thought it might behoove us to slide down it.
Although that could be a slippery slope in itself, since it'll probably lead to investigating word meanings and talking politics endlessly.
In debate or rhetoric, a slippery slope (also known as thin edge of the wedge, or the camel's nose) is a classic form of argument, arguably an informal fallacy, which means we all do it a lot.
Informally of course.
It's called that since a small first step leads to a chain of related events ending in hyperbole — much like an object given a small push over the edge of a slope sliding all the way to the bottom.
Event A has occurred.
Therefore event B will inevitably happen.
That’s a reasonable assumption.
Event A has occurred.
Event Y will follow.
That's not a reasonable assumption.
Clarence Darrow:
"If today you can take a thing like evolution and make it a crime to teach it in the public school, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools...
Ended with this fallacy:
(eventually)...marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth century."
While his passion in the Scopes Trial was understandable, the argument wound up on the bottom of the slope.
The Oxford English Dictionary claims the phrase originated 1951 but according to William Safire it was long before:
This from Iowa's Davenport Daily Leader in 1894:
"John Rademaker has an elastic and sympathetic auricular appendage (ear) that is always wide open to the reputable men in the profession who get stuck on the slippery slope."
Well, one thing about our members.
If they begin to slip, another astute member will always throw 'em a line.
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I think any discussion on politics and religion feels like a slippery slope.
"ear,ear,I say"
Hey,wait a minit......wasn't slippery slope the name of a Ben&Jerry's ice cream flavor ?
If not, it should have been.
Tea and scones sound good Roadie....I'll have that seat next to you.....
I bring some Dim Sim? I prefer their other name...Tim Sum, less dim witted. Whatever it is they mean "little hearts" ........ kinda nice for this occasion I hope
Okay Okay....bring the ice cream too......
Spring Fragrance- I agree that any discussion on religion or politics can lead to a slippery slope. You just never know what motivates spiritual beliefs and why people follow a certain doctrine. Discussing politics can cause you to see people that you like in a whole knew light and it may not be pretty.
Spring- The Dim Sum sounds good. I'll bring the canolies. And I think we should all collaborate on knew forzen dessert called a slippery slope.
Or was it, "Slithery Dee" .......
MISS SPRING: The Slope begins at that point where it ceases being a discussion, because someone objects to another having, and voicing, an opinion that may differ from one's own ... It is often subtle, but ... it happens ....... Bystanders and other Noticers, are often surprised by the abrupt discovery of a Poltroon ... One of the great benefits of living so long is, that one is seldom surprised by anything .......
Where's Chef Deb- We need her input on how to make a fabulous dessert called a slippery slope. Can we make a decadent frozen dessert that we set on fire before eating?
Oooohh...it's going to be a great party. Now, canolies is not something I'm familiar with, what's that Julia? Ivan, you are what we would call a "sifu".. a master.....you know, the kind who say," little cricket, when you can snatch this grasshopper, you have arrived"...what are you bringing Ivan? Bet it'll be a hard choice from your kitchen. And yes, Chef Deb..wheeeeeerree arrre yoouu?
Its an Italian pastry made with a crusty pastry tube and a sweet creamy filling. Sometimes we add chocolate.
That sounds sinfully decadent...mmmm....!
PARK54 where are you? She is not back yet from the slippery slope of therapy.
Just throwing a line, not astuting my own horn. If anyone sees or speaks to the fine lady wish her well for me, wish her a speedier recovery.
Back on topic as Miss Carol once astutely observed, It's kind of like waiting for the next shoe to fall...you know it will.
Given a discussion of politics or religion, I think I'll take the dum sum. Or a cannoli. Or a nice chocolate mousse. Because we do not discuss any of those things these days; they have ceased being topics of intellectual inquiry, and are arenas of polemic. I'd rather have a nice tea shop like the Willow Tea Room in Glasgow or Natalie's Elegant Creations in Falls Church. Pr a nice dim sum place like the Nam Wa Tea Parlor in New York City. Much more fun than sliding down a slope (usually on one's fanny).
My favorite slippery slopes are Heavenly in Lake Tahoe and Sunday River in Maine and if'n you don't use enough wax you slip off that board and right into the drink. All you Chicago area dwellers, it was one windy city yesterday and when I took off from Midway, it was a giddy-up & go flight. 2 days in a row, I hear Clarence Darrow's name and I see Spencer Tracy in that White Suit. Politics and Religion are slippery slopes but I live the style of Old School Southern Preachers and Lawyers/Politicians. Like him or not, I watched Al Gore, Sr. stand on a soapbox and "preach" politics for an hour and had no idea what he really stood for but I sure loved the way he said it. A slippery slope can be when emotion supersedes logic. This topic is juicy.
more on the honor rollGood grief!
After last night this...must be commentary on my rhetorical prowess.
A second more careful read through is always a good thing. My first scan read "a slippery slope (also known as thin edge of the wedge, or camel's toe)". Of course, that could work too......
I wonder if there are any tea and scones left in the club car from last night.
Qudaffi killed. Gunned down near hometown.
Trusting REUTERS could be a slippery slope?
Full disclosure: this team plays ours Saturday evening.
That said, Mr. Millen's excusing two fouls that look like one player trying to intimidate and hurt two opponents, (" That's youthful exuberance and lost in all this is that he is a heck of a football player. It happens all the time."), has in its circling of the wagons, or is it jerks, mentality, the making of a slippery slope.
A fifteen yard penalty is a bargain price if, outside the rules and the bounds of sportsmanship, an opposing player can be taken out.
Left unpunished, that kind of behavior could result in behavior as thuggish as English soccer… fans.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7118977/michigan-state-spartans-reviewing-fouls-william-gholston
A.) dead men tell no tales
didn't we just go down that slope yesterday?
Stoney, as a former player of the college game, I can tell you that when I played, we (my team mates) were practically frisked for a set of brass knuckles prior to the games beginning. If none were found, then a set was issued, to be returned at games end. We were never taught to play dirty, but the need to defend oneself is another story, especially in such a testosterone sport. That was obviously not the case based on the footage. Trash talk alone, if penalized to the extent it goes on, would stretch the limits of a college football game to double it's time slot, and there would be more yellow laundry tossed on the field. This guy, well, he just got caught and now has a reputation for "poor sportsmanship" and rightfully so. He'll find himself warming the pine for at least a game if his coach has a brain.
Thing is, it's a violent game. Bones get broken and feelings get hurt. Georgia let a great running back, Washaun Ealy, go (released him from the team) because he is a thug. UGA just finally got tired of his crap. I salute Coach Richt for his stand concern Mr. Ealy. I hope the same is not the case for this young man.
Mr. Millen's attempt to excuse it because "it goes on all the time" is bad for the game. It goes on, folks get caught and penalized. Coaches and commentators need to object to this kind of play with great prejudice. Slippery slope indeed.
Some folks enjoy life on the slope.
I'm ready for a gooey,yummy, slurppy, frozen, slippery slope dessert that ChefDeb can dream up for sure.
Perhaps I missed it, but does anyone know where Hazel is?
Miss Blue,
If nothing else, there is always some cold pizza laying around the club car from the late-late show folks. I hope i tipped the delivery dude enough last night, we were riding the rails in some pretty remote places it seems.
Stoney, was your end of the great lake experiencing the same amount of turmoil as my end....... Quite a night
Andy~ According to JaxZ yesterday Hazel spilled coffee in her omputer but it is being replaced later this week.
Peter Lake ~
A nor'easter creates some white-capped beauty and freight train sound as well as opportunities for water fowlers set up in the lee of an island or point.
Personally, enough is enough already.
Cold pizza, it's not just for breakfast anymore.
PL- Cold Pizza and optional room temp beer for breakfast. Thanks for the memories. These days I generally will grill an extra steak or chop so I can have it cold the next day sans silverwear. In my Man Cave all rules of etiquette are suspended. Wow-It was a wild ride on the big bird in and out of Midway yesterday and nippy leaving all my memories of last week's Florida trip far faraway and a case of sore nips since that breeze penetrated my autumn shirt fabric.
Those so inclined, please remember to pray for Cpl. Scott Harper's family today.
US MARINE LANCE CORPORAL SCOTT HARPER PROCESSIONAL ROUTE ANNOUNCED U. S. Marine Lance Corporal Scott Daniel Harper will be brought home by his beloved Marine Corps on Thursday, October 20th. Lance Corporal Harper, accompanied by members of the Marine Corps and his family, will land at Fulton County Airport/Charlie Brown Field Thursday morning, October 20th. A Marine Corps Honor Guard will escort Lance Corporal Harper off the plane. A procession will leave the airport at 11:30 a.m. to bring him to Douglas County.
Word is, Westboro Baptist will be there.
Generally speaking, most of us seem to try to understand and abide by rules, ordinances, regulations and laws.
The world is a large venue and those things change according to where the game of life is played: try to get anything done in the Philippines without bribing an official.
Sport, on the other hand, is an attempt by civilized societies to prove to themselves that conflict can be carried out in circumscribed fields of play with time and behavior constraints under which players (not combatants) learn dignity and respect for an opponent in victory and, more importantly, in defeat.
Westboro… the dark side of the First Amendment.
Well said Stoney.
never ever hear red checkers trash mouthing black checkers
I'll bake fresh scones. The Slippery Slope I am imagining is a "Bombe" shaped Chocolate Mousse Cake filled with 2 kinds of mousse, bittersweet & espresso, slopes made of chewy brownie like cake and topped with layers and layers of the most slippery whipped cream ever --chocolate shavings and raspberries for garnish (and occasional obstacle on the slippery slope).
Everything seems to be a Slippery Slope these days....
never ever seen a tiddly winks penelty
Jacks Hooligans? I doubt it
But I Have seen a testy Monopoly game or 3
Okay, guys, let's get back to the slippery slope before everyone went off the tracks and got into just desserts.
The headline of this morning's St. Petersburg Times (Florida) reads: Birthers call out Rubio. They say he is not a natural born citizen and so is ineligible to be president.
This is the Republican US Senator Marco Rubio. Obviously, the Tea Party crowd are even opposed to members of their own party and not just President Obama when it comes to the circumstances of birth.
Seems Rubio was born in the US in Miami; no question about it. However, his parents were not US citizens at the time, and in fact did not petition for citizenship until 1975, having first entered the country in 1956 as immigrants, returned to Cuba until it became apparent that it was embracing communism, and then re-entered the US in 1961. (So much for Senator Rubio's assertion that his parents were exiles--another slippery slope.)
It all hinges on whether a natural born citizen is a child born to a man and a woman, both of whom were US citizens at the time of the child's birth.
This all has to do with the interpretation of Article 2 of the US Constitution. And, as New Jersey lawyer Mario Apuzzo says: "It's nothing to do with him personally. But you can't change the rules because you like a certain person. Then you have no rules."
So, my fellow readers, was George Washington eligible to be president? His ancestors were British. How was citizenship defined before the Constitution? Before the Confederacy?
Or, as suggested by a recent email concerning natural born citizens, should we consider those babies delivered by C-section to be citizens, too?
ChefD~ I'm afraid to ask where the flambe` part is located
Stoney ~ I couldn't see it from all angles, but it looked
to me like the Wolverine cuffed him under the chin when he got up, long before
the Spartan threw the punch. If you just put some dresses on those cute little
badgers, you shouldn't have any altercations at all this Saturday.
VeraM
The Constitution reads, No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a
Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this
Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither
shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the
Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United
States. That explains Mr. Washington.
Chef Deb, Before Miss Bebe has a chance to say it, allow
me....Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm.........
It's time for me to slip away.
How about Large chunks of Vanilla Ice Cream, fried in Tempura Batter, with Dark Chocolate and Bisquit(mix'd with a little Clarified Butter) drizzled over each piece just before serving ??? A Taste Sensation .......
Tommy T ~ Qudaffi killed. Gunned down near hometown.
Boots on the ground - who is looking out for the missing weapons Quadaffi hoarded?????
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/15/world/africa/us-sending-contractors-to-secure-libyas-weapons.html
Another chilling slippery slope ride.
Ummgawa, I am praying for the family but also for those that think it appropriate to show up at a funeral with anything but compassion for the bereft.
I'm with you, ChefDeb - BRING ON THE CHOCOLATE!!! Raspberries on the side please.... and LOTS AND LOTS of slippery slide whipped cream.
Umm ~ Why is Westboro showing up?
VeraM ~ I don't think that a natural born citizen
is defined in any document or court ruling, but I could be wrong. Traditionally
anyone born on US soil or to US citizens is regarded as natural born. Regards
Marco Rubio, that's why we have courts. I would welcome a definition.
IVAN ~ The little lady informed me that dinner last
night was a recipe of yours, some bread pudding kind of casserole. She had a
fancy name for it. I was too busy eating to pay attention. All I can say is
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. It was outstanding. Thanks.
IVAN lets add a splash of framboise and LIGHT your topping!
I'm here now on the main road going through town. It's a good mile and a half from end to end and the streets are packed with people as far as these eyes can see. Quite moving.
Paolos, the Westboro folks seem to show up in a lot of places these days. Like someone said earlier, the dark side of the first amendment.
VM- Before the Constitution was...how should I say this...was before the Constitution. If the southern states had been willing to adopt the Fourteenth Amendment (Which would have been Mr. Lincoln's Wish I am convinced), coercive measures might have been avoided and the bloody riots and opportunistic carpetbaggers, etc. that ensued. On March 2, 1867, Congress passed the Military Reconstruction Act, which became the final plan for Reconstruction and identified the new conditions under which the southern governments would be formed. Hindsight and reason may have prevented some of the racial tensions that followed for the next hundred years but who knows. My home state, Tennessee was exempt from the Act because it had ratified the Fourteenth Amendment despite President Johnson's arguments against it. The Democratic Party in the South has a sordid past in many ways in this regard though they have honestly attempted to make up for it. So here we are today. As a Practical Minded Libertarian for many years (though I admit that Ron Paul needs some fashion assistance) and I would hope a reasonable man, I have voted for Democrats and Republicans and Independents. I just like to see shit get done when it needs to be done and things left alone when they don't need to be fiddled with. I say let the facts be presented and let the voters decide. I keep a copy of Will Rogers Says next to me so I will share one of my favs- When you stradddle a thing it takes a long time to explain it- Oops there goes another banana peel.
Much, on today's topic, but, late to the ball again, I just read Music from WWII and must thank JP and all who responded, how can one not? Stoney and PeterLake, I'm warmed by your presence, delighted to read you again.
Like several Eyefolk, I've parents to thank for appreciation of a time before my own, in a sense: I grew up hearing them sing those songs; 'dancing' as a toddler standing on Daddy's big shoes. And, a lifetime later, appreciated a radio DJ who played them "sending the children off to school," as I sent my own.
But wait: It's more than that. Good music stays in the mind, the heart, the country, the world (saw clip of Japanese all-teen-girl swing band playig those songs, wonderful, unexpected), dependable as classical music of the ages, yet specific to a time and place in our history. Observe how deeply moved we yet are by it, regardless of era.
Oh, dear, what I went through to get here: Lost my password so JP et al. sent 'newly-washed' one I'll alter. Lovely to be back (and semi-well), glad Stoney's keeping lab appointments; shall shape words of thoughts on today and reappear....
Grateful to all.
Yes, CHOCOLATE....
....and I will sip some of that framboise as I slip on your slope creation!
VERA.M no disrespect to you (Welcome!) or to Today's Topic (thanks Mr. P) but it is kind of a tradition around here to segue into food from time to time, but point taken.
CAROL we might need 2 bottles of Framboise with our crowd....xo
PAOLOS: There are several really outstanding Savory Bread Puddings, and I am partial to Products with Kosher or Italian pedigree ... If the Recipe was mine, I am delighted that you enjoy'd it ... but am given to wonder how your Missuss got it ??? Not that I mind sharing, especially here in the Village, but I just don't remember ever writing out a Recipe for a Savory Bread Pudding in these pages ... Still, I am glad you found it palatable ... (and a bracing Red along with it, I hope ...) Bread Pudding is filling, enjoyable, and with a Good Table Red, will help to Reverse the Aging Process, while posing no weight-gain threat whatsoever .......
CHEFDEB: I'm with you !!! Lets Lite it up !!! Always loved the affect .......
Bread Pudding with Bourbon Sauce. Warm Brown Sugar and butter goo on anything is outrageous good and slides down the slippery back slope of my my throat and settles in on the back forty.
Julia- A nice frozen dessert set on fire....BAKED ALASKA! Love how all you "regulars" (Sorry, Villagers)bring food into almost every topic. I do enjoy sharing with you all....wish I could opine more frequently, but work, home, family, well, Life! keeps me from getting on the computer as much as I'd like.
Oh, got spit on once by a camel.....talk about slippery slope!
IVAN ~ It was from this site, you probably posted it early one morning when you were ready to turn in. It was a savory bread pudding, I recall that she used her own bread instead of cake donuts. Do the cake donuts jog the noggin? I washed it down with a cold one, weight gain is not an issue and as long as the aging process stays in neutral, I'm happy.
ChefDeb ~ Segue...are you kidding? Bypassing topics and
diving into food head first is more traditional in these parts. Topics can
wait. We've got all day and well into the next. I think this can be found
somewhere in the second amendment... A well fed Militia, being
necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep
and share food, shall not be infringed.
arugula salads, pasta and homemade meat sauce, garlic n butter naan....
Our daughter is a cross country runner and wants to carb load at dinner...someone please send some of that bread pudding over for dessert...only one serving though; for the kid.
smiles to infiniti- That sounds slippery. We used to say as kids- "slicker than snail snot". What comes to mind is that gook that used to be in the bottom of a can of Vienna Sausages.
Yuck! What is that stuff anyway? Jellee, aspic? Puree of lips and snouts? UMMMM....snouts....
chicken lips
You are all going to the darker side now!!!
Georgia ~
Yeehaw! How nice to have you back.
It was Simone Signoret who said: "Nostalgia isn't what it used to be."
She looked tired.
My lovely bride and I, along with our daughter Jenna, stood on Church Street in our small town, while the body of Cpl Scott Harper was carried to his final resting place. Through my tears I noticed two old veterans, both standing at attention, saluting as Cpl Harper rode past, them both weeping. It was so moving to see a community come out in support of Cpl. Harper and his family. I will forever remember the sight of his mother in the back seat of the trailing limo, uncontrollably sobbing. Not only at the loss of her precious son, but at the show of love and support. God Bless the family.
Dropping a USA drone on top of another country's leader.....regardless how unlovable he might be....now, there's a slippery slope!
ChefDeb--Gee whizz, how do I say this . . . . I'm a vegan. Horror of horrors, gasp, gag! Have been for over 15 years. Avoided gallbladder surgery, and never a sick day or pain since. I was and still am a damned good cook, including desserts.
MooseLoop ~ I guess it doesn't matter if the leader has been deposed. I guess there are many with the remains of loved ones scattered over Lockerbie that really have no love lost over Moammar Q or G or K or however it's spelled.
Moose- Ding Dong the wicked Witch..uh Warlock is dead. Instant Little Western Style Democracy to follow- who is minding those oil fields?
VM- Growing up in a rural area, in the summer, we had veggies five or six nights a week and great desserts with every meal so no gasps from the Tommy Section for meatless lifestyle. Like Woody Allen's Chamelon, I become With my Vegan Friends, Non Drinking Friends, or Ex Smokers all I ask is a simple "No thank you" instead of a lecture about the perils of activities that I enjoy.
C H A M E L E O N As in Karma, That damn word cost me the sixth grade spelling bee. And back to yesterday I love science as much as Spock but when it comes to religion I defer to old Kris. It is as simple as this for moi. http://youtu.be/g2u_rEcWW8MAnd today it is all Paul Simon. http://youtu.be/nKxyoud_c-E
C H A M E L E O N As in Karma, That damn word cost me the sixth grade spelling bee. And back to yesterday I love science as much as Spock but when it comes to religion I defer to old Kris. It is as simple as this for moi. http://youtu.be/g2u_rEcWW8M And today it is all Paul Simon. http://youtu.be/nKxyoud_c-E Abbey Road nonetheless.
Too many energy drinks. I am out of here.
I'd rather slide down a slippery slope than try to climb up one........... I don't think that is profoung enough for this place, but it is all i've got today
Hiya Georgia Peach......Surev have missed you, get and stay well..... I insist!
PAOLOS: Ah !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THAT Recipe ... is what I call, "KNOTHEAD'S FAVORIT BREAD PUDDING" and it is a favorite of mine too ... tho' I usually make it for a Dessert or a Mid-Day Nosh, rather than an Entree ... and it really works Best with a Gentle but Flavorful, Medium Chill'd Rose' (Spanish Wine in particular) ... A Rose' can be tricky ... Red Wines should never be chill'd, and should be served at ambient Temperature(inside the house) but a Rose' is a Blend, and all one must take care for is the intensity of the Blush ... if it is bordering on, or well into, DARK the Tannin level of the Wine will be such that it reacts badly to the extreme cold, and the particulates in the Wine cause it to become grainy ... if the Blush is more like the cheeks of an embarassed, Ivory skin'd Twelve Year Old ... then you can take her safely down to about Forty-Two Degrees ... And such a Reward awaits one there .......
Thank you George <you know how I worry>
Any dessert is that slippery slope that marks the end of yet another diet.
VERA.M...although I am a Decaden, I have no problems with Vegans! De gustibus non es disputandem (sp)! Each to his own taste and glad your health is so good.
ChefDeb---Omnivores-- let's have a good old fashioned Lucullan do!!
Here I is. Thank you for asking paolos...I've been reading up as they say, oh no -- god in heaven my newly adopted Sears repair man has been here since early afternoon and now he's pulling out the heavy artillery to fix our fridge. It sounds like a jack hammer, I'm not going in there to look, I'm hoping he won't stay for dinner or fall asleep watching the late news -- oh god the noise! And he forgot to turn the water off, need I say more. ....I sure got the junior grade bottom of the totem pole guy...holy poop. I'll be right back. I swore I was going to have today for myself and all that wishful thinking stuff.
OH Moose: he was a deposed leader anyway. Nobody liked him, not even his own people. He killed more than he could count. So now the deposed is deceased and YAY I say. It's about time....My heart only bleeds for those who deserve my pain. He didn't..... Ding dong the bastards gone.
VeraM: very nice name. We haven't met, I've been absent for a while. So howdy do. Now, are you kidding about George Washington, and babies delivered by c-section? You are, right?You just have a really really really dry/odd sense of humor, right? .......Because my mom gave birth to me straddling the line between Mexico and Arizona, it was just one of those crazy things - should I pack up and get myself down to Tijuana? or should I apply for Mexican citizenship in addition to, or should I fess up and tell the State Department I'm half and half? and risk losing my US citizenship? Who do I belong to? (With angst): Who am I? What good am I? Where am I? On a slippery slope, that's where...
PA4.... Not to worry, you belong and are most worthy North-sider!
We dropped a drone 'cos it was too difficult to drop a piano..........
And what a terrible waste of a piano! .......................And that wasn't true anyhow, I was born with both feet in Phoenix AZ (as were my mother's) in Good Samaritan Hospital, and my blood runs red white and blue. Most red I hope but that's going to take me in a direction I don't want to go. .... Nice to see you dear PeterLake. Kindred spirit that you are..............As for slippery slopes, that's something both you and I are going to have to stay clear of, this coming winter. Know what i mean? I know you do......
I'm a big believer in the talk turning to food................mmmmmmmmm............
I am also going to work very hard to get PARK
deported, yes I am...............I knew she was hiding something, I knew it......................
I'm going to make a delicious gravy for RY's chicken lips..................I'll make enough for everyone...............yee haw!
I'm a huge lover of hotdogs & corndogs................it puts me in mind of the Led Zeppelin "lemon song"....................when the mustard runs down my chin.................on the long, fair corndogs you can spell your name in mustard...................I'm a hotdogatarian......................
Sometime tomorrow Hazel should return. It will be just like old times, everyone home for the holidays, Welcome back, Miss Park, I hopes you're all better. Now if someone can just find Willie Trask. Hotdogatarian indeed!
I love the Predators but this was a good cool day to don my vintage Blackhawks Sweater and my red Hemingway Beret. Non standard office attire but as Einstein suspected it would be a sad situation if the wrapper were better than the meat wrapped inside it. That new show Homeland seems to have many slippery slopes.