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In Vice Presidential candidate Richard Nixon's famous Checker’s speech, delivered on this date in 1952, he took bathos to a new art form.

Answering to whether he took a bribe, he defended himself and attacked his enemies.

One of them was Adlai Stevenson, who Nixon claimed: 

“He's accused us, that have attempted to expose the Communists, of looking for Communists in the Bureau of Fisheries and Wildlife—I say that a man who says that isn't qualified to be President of the United States.”

Nixon was right.

Stevenson, who once called Nixon an intellectual pygmy, wasn’t "qualified"—he was an intellectual.

And he couldn't disguise it if he tried.

In “The Anti-Intellectual Presidency: The Decline of Presidential Rhetoric from George Washington to George W. Bush,” Elvin T. Lim maintains that rhetoric is how “presidents gain, maintain, or lose support of the public.”

Lim claims that the anti-intellectual presidency has grown because presidents and their advisors are preoccupied with persuasion.

And, presumably, bashing intellectuals is what gets them elected.

Even Thomas Jefferson, perhaps our smartest President, was not immune. The Federalists attacked his curiosity and active mind that would make him too "trivial and ridiculous for important affairs."

Ironically Eisenhower, running against Stevenson, was both intellectual and highly educated but he was afraid of being labeled as being “highbrow.”

Which is the reason that politicians, in general, hire writers who make them look less intellectual than they really are.

It’s easy work with some of our candidates.

During the 18th and 19th centuries, the State of the Union address aimed at the intellect of a college student.

Today, experts say it’s on an 8th grade level. Which may be shooting high.

Considering an astonishing number of adults read at or below the 4th grade level—making that group just shy of being functionally illiterate.

(That number has not changed much since 1992 when the percentage stood at 42 percent.)

Richard Hofstadter in his brilliant book, “Anti-Intellectualism in American Life,” uses this quote from a Yale orator in 1844 to say it's been around a while:

"The age of philosophy has passed...that of utility has commenced..."

Utility is important. If there's intellect behind it.

Politics may be dumbing down, but I still think enlightened dialogue is possible if politicians will make the attempt. 

Who knows? It may already be happening.

J. Peterman


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September 23, 2009 12:04 AM
Atticus_1 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Bert said...

OMG....If  John  Peterman  were  a  woman,  I  would  be  seriously  tempted  to  kiss  him  on  the  lips!   This  topic  pushes  ALL  of  my  buttons,  good  AND  bad.    IRONIC  MOMENT:  My  kid's  teacher  told  me  tonight  that  the  high  school  no  longer  takes  points  off  an  essay  assignment's  grade  for  using  the  word  "ain't."   Reason:  It's  in  the  dictionary.   Man,  if  I  could  cut  work  2morrow,  I  would  be  tempted  to  get  a  serious  3  day  drunk  started.....    THIS  IS  NOT  MY  LEGACY!!!!!

September 23, 2009 12:18 AM
39steps3 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Olivia said...

I tell my students that if they can't leave the street on the street, if they must say aint and must 'axe' questions rather than 'ask' them, they can look forward to a limited career with the credibility their speech will afford them in the generally educated environment of medicine...some of them believe me, and prosper. Some don't. They're the drones.

September 23, 2009 12:22 AM
Atticus_1 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Bert said...

I  remember  Cambodia.    The  Khmir  Rouge  ran  the  "killing  fields"  {hence  the  movie  of  the  same  name}.  Teachers  were  executed.  Even  those  who  wore  eyeglasses  were  executed,  they  must  have  ingested  evil  foreign  threatening  ideas.  Everyone  was  forced  to  "just"  be  rice  farmers  for  12  hours  a  day,  everyday...and  chant  political  slogans  with  enthusiasm.  Makes  my  skin  crawl  after  all  these   years.  A  perversion  of  the  search  for  knowledge.  Think  "1984"  by  George  Orwell.

September 23, 2009 12:23 AM
Atticus_1 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Bert said...

Olivia,  I  call  them  "androids."  Preprogrammed  to  perform  but  NOT  to  reason.

September 23, 2009 12:26 AM
293 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-5 rings90 said...

All news stories need to be written for the 6th grade reading level ~ also any word that has 2 or more syllables should be defined within the story. I find that to be a very sad commentary about today's world & even a worse state of affairs when you turn it around & realize that the people running the media think that most of their watching & listening public are actually uneducated past middle school. That's kind of Scary, yet it also explains why cable news channels are kicking network news channels butts in ratings..   
I would rather have an intellectual President you will never hear me say that GWB was an intellectual President ~ but he tried to surround himself with intellectuals while being President. That's kind of where it counts the most. The President to me is kind of a figure head, it's the people around him that are the influenced ones & bring the subjects up to him. Now an intellectual President would sourround himself with the same & not jsut take their word for it & look at everyside of the the problem befor emaking a decison & well DAMN the Lobbiests.... If the choice goes against them...  I'm still kind of wondering where that guy is?.... I don't think we've had one like that since Lincoln......  
Bert ~ let me know where to be to join you in that 3 day drunk....Going on a bender now seems like a great idea!!     

September 23, 2009 12:40 AM
Atticus_1 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Bert said...

I think the 80's "greed is good" coupled with an age of narcissism are big components. If you convince yourself that the world revolves around YOU, why waste your time searching out new information or bother to think at all? jmo.....

September 23, 2009 12:49 AM
Atticus_1 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Bert said...

Rings90: At 1st I was going to suggest here, but then I would place you at high-risk of opting out of being my virtual friend. With fatigue of a major trial nibbling away {sleep deprivation}, I get grouchy, defensive, judgmental,,,,and worse yet VULNERABLE. And god help me if I am EVER gonna open up my heart & soul again." "There is no crying in baseball" said Tom Hanks. The sister saying of that is "Suck it in, you did 18 hour days 6 days a week when you were half your age, so you can do it again" Gosh, anti-intellectual, wasn't that? Overcorrection (turtle vowing to forever keep emotional head in shell from now on) in the opposite direction, not good for me..... But wait for me, in several more decades I promise to try my best to make significant progress.....

September 23, 2009 1:16 AM
4224 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 RoadYacht said...

Whoa there boy,that dark roast earlier has confused your logic/talk centers. Now take some deep breaths, eat some dark chocolate,recite the names of the raindeer behind Rudolph, and start over.

September 23, 2009 1:20 AM
4224 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 RoadYacht said...

Bert~your daughter,if she is like most kids, will always copy what she sees you do when you least expect her to. Like when a 3year old learns a new swear word when you get cut off in traffic...  So speak clearly,think it through before you speak, and always listen to what she is saying, not merely the words she is using.  JMHO

September 23, 2009 4:09 AM
Atticus_1 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Bert said...

Thanks,  RoadYacht,  I  am  slap-happy  with  fatigue,  and  you  gave  me  the  needed  slap  .....for    One  more  day,  I  get  to  rest.   Be  safe,  my  friend,  glad  you  are  out  and  about.

September 23, 2009 5:37 AM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Julia Masi said...

Its frightening that so many people form their opinions of political candidates and world leadrrs from sound bites on tabloid t.v.and the talk show circuit.

September 23, 2009 6:18 AM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1 bebe said...

BERT- ain't life grand!?

September 23, 2009 6:45 AM
Atticus_1 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Bert said...

Rings90:   Congratulations,  you have  just  been  awarded  Bert's  "thumbs  up"  award.  Once  you  spoke  kindly  of  Abraham  Lincoln,   I  swallowed  the  whole  package  hook,  line,  and  sinker....
Road  Yacht:   I  have  resolved  to  pay  attention  to  the  fact  that  at  this  point  in  my  life  I  can no  longer  work  6  consecutive  days,  and  this  should  help....thanks  for  caring.  Today  we  bury  the  proverbial  hatchet....right  in  the  forehead  of  my  honorable  &  worthy  but  factually-challenged opponents.   Kick  me  real  hard  if  by  tonight  I  still  am  in meltdown  mode...

September 23, 2009 7:19 AM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1 bebe said...

Seriously BERT- fight the good fight today. Do men have a treat themselves mentality like many women do? After a particularly exhausting, trying, or crazy time you do something special for yourself- you treat yourself to make it all worthwhile. And then of course many women feel guilty about doing that. I feel less guilty w/ every birthday I celebrate. Do something for you!

September 23, 2009 7:44 AM
Atticus_1 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Bert said...

BEBE:   "All  rise  who  have  business  today, come  forward,  and  seek  justice....May  god  save  the  United  States,  and  our  honorable  courts"   {this  is  where  I  look away from  the  metaphorical  spotlight,  it's  not  about  me,  and  some  (not  you)  confuse  passion  for  weakness.  Thanks  so  much.  I have  a  video  link,  but  the  case  is  in progress....not  to  mention  the  extremely  graphic  nature  of  the  subject  matter  &  exhibits. Later  govern  yourself  accordingly.
{On  the  OTHER  hand,  when  we  kick  butz,   I  do  have  a  contraband  Cuban  cigar,  and  some  30 year  old

September 23, 2009 8:04 AM
1198 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Doc Nolan said...

Until I spent time in Southeast Asia, I thought 80 percent of the human race was rational and the other 20 percent were nuts.  After my year there, I reversed the percentages... Now, with some knowledge of behaviorial economics and neurology, I'm convinced life involves both reason and emotions --- BUT that it requires a lot of 'snap' to know what one really knows, when one's thoughts reflect thinking, to detect flaws in one's own logic, etc.  One legacy of meeting (and reading) Rabbi Sherwin Wine was that he emphasized the importance of reading folks one disagrees with, if only to clarify one's own thinking.... (Lest I be mistunderstood, I'm NOT talking about David Duke, or Anne Coulter... one has only a limited amount of time and one has to have SOME filters!).  Education involves (IMHO) a lot of absorption (of both data and 'structures'), and 'personalization'.  Going beyond the limitations of this posting, check out the concepts of 'implicit learning' and 'explicit learning'.  After all is said and done, we all live in a murky world of swirling confusion, BUT, as the old saying goes, 'In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king!' 

September 23, 2009 8:08 AM
1198 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Doc Nolan said...

As for politics, the level of discourse leads me to think that democracy is doomed, if only because it equally weights all opinions.  I shudder to think what it would be like working in a company in which every important decision were put to a vote of all the employees...

September 23, 2009 8:09 AM
Poison_dart_frog_2 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1 Miss Blue said...

Intellectualism, anti-intellectualism…bahhh!

I’d settle for a little common sense.

September 23, 2009 8:14 AM
1521 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-5 Shandonista said...

Doc - I shudder with you.  Sometimes, our meetings at work are like that....I get so frustrated that everyone feels their opinion should be considered in how another person does their job.  If my boss is happy with me, that's what keeps me employed.
Bert - may I suggest a bubble bath?  Miles Davis, Kind of of nice pinot noir.  It's all good after that.

September 23, 2009 10:31 AM
293 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-5 rings90 said...

Miss Blue did you say Common Sense? Have you REALLY found some?...

September 23, 2009 10:33 AM
First-comHr-1 TimTam1958 said...

Thank you Mr. Peterman for such an engaging topic.  I voted for Jefferson in the poll, but now after giving it more thought, maybe Truman should have been the answer.  However, I'm sick of all the W bashing!  No one who graduated from Yale (never mind how he got into Yale) AND the B-school at Harvard, AND who's capable of flying a jet fighter airplane can be stupid like he's been accused of his whole life.

September 23, 2009 10:50 AM
4224 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 RoadYacht said...

Hummingbirds not only fly, but fly backwards.

September 23, 2009 10:53 AM
First-comHr-1 Bounty Hunter said...

One of the issues I have with intellectuals is their propensity to be self aggrandizing and excessively verbose.  I see it here in this forum where, sometimes, bombastic participants write endlessly, espousing their theories and opinions (dispite their flawed logic, vis a vis the recent Gender discussion), leaving little room for the rest of us non-intellectuals to pontificate on the meat of the matter.  But what do I know? 

September 23, 2009 11:04 AM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-5 Georgia said...

...that dumbing-down was the first mistake; it became a landslide we cannot stop. Quixotic, senseless efforts to make "...all men..." equal ignores facts, history, common sense, instinct. And to what end? Results to date frighten, no: they terrify, for in the near future we may find ourselves, our country in the hands of those ill-equipped for the task. Recent years have seen -- slivered in between and among terrible choices -- few genuine statesmen such as Adlai Stevenson, the last such in my book. Taking it down another notch, eight years is too long to say to the world, "Enough of us thought he is capable, why, we just went ahead and voted for him." Our current president has grace and intellect, and we shall see what he does with it; rather, what he is allowed to do. He appears, to date, less a politician and more "statesman-material" than we've been embarrassed by recently: He is well-read in ways that matter; he makes complete sentences; he offers arguments cogently and well-supported.
Time will tell.

My husband, in retirement, is often sought as a substitute teacher (which he was not during his working years, but apparently any college grad will suffice in our public schools. Many would not believe what he brings home from, say, my HS alma mater, one of the country's first public schools, military since 300 years ago when it was founded, with a rich heritage, and a history of preparing students so well they walked right into the best colleges and universities. My classmates and I were the first girls to attend it, and that only our final two years, breaking the single-sex tradition. (I'm amused now by news reports on the subject of single-sex high schools, whose writers didn't bother to do their homework, so think it's a new idea.) We took seriously its heritage and that of the all-girls' high school we'd left: Entering that front door each morning, we were greeted by a much-larger-than-life statue of the goddess Minerva, a diving-off point from which we learned how to think, and went on from there. Minerva's not a bad way to start the day: She put us in the right mindset. When my husband corrects students who respond, "Don't tell me what to do: I got rights," I shiver. Not only because it wouldn't have crossed my mind to speak so to a teacher, but because of what it bespeaks what we're producing. Police at the entrance "wanding" students each morning is a far cry from Minerva. (My tax dollars....) And yet: Last week as a class exited, a young black girl left on his desk a note: "I'm not like the others. I realy (sic) want to learn."

I watched dumbing-down begin, then worsen as my own children went through school, and, recalling what school demanded of me at that age, knowing what they could and should be doing, I was stunned. Enriching, every way I could come up with, what was offered in school kept them sufficiently challenged that they stuck it out; without that, they'd have been so bored I feared they'd drop out. They survived, as they did college and grad school, but how many parents see the enormity of the problem and realize we're producing adults absent any frame of reference for the real world? Adults with a sense of entitlement; with little inspiration to soar, to serve, to contribute to civilization?

Wide is the chasm, often, between politician and intellectual, certainly not in every case, but we must keep in mind, "These people will be running the country." Adlai Stevenson is a fine example, thank you Mr. P., of owning requisite parts of each.

September 23, 2009 11:07 AM
3905 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1 cuukoo1 said...

morning eyes!
all things are balanced.  if'n all things were equal, why would the sheep need the sheepdogs, and the wolfs need sheep?
just pondering.....

September 23, 2009 11:39 AM
4224 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 RoadYacht said...

wisely, the Lord made food for every bird, but does not throw it into the nest

September 23, 2009 11:43 AM
4224 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 RoadYacht said...

and yet again, one of my favorite observations: there was genius before the spoken and written word; that is how and why we have these abilities.   And every day you get a little older,or a little older AND a little smarter, it is your choice...

September 23, 2009 12:03 PM
4220 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Daniel Zev said...

Miss Blue, Julia, RY, Bert, Doc, et. al. ~ I completely agree with all of you. With my city hosting the G-20 this year, and the start of it just hours away, I fear that the intelligence, common sense, and sanity levels of both the Police (which includes the Secret Service, National Guard, Navy, Coast Guard, Army, FBI, CIA, INTERPOL, etc) and the 40,000-60,000 Protestors is about to fly out the window.
I hope and pray my city makes it through without damage.
But I wouldn't bet on it.
You know what they say about mob mentality.

September 23, 2009 12:12 PM
4494 10photoviewsCom-100First-comFirst-photo Kim said...

I heard part of Fresh Air yesterday.  The interviewee was a speech writer for George W. 
Scary.  I don't know if it was on that program or listening to NPR something else but, someone stated that news releases were basically propoganda as they are produced by an entity, (business, politcian, non -profit etc.) and then our wonderfull newspapers, radio etc mostly print them as is.  How much investigative journalism is done today?  Hardly any.
My Father in law was a PR man.  He taught my ex-husband that honesty didn't matter.  My ex-husband (a glass blower at the time) wrote a review of his own show at a gallery as if he was an art critic.  And gave himself rave reviews.  He didn't see what was wrong with that.
I live in California.  Our public schools used to be one of the best.  Since prop 13 they went down hill and our govenor is doing the best he can to destroy them. 
No  one seems to think about our future leaders.  How can we expect greatness in the future if we can't educate our kids?  Who is going to fight the people with really dangerous ideas if they can't understand and analyze information.
Adlai Stevenson was a family hero.  I was in the country at a friends house when I was 8 or 9  and we were skinny dipping in the creek.  My friends mother brought him to the creek to see how cute we were..........I was absolutely mortified.  I have no memory of knowing that he was at the house or anything else.

September 23, 2009 1:54 PM
10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Peter Lake said...

Baking a Leader....... 

Let's start with a rather large mixing bowl so that none of the ingredients splash out.


For this recipe we shall only use certified organic ingredients and they consist of the


(1) cup of intelligence
(1) cup of common sense
(1) cup of honor/integrity/honesty
(1) cup of inspirational leadership
(1) clear conscience
(1) tbsp. of open mindedness
(1) tbsp. of courage of conviction
(1) tbsp. of charisma

Add in as needed - clear vision, focus, passion, compassion, empathy, flexible communication skills, and healthy sense of humor, self-confidence and humility.


And a pinch of sea salt........


Mix thoroughly and then bake at 400 degrees until a worthy leader emerges. Allow to cool at room temperature before inserting into leadership role.

more on the honor roll
September 23, 2009 2:00 PM
First-comHr-1 ijames said...

The lobbyists seem to run the country: what is their average education level?   Hopefully more than the sixth grade.   I suppose we could hire our brilliant ninth graders to advise the President.

September 23, 2009 2:27 PM
Atticus_1 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Bert said...

Georgia:  5   stars!
Kim:  Same  4  U!
Everybody  else:  Deal  with  it.    lol

September 23, 2009 3:43 PM
4224 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 RoadYacht said...

P.L....I THINK YOU FOUND THE ANSWER! Most of our politicians are only half baked.Sadly. "Back to the oven" is not something that equates to the above receipe.   And just because the service is Silver,as we all have experienced, the baked goods may still be half baked, or,over cooked,and even spoiled.     Now I'm hungry. Tea in the Reading Car,anyone?

September 23, 2009 3:52 PM
4162 10photoviewsCom-100First-comFirst-photoHr-1 Cyndy said...

Georgia and Kim, I agree with both of you wholeheartedly.  You've said it all so well.   The school administrators in my small town seem to be more interested in getting the funds to build more school buildings (although they can't fill the current ones) than in providing a good, well-rounded education.  In the meantime, they have dropped many art and music (unnecessary) classes.  And my 10th grader grandson doesn't know who Clarence Thomas is, although I guess I should be happy he knows Washington was the first President, since I heard the results of a poll in which only 23% of high school seniors knew it. And does anybody else have a problem with the grammar and spelling on local newscasts?

September 23, 2009 4:07 PM
1-dscn1106-4 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 PARK4 said...

RY and PI:  Maybe the oven isn't hot enough?  Or it's not working properly.  When the cake doesn't turn out quite right, time and time over, it's a good thing to take the oven temperature, regardless of what you set it at.  Often it's too hot or not hot enough to properly bake the cake.
And I have no idea where I meant to take that analogy.
None whatsoever.

September 23, 2009 4:10 PM
Me_and_dave 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Andy said...

The school administrators are more interested in funding, test scores (and will lower the bar so that the test scores reflect more passing grades) and days off than they are teaching our children.  Some of them don't even like kids.  When our children were in school, I wrote to the Board of Education and told them that two of my four children could have been put in a room with books and learned more at a faster rate than they did in school.  One of the other two was allowed to charm her way through and the last one was made to feel inferior. 
The smartest president---a contradiction in terms.
And yes, ijames, lobbyists are running our country; how very sad since I don't recall voting for a lobbyist.

September 23, 2009 4:11 PM
4494 10photoviewsCom-100First-comFirst-photo Kim said...

My son used the think that math was the most creaative subject. He loved it.  He hit high school and had an AP class that was taught by a teacher who knew less than he did.  She killed it for him.  He hated high school and was bored to tears.  In my frustration of the swings from A's to F's they asked me what his interests were.  I said he was interested in graphic design and music.  the answer was ,"Oh we don't deal well with creative children here."  The whole emphasis in that high school was ..getting kids to the good colleges.  They had to do sports alll year long, volunteer up the wazoo and have 4.5 gpa's.  Misfits, forget about them.  Luckily he did get into the perfect school for him, Rhode island School of Design, and he found himself. 
High school was a scary time of self destructive behavior...finding razor blades by the tub etc.
High school should be for developing and nuturing the person that is instead of tryinng to  put them in some kind of mold that has nothing to do with reality at all.  Education is the most important tool in society and in education I mean the arts also.
ok I will get off my soap box and get back to work.  Good think I', the boss and can get away with this. 
Thanks, Bert.

September 23, 2009 4:13 PM
10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Peter Lake said...

PARK4 - It's your analogy so you may make it mean whatever your heart desires.  Meanwhile, I will get a new oven thermometerand calibrate it before the next election.  Now I'm worried about the adverse affect of altitude......... will it rise to the occasion???

September 23, 2009 4:14 PM
10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Peter Lake said...

Georgia and Kim - Very well stated indeed!

September 23, 2009 5:05 PM
3905 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1 cuukoo1 said...

speaking of politicians dumbing down,,,,,who's the cook/voter that's not maintaining/educating the oven the cake/politician is baked this cooks/voters book, the receipe/politician is read by me, the thermostat/politician set by me, ingredients/politicians acquired by me, so its my responsibility if the cake/politician is gooey/greedy, underbaked/egotistical, falls/immoral, etc.....i should become a better cook/voter.  talk highbrow to me baby!  i'll decipher.

September 23, 2009 5:07 PM
1198 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Doc Nolan said...

Kim and Georgia:  Your comments only make me incredibly grateful that my grandsons live in Tokyo... in many ways Japan is living in the 1950s, but in some ways that's not a bad thing.  As some here know, my own background is very ecclectic (bizarre?) but with family in Spain, Japan, and the States -- and with my son trilingual -- it's comforting to know that if one nation goes 'down the tubes' my family has the ability to move on.... (I guess I'm not very loyal, but then again, I moved from Connecticut to Texas years ago, and it never bothered me that I had to change.... adapt or die).  If any of you -- or your kids -- has ever thought of wandering around the world and perhaps settling somewhere else, go for it....  If you don't like where you end up you can always pick up again and start a third, or a fourth, or a fifth life :-)

September 23, 2009 5:37 PM
1-dscn1106-4 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 PARK4 said...

You tell 'em cuukoo! 
And PL:  I never figured in altitude.  That explains it.  Thank god for Sara Lee.

September 23, 2009 6:35 PM
1014 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 karma swim swami said...


I am glad you brought up the Khmer Rouge and its hatred of anyone remotely suspected of being part of an intelligentsia. By coincidence, I watched last night on DVD the documentary "S21," about the Khmer Rouge's systematic violence and killing. Excellent film about a horrible subject (the worst per capita genocide inhuman history).

September 23, 2009 6:37 PM
1014 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 karma swim swami said...

In our time, I think we may have seen the juxtaposition of the most and least intellectual of American presidents: Clinton and W.

September 23, 2009 6:41 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-5 Georgia said...

Thanks for your kind words, Bert, Cyndy, PL, DocNolan. I love PL's recipe. Might we somehow (THE EYE can do anything) extrapolate it? Would be a beginning point....

A bit off-topic, but not entirely: DocNolan, my son teaches American Literature at a university in Kyoto, and loves everything, not least where their priorities are: They pour money into education and health care. It shows -- in how well-prepared are his students (he has a basis for comparison, for he taught at two universities in the US before a Fulbright took him to Japan). And in superb, inexpensive health care (he's a US citizen): He had testicular cancer (strikes young Caucasian males), so will forever need regular scans, MD visits, lab work, all quite expensive here when first it hit. He walks right into the doctor's office, no wait, no complexities. When he was home recently I asked what his scans cost, how they're handled (thinking of our horrid insurance quagmire). Had one just before he'd left Japan, and it cost him $6.50 out of pocket.

Are we fearful of learning something from other nations? His colleagues, many also ex-pat profs, hail from England, New Zealand, Canada, Australia; when he moans about what his parents go through here, at the hands of insurance companies and Medicare, they almost won't believe it, so accustomed are they to the myth that we have "the best of everything." That Japan consistently comes in #1 or #2 in longevity and health care says a little something.

September 23, 2009 7:03 PM
1198 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Doc Nolan said...

Thank you,Georgia... when I tell folks I know about Japanese health care, they sneer and think I'm lying... (that gets old fast).... Double amen to your comment: "Are we fearful of learning something from other nations?" I call living in the United States "living in the closet", because folks here are self-isolated from the big world outside their closet... I find that very sad... The fear of learning from others is directly linked to insecurity -- both in children and in nations.  I really think Americans are among the most fearful people in the world... Strange!

September 23, 2009 7:33 PM
800 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Michael said...

It was a sad day when it became an insult to call someone an "Intellectual".

September 23, 2009 8:01 PM
4220 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Daniel Zev said...

The irony of those that make fun of intellectuals and use the term as in insult is these same unenlightened individuals watch shows like "Big Bang Theory" and have their nerve to comment that 'the show is funny because the characters are so nerdy.' 

September 23, 2009 8:02 PM
10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Peter Lake said...

just my opinion but I imagine that most nations, entities are somewhat plaauged by a case of 'if its not invented here, how good can it be' I found it to be true in the corporate culture which is often but a reflection of the society it dwells in.

just for the record...... I have never been accused of being an intellectual!........ dammit!  But I have been called a real wise-ass.

Peace out

September 23, 2009 8:10 PM
4224 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 RoadYacht said...

Okay, Peter Lake, yer a inta lek shu al....nya na na na   na

September 23, 2009 8:28 PM
1-dscn1106-4 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 PARK4 said...

what RY said... (laughing)
I love teasing thesepia train inventor...

September 23, 2009 9:31 PM
004 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1 korthal said...

I spent the day with my family having a non-intellectual, fun day at Assateague State Park (photos posted).
We had soft shell crab sandwichs for lunch. Walked on the beach a little. Saw some of the ponies. Just a peacful beautiful beach day.
We finally stuffed ourselves with our lobsters. Yummy.
And for desert we'll be having CUUKOO'S cheesecake.
Mom is doing really well after her fall. Suprisingly little pain. We're all very happy about that.

September 23, 2009 9:34 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-5 Georgia said...

Anyone with the imagination to make, of a small drawing at the top of a long-ago Eye-essay, the lovely, magical, ever-expanding-and-expansive-in-only-the-best-ways sepiatrain is intellectual-plus-plus-plus. That he adds to it just the right thing or thought or magic at the perfect moment adds more plusses to PeterLake's unique intellect. He keeps us sane; gets us back on the train-track when we veer too far; shares his wisdom, sense of humor, good sense, and magic. Without which we'd be much the poorer.

Yet each day brings news of more creative classes cut from school curricula, despite studies that repeatedly prove youth who study and participate in the arts are better-all-'round students. That my city has a Fine Arts Magnet High School repeatedly honored nationally is the result of years of untiring work: Davidson Fine Arts has a long waiting list despite its strict policies: Grades in academic courses go down, you don't perform (orchestra, dance, choral music, art...). Never a discipline problem: Students know others await space. But what of others -- Davidson can't hold them all. That a health and allied sciences magnet school and a traditional (read: old-fashioned) very strict one have waiting lists says some do seek better. They're not getting it at home, and school systems whose budgets are constantly cut can't offer "more." Many mark time 'til they hit 16 and drop out, or girls become pregnant and try to continue, with no husband. Schools must offer child care for teen-aged mother-STUDENTS (who receive more in welfare for each baby).

In the not-far-off future, someone will shake his head in wonder and ask, "Where are the PeterLakes?" They were crushed aborning.

September 23, 2009 9:38 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1 bebe said...

I have quite enjoyed reading everyone's posts today. BOUNTY HUNTER- your posts are very interesting & appreciated & I often feel as if I am not quite up to the task of the topic- sometimes I weigh in & other times I choose to be a bystander. GEORGIA- I read w/ sadness about your husband sustituting- it's a different world & being a teacher( albeit in a horrible district w/ an administration that makes my animals look like Rhodes Scholars) you do the best job you can, you hope you touch some lives in a great way, & you realize that the future of our country is in a bad way- BECAUSE THE EDUCATION SYSTEM IS SOOOOOOOOOOOO BROKEN.  Grades are worthless & this whole push that "everyone should go to college", is insane. That's part of the problem right there- people who have no business getting into college are & destroying everything everything they touch. I hope your husband can somehow reconnect w/ the girl who left the note on his desk- he opened up something in her & gave her hope. It broke my heart to read that.

September 23, 2009 9:39 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1 bebe said...

On a lighter note- SHANDONISTA- I first ran a bubblebath for my sweetheart about a year ago & I know he enjoys them. Great suggestion for BERT.

September 23, 2009 10:16 PM
First-comHr-1 anna k said...

Karma -- good juxtaposition of Bubba and Dubya, but I suspect that one reason Clinton was elected and re-elected was because he came across often enough as a Bubba. He was usually the smartest man in the room, and a total policy wonk, but his persona and weaknesses gave him a certain populist appeal, for all the wrong reasons.

September 23, 2009 10:19 PM
First-comHr-1 anna k said...

I just love it when my elected leaders and college basketball players can speak in unscripted grammatically correct complete sentences!

September 23, 2009 10:39 PM
First-comHr-1 anna k said...

One more thought, and it is that in the US there is an inverse relationship between years of formal education and annual income. Any recent PhD graduate stuck on the postdoc/adjunct treadmill will attest to that.

Note that Doug Prasher, a scientist who did the initial work on Green Fluorescent Protein that made possible subsequent Nobel-prize winning research, and who was publicly thanked by the winners, now makes his living driving a courtesy van.

September 23, 2009 10:41 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1 bebe said...

AANA K- agree wholeheartedly!

September 23, 2009 10:41 PM
10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Peter Lake said...

I are not an intellectuuuuual...... I ain't, I ain't and I ain't and yous can't make me!!! TheSepia train was naught but a typo that I've been disguising ever since...... "but I'll sure be riding the rails on it tonight" he says as he twirls his finger in the air announcing drinks are on the house in the club car.  tonight  Peace out and keep hope alive.....

September 23, 2009 10:47 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1 bebe said...

ANNA K -sorry I botched your name! PL- If it wasn't time to slather on the anti aging cream I would be the first in line for one of your cocktails. Goodnight...

September 23, 2009 10:57 PM
10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Stoney said...


karma swim swami,

"In our time, I think we may have seen the juxtaposition of the most and least intellectual of American presidents: Clinton and W."

If you are right and I'm not saying that you are, you have made a pretty good argument for the avoidance of both extremes.

September 23, 2009 11:24 PM
39steps3 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Olivia said...

I know Bill Clinton, and he is a decent person. Not a perfect person, like those of us who would judge him, but a decent one. Like all of us, he screws up too, but he screws up in his private life, and did/does his public job in such a way that historians are already calling him one of the best presidents of the 20th century. I'll take that over a president whose private life seems ok but does his job so poorly that he nearly destroys the fundament of the country.
Like Jimmy Carter, Bill has done much good since he left office, and has created a legacy that will last, and will help many for a long time. Now, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, the Bushes did...something too after they left office, I think...something...lotta's just not coming.
Politicians always bloviate grandly about education, how important it is (behind their hand: for the elite) while undercutting our public education system and allowing it to deteriorate. Once the envy of the world, now it's a cruel joke. Our 'leaders' know that an uneducated population is a gullible and easily fooled, easily herded population that can be manipulated freely and lied to with impunity.
They like it that way.
Polysyllabic discourse gets me hot...

September 23, 2009 11:53 PM
10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Stoney said...

Half a paragraph condescending to those who would judge, the other half, judging.


September 24, 2009 1:53 AM
4224 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 RoadYacht said...

Mississippi     mississippi   Mississippi   hydroelectric  Mississippi    (to help Olivia sleep)

September 24, 2009 8:05 AM
3905 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1 cuukoo1 said...

a salesman is an it that stinks Excuse


Me whether it's president of the you were say

or a jennelman name misder finger isn't

important whether it's millions of other punks

or just a handful absolutely doesn't

matter and whether it's in lonjewray


or shrouds in immaterial it stinks


a salesman is an it that stinks to please


but whether to please itself or someone else

makes no more difference than if it sells

hate condoms education snakeoil vac

uumcleaners terror strawberries democ

ra(caveat emptor)cy superfluous hair


or Think We've Met subhuman rights Before



September 24, 2009 9:46 AM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-5 Georgia said...

I voted for Bill Clinton, still think he has a fine brain, which, post-Presidency, he has used (and continues...) to better our world.

PL, forgive me if I failed to look up "intellectual" before applying it to you; I use it in (what I think is) its best sense -- one whose intellect is fine. It may have secondary meanings that don't apply atall atall. "Originality" and "unique turn of mind" I and others have said of you, hence sepiatrain. You invested a typo with qualities we liked, and we responded warmly.

Sroney, as ever, you make a valid point.

September 24, 2009 10:56 AM
10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Peter Lake said...

Georgia Peach.... in my eyes you could never do anything that requires forgiveness from anyone.  Peace out.

September 24, 2009 11:05 AM
10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Kindlee said...

You said, of your children's education: "Enriching, every way I could come up with, what was offered in school kept them sufficiently challenged that they stuck it out; without that, they'd have been so bored I feared they'd drop out."
Just recently I received this bit of sarcasm, in an email from my overseas exchange-student son, in his senior year: "Universities sure know how to motivate and challenge people that aren't in the bottom 5% of the IQ placement stats. Apparently some people find this stuff challenging? I'm pretty sure I would have gotten frustrated and dropped out of college by now if I had gone to school here since the beginning."
He has discovered that this problem of anti-intellectualism is not only found in the United States, but is prevalent in other parts of the world as well.
Our saving grace might just well be all our children who realize this is happening, find it frustrating and sickening, and who will be the ones to make a difference in the future.  

September 24, 2009 1:40 PM
First-com JAlex said...

Another view to take is not about the education of our leaders nor the current educational standards, but how we as a civilization are using the education that we have recieved.  Reading a book is starting to be one of those activities that our parents did.  Expressing our thought, emotions, and the details of our lives in a letter has been replaced by 144 charactor 'Tweets.'  Newspapers are failing all across the country as Television and the 30 second news bite has replaced indepth reporting.  Being anti-intellectual is not the problem. It is where we are. 

When I look at the choices in the political world, I ask myself, when did that person last read a book, any book?  Example, Sarah Pallin most likely never read a Conscience of a Conservative, but considers herself the heir to Mr. Goldwaters beliefs.   I shutter to think what awaits us when we all we have left are those that finished 4 years of Spring Break and think that they are done learning.

September 24, 2009 3:35 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-5 Georgia said...

Dear John and Pam, I love you for your innate goodness...And Pam, you are exactly right, and it'll be the salvation of our civilization.

Stealing from John,

Peace out

September 24, 2009 9:44 PM
4398 10photoviewsCom-100First-comFirst-photo Brigid said...

I think I need a ride on the sepiatrain!
Unblended Scotch neat, please!
I've thought public schools have been broken for a long time.......
Personally I think that "no child left behind" is an attempt of gonvernment
to get out of the business of education. Our Founding Fathers considered
an educated populace vital for democracy. That is why they instituted public education.
Learning to read is a saving grace, then you can learn anything that intrests you.
I studied the "Checkers" speech in was well done.
Ultimately Nixon lost his touch. I wonder how many presidents still write their
own speeches? I lament Lincoln's passing - I so love the "Gettysburg address"!
I know I'm rambling and a day late in my comments but I feel concern about
my bright and gifted grandchild's ultimate education. Have you seen the toys
that are considered educational? Light, bell, and whistles. I think that a short
attention span is likely to follow. I prefer open-air kindergartens. I think the
1st three years of life are where we need to focus as far intellectual development
is concerned.

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