Watch sky for strange object stltoday.com Take a look at an interesting article we found.
Foiling pirates from outer space mnn.com Take a look at an interesting article we found.
Origin of the Species, From an Alien View nytimes.com Take a look at an interesting article we found.
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January 15, 2010
It’s 2095.
Or even 2010.
This is not, I repeat, a science fiction movie.
A spacecraft is hovering near Yankee Stadium, in the middle of the Red Sox series, and they don't even have tickets. Or, less important, a visa.
The fundamental rights of life and liberty in the U.S. are granted under Constitutional provisions.
The most important question, then, is whether the extraterrestrial
visitor would qualify as a person or merely as an animal under our laws.
Andrew G. Haley, general counsel of the American Rocket Society, was the world's first space lawyer.
When the Society held its eleventh annual meeting in 1956, Mr. Haley delivered an address on "The Present Day Developments in Space Law.”
Turned out there were practically none.
It was the beginnings of “Metalaw," a word he coined, from the Greek, “meta,” meaning beyond our present frame of reference.
Haley had some complicated premise of reversing the Golden Rule and advocating that we treat ETs as they want to be treated.
Since if, “We apply the rules of man to outer space with our own earthly standards, we will be imposing our own beliefs on people that may be superior to us.”
In other words, treat them nice. Since if they got here, they're capable of anything.
(No doubt, they have some "Metalaws" for us too.)
Along comes Robert A. Freitas Jr., author of "Xenology," to take what Haley started and pose the question:
“When an alien lands on the White House lawn, who should greet him, her or it? Someone from the Immigration and Naturalization Service, or someone from the Fish and Wildlife Commission?”
It depends, I guess, what they’re made of.
The new term is ETI for Extraterrestrial Intelligence.
Dr. Ernst Fasan, an Austrian jurist enters the picture in 1970, with the first full-length book on the subject: "Relations with Alien Intelligences."
You know he's serious since he ties it in with Kant's Categorical Imperative, and makes basic assumptions about the character of the extraterrestrial creature —alive, three-dimensional and possessing a “will to live.”
He came up with 11 Rules of Metalaw—the first six alone could get the burgeoning field of space law off the ground:
No partner of Metalaw may demand an impossibility.
We need another space lawyer to interpret this one.
No rule of Metalaw must be complied with when compliance would result in the practical suicide of the obligated race.
As opposed to impractical?
All intelligent races of the universe have in principle equal rights and values.
Who determines intelligence?
Every partner of Metalaw has the right of self-determination.
Depends on what they want to determine.
Any act which causes harm to another race must be avoided.
Especially if it's us.
Every race is entitled to its own living space.
Should we clear out the local Holiday Inn?
Unfortunately, Freitas deplores that these "fine metalegal concepts have not found their way into American law."
So the question becomes, what will our present legal system do when the day of reckoning comes?
(And, in case, it is here already, I can understand why ETIs haven't come forward as they aren't protected under the law.)
At the very least, we'll have another group of lawyers to hate.
Xenology Home Page xenology.info Take a look at an interesting article we found.
Are Aliens Out There? Left- and Right-Handed Molecules May Hold the Answer popsci.com Take a look at an interesting article we found.
Metalaw and Interstellar Relations rfreitas.com Take a look at an interesting article we found.
Whoops! How did these meta-beings slip through our meta-borders? Where was ICE in all...
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WAIT A MINIT...ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY THAT THE VISITORS FROM SPACE WANT TO OFFER US 22PIECES OF WAM-PUM FOR AMERICA?!?... Who gets it? Tzar of trinkits?... ... Space Commander?... ...Toastmaster General?
RY- what a delight to wake up to you!
Will the children of ETI's be covered under the new healthcare system? If they arrive with a passport, will they be eligible for Medicaid?
I can just imagine it now.....Mr. Spock, Attorney @ Law.
This could be the birth of a new civil rights movement.
From yesterday's topic: George Clooney, favorite son of Maysville, Kentucky, has announced that he will host a fundraiser on 22 January 2010 on MTV and sister television networks. This is your chance to watch some real talent, and create a tax deduction for 2010. You may remember the great job did right after the September 11th World Trade Center and related attacks. Now back to topic.....
Bert~ I guess opposing counsel would be Klingons? Or Romulans perhaps?
What about laws governing the undead? I think Zombies are entitled to just as much legal protection as Aliens.
Metalaw may or may not be our unilateral decision to legislate or litigate. As to all events in the universe and here on earth, I am reminded of Kerouac's remark from The Dharma Bums, "Pain or love or danger makes you feel real again." Then I consider Einstein's thought that reality is itself an illusion albeit a persistent one. So what happens in the here and now or in the there and then, whether real or speculation may be a persistent illusion awash with pain and danger but always an opportunity to love and that is real freedom- the personal decision to love freely.
I imagine, we will be cited and ticketed for all of the space junk we've left out there.
Ok, just a thought here...shouldn't we hammer down International Law before we take on Universal Law?
klaatu barada nikto
Law Schmaw. The only laws that matter are those that restrain the government. Not this silly proscriptive stuff that gets ignored the moment somebody discovers a valuable mineral under a defenseless, eco-sensitive tree-dwelling culture of blue people.
Happy Birthday to my delightfully SIX YEAR OLD daughter, Audzilla.
Daniel Zev, Bravo on Zombies. As former humans they have a county of origin so they are for sure covered though difficult to slow down and id, I think.
Jonathan Isles: Now We Are Six! Hope it is a great year.
JOHNATHAN:
Happy 6th Birthday wishes to AUDZILLA.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYJCy5hlfcA&feature=related
Whoops! How did these meta-beings slip through our meta-borders? Where was ICE in all this? Are they friendly? Do they bring (lots) of money and/or eye-popping technology? Enquiring minds want to know. HOWEVER...Boundaries and borders have always been an issue in inter-anything politics. Where does a cop's cross-county line 'hot pursuit' end? How far into the river does the state's boundary extend? Where does international water begin? And, most importantly, what are the proposed penalties for violating 'my space?' How do we enforce these meta-laws? Fasan's First Law, "No partner of Metalaw may demand an impossibility," seems to have been taken from Bouvier's Law Dictionary. The maxim, "A l'impossible nul n'est tenu. (No one is bound to do what is impossible)" has long been a tenet of contract law. (I am NOT an attorney, by the way. Just a simple potter.) But, think of this. Just 100 years ago, it was completely unthinkable to send pictures and voices through the air. It was impossible. Only a century ago, so many things we now take for granted were not even imagined. Now, if another society of beings shows up here in a ship, the range of what is possible and impossible has just significantly narrowed. As for where those boundaries begin and end, who now makes those determinations?
more on the honor rollROADYACHT: The Toastmaster General was Georgie Jessel ... begining in 1937 .......
Happy Birthday, Audzilla Isles!!!
After reading this I know have this cartoon episode running through my head http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_BNdBFMXe0 ; Mo-Ron one of the best characters ever done for animation, besides Marvin the Martian of course...
HAPPY BIRTHDAY Audzilla!!!!
The first question to be asked is "Why did they come here?"
Cyndy: They came for our cheese.
PROTECT THE CAMEMBERT!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy2w0GJDfLs ;
ahdee, ahdee, ahdee,.......... that's all folks..........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy2w0GJDfLs
Thank you, Michael. If that's the case, maybe we could just give them the moon!
Y'all are forgetting that space touches everything,it does not stop at the sky,and pulling the covers firmly over your head protects you,from space at least...
Can I just answer 42 & always carry a towel?....
Micheal They can have the Camembert ~ Protect the 10 year old Wisconsin Cheddar....
I don't fear the strangers in the sky as much as I do the Morlocks hidden down below......
Peter, you have a point. After all, there are some who say the strangers from the sky are already walking among us! Rings90, you protect the Cheddar; I'll take the Jarlsburg . . .
Maybe we should just send Bugs as the ambassador...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acRzs0jf6E8
People of Earth . . . . don't say I didn't warn you...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3bI71P_8O8
must......hide.....the....havartiCyndy ~ It's a Deal.... Stoney I'm putting you on Colby Protection..
Perhaps if we give them all of the Velveeta and Cheez Whiz they'll simply clog up and try to escape?
Eww....the Morlocks are pretty creepy!
In our morning paper, the obituary of a seventy-two year-old man listed only his place and time of death, date and place of birth, parents and that he was a veteran of the U. S. Navy.
"There will be no formal services."
I don't like that and though it is absolutely none of my business, it is time to shake the information tree and fill in the blanks. Three score and twelve is too long to have left no tracks and I know people who know things... maybe this is just an excuse to talk to them again.
thr~
I wonder if you did not mean to say:
"Since this
is how it is in (the rest of) the animal kingdom as well,"
Willie Trask~
It was nice to see you weigh in yesterday and thank you for the kind words and thanks to Ivan as well.
Isles~
Happy birthday to a heretofore photographically established adorable child whose father ought really to take a moment to inform the village as to the origins of a name that at least one of us had not seen before. Are you taking pics... vids maybe?
I am enjoying, in honor of the occasion, a Lakefront Eye PA... really!
http://www.lakefrontbrewery.com/lakefront_ipa.html
Which should, on several levels, be the official beverage of the village not to mention thesepia train Club Car.
rings90~
Thanks, and though I wouldn't die to save Widmer's Brick, I would kill.
PETER LAKE: You give them Velveeta and/or Cheese Whiz, and they'll declare War !!!
A 5.6 Earthquake in Venezuela today .......
not to worry ....... no advanced life form can survive after being exposed to either Velveeta or Cheez Wiz.
Okay, give them the Cheez Wiz, the Velveeta and all the really stinky cheese.
Save the rest for us on the Sepiatrain to go with the great wine we have.
PETER LAKE: I believe you are right !!! The Lower Tract of Aliens is probably clogged by Processed Plastic just like most Humans .......
I think if we end up with an Alien Team of Lawyers, their Logo ahould be, "ALF" .......
I can just see one of their Commercials on TV ... The Tag Line would be borrowed from Chester ... "It Ain't Easy When You're Cheesey !"
Maybe we can lay in a few pounds of two year old Brie, and a case or ten of Pol Roger 1996 ... Churchill, if possible ....... (altho' the '88 is far superior) Buttery Melba Toast too ...
I feel as if my mind has been violated for reading this. My time is now lost forever in the cosmos and I "think" my IQ has dropped. Come on...give us something like "Why is dirt different colors?" or "Do animals have a better language system than humans?". This is just bad.
Robert: Thank you. As I'm the one who started the cheese log, I shall take that as a compliment.
Hmmm.... let me pull my old copy of 'Mars Attacks' and check with the ambassador to see what Martian law has to say on this topic... Oh, here's his 'official photo': http://lh5.ggpht.com/_1luLRXKoJM8/SnP0yKtlddI/AAAAAAAAZ2o/oFaVlLH7mhY/3MartianAmbassador.jpg
MICHAEL:
Did you say cheese log?
Bring one to the club car.
Korthal: If we all show up, there will be plenty of crackers and nuts.
Sun Ra said it best: Space is the Place!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6k4S3v21amc&feature=related
Poor Robert,
The Mind Rape swab kits are available in the unisex restroom although it is unclear whether unisex is actually on offer there.
John Peterman, good sport that he seems to be, will probably overlook the fact that you have gone ahead and scooped his polychromatic soil day planned for sometime in May.
In the meantime, you might consider instead of whining, talking about something else like the rest of us do.
The Cheshire Cat said some go this way and some go that way. Yep in my opinion it requires a very unusual mind to undertake the analysis of the obvious suggested Whitehead and I like my old Duster and everything else that JP has brought to the marketplace. The poet the artist or the sleuth should seek to sharpen the perception any and every which way and y'all are an eclectic bunch that can get their minds around a splinter or a plank. Salud!
ok,OK...here is how we tie it all together... ... Swiss cheese....it has holes...filled with....space...
The Hotel Oregon in McMinnville celebrates an annual UFO festival of Extraterrestrial Intelligence. It should be noted that these ETI's of UFOs have mostly been sighted from the rooftop...which also happens to be a bar. Order a couple IPAs and see who turns up. Cheers!
D**n STONEY, but that was very funny- the first genuine laugh I've had all day. It's been a non- laugher pretty much all day...
Thank you!
I second her motion..... after all, this is why its called Friday Lite
but speaking of linburger.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Y6YPjcQJ4g
Today has inspired me to forgo a regular meal and have, instead, a bit of Dubliner cheese, an apple, and a sip of pastis.
I'm pretending it's summer.
TODAY: I nominate Stoney for honor roll. DA DA! Favorite space dude: Uncle Martin from My Favorite Martian. Also that green guy from the Flintstones.
Stoney: If there is a topic that I don't care to see or read then that's my own opinion. I could care less who thinks what. If someone has an opinion that goes against the masses then more power to them for speaking up. No one wants to hear your or anyones pissy antics because you think someone else is wrong. It's my opinion.
Michael: I was directing my comments towards the topic of today. Your cheese idea was very good in getting many people on the wagon. And for that I salute you. I am personally fond of Gruyere...now I'm on the wagon too.
Robert:
If as you say:
"I am constantly evolving into something more than I was yesterday."
Then, I am happy not to have known you yesterday.
Try Midol.
BRAVO STONEY !!!!!!! Perhaps Roberta should put on her BIG Girl Panties, and just grow up ....... This Village thrives upon Controversy and the exchange, examination, and exhaustion of ideas and ideals ... but there do seem to be visitors that feel that it is OK for THEM to have and voice opinions, but not others ....... I guess every village must have it's Kindergarten ...
Fortunately, we have those days that a Villager ruminates and speaks about a thing that evokes awe or passion, affection or comfort, Beauty or any and all of the Good and Great Pleasures of life ... that each of us, regardless of his "Leanings" in any direction, on any subject, in any culture, share and enjoy, remember and be glad, be touched or maybe filled with ... and recount ... with Gut-Level appreciation, agreement, and Respect ... and no whiff of adversarial opportunity ....... Makes me forget those who are a monument to the foolish belief that Surgery solves everything .......
STONEY: Was she trying to say, Pissy ANECDOTES ??? [Just Curious]
Stoney and Jalopkin: Soccer or Cheerleading moms at their best.
Ah !!! A Snit !!! Guess there's no more wondering about THAT .......
Penn ... i've been in that place twice ... last time it was 107 degrees ... no self respecting alien would go out in weather like that ... well, MAYBE if it had some BLUE CLOTHES to cool itself off
mercy!