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“The function of education, therefore, is to teach one to think intensively and to think critically. But education which stops with efficiency may prove the greatest menace to society. The most dangerous criminal may be the man gifted with reason, but with no morals.” 
Martin Luther King, Jr., The Purpose of Education, 1964.

"A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death." 
Martin Luther King, Jr., Where Do We Go from Here: Chaos or Community?, 1967.

"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. Instead of diminishing evil, it multiplies it. Through violence you may murder the liar, but you cannot murder the lie, nor establish the truth. Through violence you may murder the hater, but you do not murder hate. In fact, violence merely increases hate. So it goes. Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars." 
Martin Luther King, Jr., Where Do We Go from Here: Chaos or Community?, 1967.

"When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, militarism and economic exploitation are incapable of being conquered." 
Martin Luther King, Jr., Why I Am Opposed to the War in Vietnam, 1967.

"I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: 'We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal.'… I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I have a dream today." 
Martin Luther King, Jr., I Have A Dream, 1963

Amen.

J. Peterman

 

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January 16, 2012 5:00 AM
Pecos_tommy 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Tommy Typical said...

Up and at 'em at 3:30 to catch a flight to Dallas but not before saying now that we have overcome the seemingly overt that we are all made from the same stuff. Now let us seek to become a spiritual family based in love. This is not a change of law but a change of heart. I try to live his dream and mine.

January 16, 2012 8:01 AM
10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Lynn830 said...

If there are true saints from the Twentieth Century, surely Martin Luther King, Jr. is one of them.  I was privileged to hear him speak twice.  The first was at the Civic Center in Lansing in 1958.  His uncle was the minister at a Baptist Church and MLK was invited to town.  The other was in 1962 when he spoke at Columbia University in New York City.  If we are truly to be Americans, then we must all be Americans, fully and completely.  He had the gift of pointing out the obvious truths.  We seem to be blessed as a nation with men of truth and honesty who appear at regular intervals to keep us on the path.  We need one now.  And it ain't any of the presidential contenders.  Or any other politician.  Any.

January 16, 2012 8:13 AM
Poison_dart_frog_2 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1 Miss Blue said...

The family and I are off to the local Unity Day Breakfast, sponsored by our NAACP chapter.


One of my daughter's best friends is a child of mixed race. Not so very long ago her parents would have risked arrest and prison for being of different races and being in love and married.


These kids both attend a private school that was originally founded so that local white kids would not have to sit in public school classrooms with black children.


I was recently accepted, to Norfolk State University, a historically African American University, to peruse a BSN. The original school of nursing there trained Black nurses to work in the Black segregated hospital down the street as Norfolk's hospitals were all segregated at the time.


The year of my birth, 1954, saw the U.S. Supreme Court's decision, Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka, Kansas, mandating the desegregation of public schools. Norfolk City public schools closed in response a few years later in protest.


We've come a long way, but the journey is just beginning.

January 16, 2012 8:45 AM
Me_and_dave 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Andy said...

I believe that Dr. Martin Luther King, had he lived, would have been our first African American president.....and rightully earned.  A true leader.
 
We need someone like that now.  Now with the world in such chaos, the economy a mess, our government not to be trusted.....we look around for someone to blame.  And who better to blame but the newcomers?  Sometimes people of color, sometimes not.  The people who, to our ears, cannot speak proper English, those that work at menial tasks to keep their families together, those that come here for a better life.......even as our ancestors did.
 
Dr. Martin Luther King showed us a path and somehow, along the way, we've lost.  We need a true leader now.  Someone to light that fire again.

January 16, 2012 9:12 AM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1 bebe said...

MISS BLUE....................congratulations! You will be an amazing nurse. I have no doubt that anything mediocre will get by on your watch!

January 16, 2012 9:30 AM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Julia Masi said...

Andy, I agree with you about MLK.  I think he would have made it into the White House in the mid '80's if he had lived.     

January 16, 2012 9:34 AM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Julia Masi said...

Martin Luther King's idea on education where wonderful. Too bad we don't look back on what he said to create a new model for the future of educaton.   The drop out rate is still too high and schools in poorest neigborhoods are still underfunded.    

January 16, 2012 9:34 AM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Julia Masi said...

I wonder what Martin Luther King would have said about Occupy Wall Street?

January 16, 2012 10:06 AM
10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Mooseloop said...

This man has been elevated to the level of saint, but was not...Not only did he plagiarize a good portion of his doctoral dissertation, but he was reported to be often involved in extramarital affairs. Since other public figures have been chastised for such conduct, it is only fair to have equal publicity for this figure who has had more publicity, more adulation, and more praise than any non-President in our time. It is odd how people are so willing to jump on the bandwagon to idolize this man, but so quick to castigate others of similar talents.

Allegations of adultery
Having concluded that King was dangerous due to communist infiltration, the FBI shifted to attempting to discredit King through revelations regarding his private life. FBI surveillance of King, some of it since made public, attempted to demonstrate that he also engaged in numerous extramarital affairs.[164] Lyndon Johnson once said that King was a "hypocritical preacher".[167] Ralph Abernathy, a close associate of King's, stated in his 1989 autobiography And the Walls Came Tumbling Down that King had a "weakness for women".[168] In a later interview, Abernathy said he only wrote the term "womanizing", did not specifically say King had extramarital sex and that the infidelities King had were emotional rather than sexual.[169] [170] King's biographer David Garrow wrote about a number of extramarital affairs, including one woman King saw almost daily. According to Garrow, "that relationship, rather than his marriage, increasingly became the emotional centerpiece of King's life, but it did not eliminate the incidental couplings...of King's travels." King explained his extramarital affairs as "a form of anxiety reduction." Garrow noted that King's promiscuity was the cause of "painful and overwhelming guilt".[171]
The FBI distributed reports regarding such affairs to the executive branch, friendly reporters, potential coalition partners and funding sources of the SCLC, and King's family.[172] The Bureau also sent anonymous letters to King threatening to reveal information if he did not cease his civil rights work.[173] One anonymous letter sent to King just before he received the Nobel Peace Prize read, in part, "The American public, the church organizations that have been helping—Protestants, Catholics and Jews will know you for what you are—an evil beast. So will others who have backed you. You are done. King, there is only one thing left for you to do. You know what it is. You have just 34 days in which to do (this exact number has been selected for a specific reason, it has definite practical significant [sic]). You are done. There is but one way out for you. You better take it before your filthy fraudulent self is bared to the nation."[174] King interpreted this as encouragement for him to commit suicide,[175] although William Sullivan, head of the Domestic Intelligence Division at the time, argued that it may have only been intended to "convince Dr. King to resign from the SCLC."[160] King refused to give in to the FBI's threats.[176] Judge John Lewis Smith, Jr. in 1977 ordered that all known copies of the recorded audiotapes and written transcripts resulting from the FBI's electronic surveillance of King between 1963 and 1968 to be held in the National Archives and sealed from public access until 2027.[177]
Across from the Lorraine Motel, next to the boarding house in which James Earl Ray was staying, was a fire station. Police officers were stationed in the fire station to keep King under surveillance.[178] Using papered-over windows with peepholes cut into them, the agents were watching the scene while Martin Luther King was shot.[179] Immediately following the shooting, officers rushed out of the station to the motel, and Marrell McCollough, an undercover police officer, was the first person to administer first aid to King.[180] The antagon

January 16, 2012 10:14 AM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 lotlot said...

What Martin Luther King Jr. taught me was to encourage all people.

Every way I can.

Every day I can.

January 16, 2012 10:15 AM
10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Mooseloop said...

I realize that this info is from a public site, Wikipedia, but is found in the biography and other sources as well. All in all, I do not say he was any worse, or any better than many other people, but I do not think it does America any good to overlook his shortcomings and idolize him. Bottom line, minority citizens have had equal rights now for years and years, and still have not availed themselves of OPPORTUNITY.

Yet, I have seen people from Afghanistan, India, Cambodia, Vietnam,Japan, Korea, China, and other points outside the USA come here and work hard, make strong efforts to get educated, climb the social ladder, and become successful. They availed themselves of opportunity and did not expect handouts. They have family pride in accomplishment, not in ways to manipulate the welfare system to get government handouts, as thousands of other do. In my mind, MLK, Jr. urged many people to expect compensation rather than to grasp an opportunity to advance their lot through their own efforts. I have no great affection for that idea.

January 16, 2012 11:08 AM
1521 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-5 Shandonista said...

If a person who does heroic or brave or socially beneficial things can be also said to have perfectly human traits like fear or self-doubt or lust, does that automatically negate their actions on behalf of millions of others?  Does that mean they are no longer great leaders worthy of our gratitude and respect?  Does that mean we do not praise their contributions to our society?  Does that mean we denigrate their memory because every single one of 'their people' did not march right out and fulfill their dream?  It that's the case, we should do away with any and all holidays commemorating any historical figure.  Burn the biographies, mint new coins, commission new statues, rename the streets.  Newt Gingrich Avenue, anyone? 

January 16, 2012 11:17 AM
10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1 spring rain said...

May I share a short story?I am a schoolteacher in a school that back in the day was the segregated high school.  It holds a place of love in the community.  The students that attend are the grandchildren and great grandchildren of the high school alumni. Our reading textbook includes a story that Dr. King's sister wrote.  We have the CD that has her read this story.   The story is about how the King children when they were very young.  She tells about how they played with white children who lived across the street.  She shares how her parents tried very hard to shield them from the hatred of racism in the South.  One day the white children told the King children they were no longer permitted to play with them because of their color.  The King children did not understand this.  They went to their mother, and she explained racism to them.  The author said that Dr. King then said, "Momma, one day I am going to turn this world upside down."  This gives me chills. So, when we see the video of Dr. King giving his speech on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial and he speaks of children of all colors playing together, he was not only speaking of his own children, but I am sure he was remembering the promise he made to his mother. Every year I cry when we read this story, because I am sitting in a classroom of African American children.  I cannot fathom how anyone could be unkind to sweet children.  It grieves me to know their own grandparents were treated so terribly.    I always hug them and tell them I am so sorry this had to happen.   I think about the school building, and the hundreds and hundreds of students who walked these halls years ago, and how they were treated badly just because of their skin color.  It's a terrible mark on America's history. And then, I think of Mr. Jefferson.  How could someone who owned hundereds of slaves pen the words, "All men are created equal" . 

January 16, 2012 11:18 AM
P1010179 10photoviewsCom-100First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewHr-1 S. A. J. Johnson said...

The most overt forms of institutional racism (fire hoses, blatant segregation, etc.) have gone, but the issue and problems stemming from our society's preoccupation with race are clearly not dead.  Yes, King may have improperly included the work of others in his Ph.D. dissertation (as independent research has demonstrated) and who knows about the adultery, but his contributions to American (and global) society are not based on his academic or marital status.  If you want somebody who was perfect, you'll have to look to fiction.  Even Jesus and Buddah, if you accept all of their fans' accounts, were not perfect.  His failings remind us that he was a human being, but they shouldn't detract from his accomplishments or legacy.

January 16, 2012 11:36 AM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1 bebe said...

JULIA.........................I will be honest w/ you..............our school is labeled as a poverty district. Yet we have more technology than an elite prep school. We don't have the time to use it & the IT people cannot keep up w/ it. WHERE is all the money coming from? We have free breakfast, free lunch, free after school tutoring, & social programs on top of social programs. Still, still we have soooooooooooo many kids behind.
 
After teaching for 23 years I can honestly say that you can throw all the money you want at schools & it will not change. That's because the fundamental foundation & core of a successful student is good PARENTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's the magic ingredient. It is politically incorrect to say that, but I witness it over & over until it has become like Groundhog Day to me. We are the ONLY profession forbidden to speak the truth. And the bitter truth is that good parenting, discipline, expectations of excellence, continuation of education at home; it's the motherlode, the key. Imagine a doctor who has done all the correct tests on an obese patint w/ all kinds of health problems & then tells them that if they don't lose a certain amount of weight they will die. I guarantee you that if the patient continues  to be abusive to their body & not follow the doctor's orders & dies, the doctor will most likely feel sadness, but the doctor can truly feel no guilt about the situation. YET, teachers are expected to bring a student who is often times the human equivalent of a feral animal due to just basically raising themself and we are to have test scores resembling the scores of students in elite school districts w/ excellent parent support/involvment. It's crazy & it is why teachers are dropping out at an alarming rate.
 
All I ask is, let's be honest about school success/ failure. With that I realize I left many stones unturned, but parental involvement is the structure of everything. I had the pleasure of spending my Saturday w/ a very young woman who is an elite Teach For America teacher at  my school and a supervisor of the other TFA teachers in our district & ( we did shopping/ eating therapy!) her attitude has done a 180' in 2 years. She sees that the lack of parent involvement is the nail in the coffin. The amount of time spent doing classrooom control because students are wild is tragic for any kind of learning. It'a a viscious cycle. She also told me that every TFA teacher had pretty much the same attitude. They thought they could come in & perform magic. Ain't no magic to take the place of hopefully two parents or one good parent. And babies having babies are killing this country.
 
SHANDONISTA................don't even try & horn in on my Newt brings sexy back fantasy...............bwaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahaha!

January 16, 2012 11:54 AM
Photo 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Peter Lake said...

If I, and others like me were drowning in a pit of despair, abuse and hatred ..........and a  man came along.... reached down....and did the best he could, in the times he lived in to pull us out, restore our hope that we not only could survive, but also thrive as equals amongst other men....... I would not question his personal flaws or his borrowed tools to accomplish that.

He had a dream that he shared with the world and it is still  relevant today.  He fought for it peacefully, but died for it violently.  

Are not all great dreams better than the dreamer.  If the world is waiting for a flawless man or woman to make positive change....... It just won't happen.

He accomplished things of heroic proportions.  Nuff said from this neck of the woods.

Peace out....

more on the honor roll
January 16, 2012 11:58 AM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Carol said...

Bebe---kudos, kiddo!!  Absolutely everything you said.  Thank you.

January 16, 2012 12:15 PM
Pecos_tommy 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Tommy Typical said...

My heroes aren't people but ideas. Truth prevails long after all of us are pushing up daisies in some old boneyard. It's going to get worse because information or misinformation is so plentiful that no one can fart or adjust their boxers without the whole world making a judgment. I do my own form of the line item veto. I got me a darn good public education and try to think for myself. Yep Tommy Boy and me were so thrilled with that D- that allowed us to graduate. Learning to love takes a lot of practice. I keep having to repeat Forgiveness 101 cause I am a lifelong learner.

January 16, 2012 12:22 PM
Paolo 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 paolos said...

Only the Maker of All Things can look into a man's
soul and write what is there.
There are those who speak of liberty and act to
enslave. 
There are those whose every action belies their
words. 
There are those who attempt to buy their way out of
guilt.
There are those whose shame is their motive
force.
Angels may err on occasion, devils may perform good
works.

We are all on a journey, if perfection is our
destination, we all have a long way to go.
Only the Maker of All Things can look into a man's
soul and write what is there.

January 16, 2012 12:25 PM
10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Rusty said...

If you can resist treating a rich friend better than a poor one,
If you can say honestly deep in your heart you have no prejusices agiance creed, color, religion, or politics
Then you, my friend, are almost as good as your dog.
 
This went the email rounds some time ago in a longer form.  I thought of it today because this is what Dr. King dreamed about, what he wanted to see for all people not just black people.  His personal life is not involved in this dream, and I like to think that all of us, imperfect as we are, can understand the difference.

January 16, 2012 12:54 PM
4244 Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 ChefDeb said...

The private lives of public figures are irrelevant to me. Their messages, their efforts, their results speak to me. Most of us here are old enough to realize how incredibly far we have come, at least legally and culturally in Dr. King's Dream. It is dismaying always to peel away layers to find the same old dark prejudices lurking. Living in a part of the world where everyone except locally born, or wealthy people or Portuguese people are pretty much detested across the board, it frequently gives me chills to hear what they have to say. Nonetheless, and in spite of the efforts of my immediate neighbor 1/2 mile away (Rhode Island) to NOT acknowledge Martin Luther King Day as a holiday, Dr. King continues to speak to all of us and in some cases actually get through.

January 16, 2012 1:02 PM
4244 Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 ChefDeb said...

BEBE...I always say you are a hero and today is no exception. Today you are an eloquent hero and have provided a clear and concise illustration of the situation in public education today. I don't think in any way it is just where you are, I think it is across the board. My own experience of hiring young people bears out exactly what you are talking about, in particular the lack of proper parental input or any, for that matter. There is much to repair and/or build. It is people like you who are in the trenches the rest of us need to be grateful to and who truly pursue The Dream. Thank you Bebe! xoxox

January 16, 2012 1:22 PM
P8041286 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300First-comFirst-photoHr-1 IvyGailWinds said...

Martin Luther King, was a great orator, got the message out; i remember listeining to my 45 records..and repeatedly listening.. to this 1956 sterophonics, double edge groove, records; he would often illustrate as an engineer, who served in combat; invented by Bill Mittenburg, President of RCA Victor, great friend of mine, with a glass of icetea reading and listening..on the downstair livingroom...  .floor with my albums that were cherished..singing away..leaving on a jet plane.. and studying the art design on the covers.....it was so 60's...listening to WAR... huh what isit good for,,,nothing baby!..yea..yea yea   .in the year 95 95....Jesus Christ superstar..which I saw in NewYorkcity..and Jethro Tull... .bows and flows of angel hair...beatletunes....Hey Jude...Martin Kings speech was also on a record..castles in the air...Mr. Tamborine...Rocket Man.....Kennedy being shot..was rehersed on the record..what twas that song...oK, anywho... A long time ago, i had an artist friend, who  a had facial disfigurement, and at the time, I a had just given birth to my first child,.age 22...... and most mothers realize that bearing children is risky,,,it can risk your life. You can possibly die....
  I visited the hospital and stayed for a snow ski injury when I was 6 y.o.a.; tonsils, german measles,,,which is a harbinger to diabetes, but i never got it...as of yet..i will try  keep good health...ankle cut from a rusty can...nothing like pulling oneself on the floor with a leg bandaged, unable to walk and 2 week recovery from surgery...and pull yourself together...and get right back on the slopes ...snow skiing...by the way i still did'nt ski yet...adjusting my right to exercise...my motivational attempts....  ..it would be nice, if we were all in sync...with our minds, thoughts and in the beat with each other...unfortunately ...in some cases:   ATTENTION: it is not like that....human beings are diverse......even at this age  at 22, and it does seem as though surgery was more so more risky...in this day..1982 I said to my friend, I like you the way you are...please do not get the surgery... cause i did not want that person to be further harmed...don't care about what others think and how the hurts of looks and comments hurt you...and somehow as... a person after alot of pains in life.lessons learned........you are  more tolerant about imperfections of the human being.. you not" that sassy," as you are as a misunderstood unknowing, or immature youth......because you learned even after birthing that.... your child, who is born with imperfections and you compromise..... I will accept and tell yourself..."I will CARE for this new baby...NO MATTER WHAT,,,NO MATTER WHAT STRUGGLE I HAVE TO ENDURE>>>>Yes , being an idealist... what a goal to try to obtain....for your "ideabag," that you carry around with you daily...  The artist, took the dive and got the surgery; it made his look more normal, but it is what made him more comfortable.... I change myself too. or i decide never to cut my hair or wear makeup..ditto...or if i put thick heavy blue upper lid shadow on ;;; I'm doing it .....it is ongoing with all of us..our preceptions differ so much...! Humanity has been plagued by the question as to what we call ourselves... I say, it is pretty basic our appearance is determined geographically and with physical differences caused by how long our ancestors lived close to or far away fron the equator and for environmental reasons .Color-coding: red,yellow, white, black, for nomenclature of people should be redefined in the Chicago University Press manual for word usage, colors should not equal a persons descent. we could go into it:  that white people do not exist because they have blatchy pink and pokedots skin marks; skin..is skin deep..and so on and so on....all native americans are red...ooerie..is this wrong...and Black means bad. but black and white dress is so modern to wear.....white means no color lacking in  character; bland...we can misrepresent each other, too, yellow people are from southjapan, they are actually darker complexion because of the closeness to the sun; meanwhile these ideas are OUTDATED>>>>.Old Hat!!!
i do not like staring and hoping at statues...that is just freaky and a waste of time..  ."Skin heritage," very much so misinterpreted...Use deductive logic and you find society has gone eschewed ......and uses an esoteric purposes for the naming of the human being...! Peace out...;yea yea yea... hope i said this right...yeks..  :-) trying to sayit correct...helpme....

January 16, 2012 2:16 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 hazel leese said...

You are doing OK Sea Island Lady~ you just say what you need to say.
I remember seeing the "I have a dream" speech on our fuzzy black&white TV. It was only a couple of years after my family had returned to the UK after living in Africa for 12 years. I really don't care about his private life and if he didn't have the nowse to paraphrase 'borrowed' text.

January 16, 2012 2:24 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 hazel leese said...

Bebe~ Good on you!
Blue~ You too!

January 16, 2012 2:36 PM
4188 10photoviewsCom-100First-comFirst-photo Penelopetx said...

Dr. King's dream was for all people to be judged by their character and not the color of their skin.
 
With that said, we should all be unhyphenated Americans.  Civil Rights to me means civility to everyone, I have the same rights as anyone else, no more, no less.  No special treatment for the rich, the poor, the single, the married, etc.
 
Bebe, it is a shame that more parents are not involved with their children throughout their lives, not just through their education.  Children don't ask to be born, they just need to be loved. 
 
As a single mom of two boys, I was involved with them in everything they did.  I went camping, I went rollerblading (OUCH!), I helped with homework, projects, etc.  I hope I was a good example to them to become a good example for their children.   By my working hard, I hope taught them that if they work hard, they can make their dreams come true, not by a government program.  Their welfare is my responsibility and now, it is their own.  That is my dream for my children, to be self-reliant, to be kind, to be generous, thoughtful and to judge others by the content of their character.

January 16, 2012 2:52 PM
1521 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-5 Shandonista said...

Bebe -  Sorry, but Newt and sexy in the same sentence just made me throw up in my mouth a little......

January 16, 2012 3:03 PM
Img00274-20110613-1309 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-5 l marjorie said...

Wonderful postings today.  There are so many problems in our world. The only thing that gives me hope is that I think every generation looks at what is happening to the world around them and figures all is lost, but somehow we all manage to keep on keeping on.  Anyone else watching Downton Abbey on PBS? Imagine how awful things were during WWI and how the world changed during that time. 
If we could eliminate war, that would be a good thing. If we could somehow figure how to educate the young, that would be a good thing, if we could figure out how to feed ourselves with real, nutritious food instead of refined junk, that would be a good thing.  Every time someone comes up with a good idea, it is taken down by someone else who either has another agenda, or has tried that idea and it failed for some reason.  There are no easy answers.  I guess we all just try to keep on keeping on.  That and if we try to live by the golden rule, I think that is a civilized approach.  At least that's my strategy.
 

January 16, 2012 3:06 PM
Photo 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Peter Lake said...

Bebes, very well said, I wish it wasn't so, but as my dear old' Mom used to say....wish I one hand and s$;? In the other and see which one gets filled first.

I admire you for caring and fighting the dragons that are born out of lack of common sense, lack of committment to the welfare and potential of the children by their parents, and sticking with a plan that does not work just for the sake of the plan.

If I could, I'd buy you a hot dog with the works and whatever other treat you would like.

January 16, 2012 3:15 PM
4188 10photoviewsCom-100First-comFirst-photo Penelopetx said...

I marjorie - I LOVE Downton Abby.  I have hooked my parental units on it as well.....  :)
 
The Golden Rule is a principle recognized in ALL religions and I daresay, societies.

January 16, 2012 3:18 PM
4188 10photoviewsCom-100First-comFirst-photo Penelopetx said...

"I don't care if you're black, white, straight, bisexual, gay, lesbian, short, tall, fat, skinny, rich or poor. If you're nice to me, I'll be nice to you. Simple as that."
                                                                                             - Eminem

January 16, 2012 3:30 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 hazel leese said...

So, Penelopetx~ what do you do with a crying screaming angry kid/adult that fits any of the above? They won't be nice, will probably be smelly and it doesn't matter who is to blame, they need help NOW.

January 16, 2012 3:35 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 hazel leese said...

It's nearly 8.30pm here and I'm taking my scruffy duvet and my mug of soup outdoors to stargaze. It's crystal clear tonight. The binoculars have been outside for hours so they don't get fogged up.

January 16, 2012 3:36 PM
Img00274-20110613-1309 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-5 l marjorie said...

Oh Hazel, isn't that the $64,000 question?  I wish I knew.

January 16, 2012 3:39 PM
Img00274-20110613-1309 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-5 l marjorie said...

Speaking of crying and screaming adults and children, can you believe that cruise ship sinking off the coast of Italy?  Shades of Titantic all over again. I think heads are going to roll.  There are still people missing.  Very scary.

January 16, 2012 3:49 PM
4188 10photoviewsCom-100First-comFirst-photo Penelopetx said...

I marjorie - you said a mouthful.  I wish I knew, too. 
 
Too many starfish on the beach............ we can only keep trying.

January 16, 2012 4:59 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 hazel leese said...

Wow! It's cold out there! Heads will roll and it won't make anything better. It seems my son's racing yacht has a better navigational system - he sent me a pic clearly showing the rocks involved. Another crowd of screaming, frightened people. Those silly 'What to do in an emergency' mimes with some grinning flight attendant/ferry boat person - Heaven preserve us.

January 16, 2012 5:08 PM
10photoviewsCom-100Com-300First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-5 rwh1 said...

We still have a problem in this country with the things that Dr. King fought. Not as bad as before he brought focus and attention to them and tried to solve them in a peaceful and positive manner.He deserves to to honered and aknowledged. If all our national leaders were held to the same standard as some are trying to hold King we would have a lot fewer buildings,bridges, government buildings  and  airports named for for them.

January 16, 2012 6:34 PM
1014 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 karma swim swami said...

On today's topic, I declare total common cause with Mooseloop.

The Italian cruise ship did more of a Valdez than a Titanic. No icebergs, and its cap'n was blotto just like Joseph Hazelwood.

Miss Blue, just keep your eyes wide open. The average length of time that an American nurse remains in nursing is five years. It's got little to do with them, and everything to do with American patients and their utterly unrealistic expectations, and malevolent hospital administrations. The system bleeds its workers white. If you think I am invoking hyperbole, well, I'm not.

Relative dearth of posts noted.

January 16, 2012 6:45 PM
Pecos_tommy 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Tommy Typical said...

We never know quite how we got here; why we look the way we do & think our particular thinks and why now? It's indeed a barrel roll.

January 16, 2012 8:20 PM
Photo 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Peter Lake said...

Miss Blue, from what little I know about you but perceive through your well written no holds barred posts, I believe you could bring any system/administration to its knees...... I mean that as a compliment.

You'll be a great nurse! Congrats to you.

January 16, 2012 9:12 PM
Photo 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Peter Lake said...

"Even if I knew that tomorrow the world would go to pieces, I would still plant my apple tree" by Luther, Martin.

I do like this one..... it has appeal that transcends so... Awe, i just like the message

Thinking out loud as I often do, what is such a shame is that we still need heroes to champion causes that should be the minimum rights and expectation for any person..... And then, well once the door is opened even a crack the opportunity should not be wasted..

January 16, 2012 9:14 PM
Photo 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Peter Lake said...

.....'cos if you do waste it, you might just end up "living in a van down by the river"

January 16, 2012 9:45 PM
Myself 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Spring Fragrance said...

Like KSS, I applaud Mooseloop for her brave post. Even though I sit so far from your shores, MLK's weaknesses are not unknown.  I think I will always admire him most for his courage; he took on a world that had taken a set of values,  judgements and opinons as the societal norm and turned it on its head.  However, in attempting to correct the wrongs, has the socieity overextended and overarched?

America (like Singapore and Australia) has been built on the toil, sweat and tears of immigrants of many skin, colour and race. Is there any due recognition - streets named, billions of dollars and resources granted  (I read with interest Bebe's post) , holidays set aside etc..for them? How about the native American? Understand that I am not saying no wrong was done. I am asking if segregation is now not even more obvious? That the very thing it sought to correct is now its own monster, or would it be politically incorrect to say so?


This is a question I direct not only to you. We have similar problems in my part of the world. In Malaysia, the bumiputras (sons of the soil) are elevated over the Chinese and Indians who work harder and smarter. Australia has tried to correct what it did to the Aboriginals.

January 16, 2012 9:51 PM
Myself 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Spring Fragrance said...

A chemistry professor at a large college had some exchange students in the class. One day while the class was in the lab the Professor noticed one young man (exchange student) who kept rubbing his back, and stretching as if his back hurt. The professor asked the young man what was the matter. The student told him he had a bullet lodged in his back. He had been shot while fighting communists in his native country who were trying to overthrow his country's government and install a new communist government.

In the midst of his story he looked at the professor and asked a strange question. He asked, 'Do you know how to catch wild pigs?' The professor thought it was a joke and asked for the punch line. The young man said this was no joke. 'You catch wild pigs by finding a suitable place in the woods and putting corn on the ground. The pigs find it and begin to come every day to eat the free corn. When they are used to coming every day, you put a fence down one side of the place where they are used to coming. When they get used to the fence, they begin to eat the corn again and you put up another side of the fence. They get used to that and start to eat again.


You continue until you have all four sides of the fence up with a gate in the last side. The pigs, who are used to the free corn, start to come through the gate to eat; you slam the gate on them and catch the whole herd. Suddenly the wild pigs have lost their freedom. They run around and around inside the fence, but they are caught.


Soon they go back to eating the free corn. They are so used to it that they have forgotten how to forage in the woods for themselves, so they accept their situation

January 16, 2012 9:57 PM
First-com Anam Cara said...

I do believe in perusing todays comments that Jimi Hendrix said it all. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, THE WORLD WILL KNOW PEACE. God rest the soul of MLK and bring to fruition all he believed in so strongly and which in the end cost him his life. Such a waste!

January 16, 2012 10:31 PM
Photo 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Peter Lake said...

I doubt if there is anyone who has ever participated in this forum that hasn't spent time in a glass house, or at least a glass room or two that has at one time or another thrown stones.

I know I've broken some glass in my time here.... And will probably do so again........having said that, I don't know why I am concerned about it. Not worth the trip.

January 16, 2012 11:21 PM
Myself 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Spring Fragrance said...

Me too, PL, being thrown stones here, and some may think I have thrown some too.......but that is what I like about being here. I like to think we are a community of thinkers. I like it when there are posters bringing both sides (or more) of an issue up. It was exciting to see Moose bringing something so controversial up so early. I think she was brave.  We don't have to agree or disagree but it should at lease broaden our views

January 17, 2012 2:29 AM
13091 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 janej78 said...

TT, Lynn830, Andy, Julia, Miss Blue, lotlot, Shandonista, Spring Rain, S.A.J. Johnson, PL, Carol, Paolo, Rusty, ChefDeb, Hazel, Penelopetx, Imarjorie, rwh1....keeping the dream alive.  
 
Bebe...exactly
 
Anam Cara...that's my favorite Jimi Hendrix line....and so true.
  
Miss Blue, Congrats...a good friend of mine has been an RN for almost 30 years. It takes a caring person and I believe you are.

January 17, 2012 11:53 AM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1 bebe said...

Many thanks for the shoutouts. It is not often that I have anything other than the fizziest, some would probably say shallow comments to add.
 
PL......................I will take you up on that hotdog......................chili, cheese, & onions.....or, lots of mustard & relish.....................or......................oh geez...................................

January 17, 2012 9:41 PM
13091 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 janej78 said...

Bebe, all your comments are avidly read by me.  
 
I really want to thank some of you again. Shandonista, your way with words kept me, if not calm, at least from lashing out. PL, the same with the way you express your thoughts. I was on the verge of a really angry retort to a post, but instead read all the wonderful, positive affirmations of peace and good will.  
 
Moose, I would ask what you really know about "minority citizens" choosing not to avail themselves of OPPORTUNITIES. I wonder if living in a gated community might not shelter you a bit from the realities of growing up very poor, especially poor and Black or Latino.. and...it may surprise you to learn that, despite prevailing stereotype, Whites, not Blacks, collect the greatest share of public aid dollars.  
 
I'm thankful that I didn't lose my cool, even though I couldn't let it go completely...and really, it's because of all the real, living the dream, comments by so many of you.

Honor Roll


If I, and others like me were drowning in a pit of despair, abuse and hatred ..........and a  man...

-Peter Lake

Jan. 16, 2012 11:54 AM

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