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The Third Man

January 12, 2012

“Victims? Don't be melodramatic. Look down there. Tell me. Would you really feel any pity if one of those dots stopped moving forever? If I offered you twenty thousand pounds for every dot that stopped, would you really, old man, tell me to keep my money, or would you calculate how many dots you could afford to spare?" 

That was Orson Welles, as Harry Lime, on the Wiener Riesenrad, the famed Vienna ferrris wheel, justifying killing a few of those dots, in the 1949 British film noir, "The Third Man," directed by Carol Reed and starring Joseph Cotten, Alida Valli, Orson Welles, and Trevor Howard.

With the Academy Awards looming next month on the 26th, I thought I’d feature some overlooked films. 

Outside of winning for Robert Krasker's cinematography, it was completely shut out.

Not even nominated for the fantastic zither theme music, composed by Anton Karas who Carol Reed discovered playing in a wine bar.

The superb not nominated screenplay was written by novelist Graham Greene, who subsequently published the novella of the same name, which he had originally written as a preparation for the script.

Well, you know the plot.

American pulp Western writer Holly Martins arrives in Post-World War II Vienna to look up his old pal Harry, where he learns that Lime's racket was stealing penicillin from military hospitals, diluting it, and selling it on the black market, leading to many deaths.  

Even though the not nominated Orson Welles is only on screen 15 minutes, every minute he's on is mesmerizing:

“...In Italy, for thirty years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love, they had five hundred years of democracy and peace — and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock."

In 1999 the British Film Institute selected the film that wasn't even "good" enough to be nominated for best picture, as the best British film of the 20th century.

Throw in an affair of the heart that keeps you guessing right to the novel ending and you have what Roger Ebert wrote, "Of all the movies that I have seen, this one most completely embodies the romance of going to the movies."

Bravo.

J. Peterman

 

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January 12, 2012 12:04 AM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 lotlot said...

Shouldn't the Village have a movie theater?

January 12, 2012 12:28 AM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 lotlot said...

Don't go to the movies much any more.

Too much noise, chatter, chomping, moving about, texting, message checking and such.

I let the movies come to me.

Netflix does the trick.

January 12, 2012 12:30 AM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 lotlot said...

My favorite movie as a young guy and still my favorite movie as an old guy:

Any BritCom.

January 12, 2012 12:33 AM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 lotlot said...

Suggested name for a movie theater in the Village:

The Picture Show.

Has a real down-home ring to it.

January 12, 2012 1:43 AM
4224 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 RoadYacht said...

the coin operated mirror,for a slight fee,will superimpose your image onto a vintage movie poster....imagine RY in the King and I....(darn!! no change!...and IOU's dont fit in the coin slot)

January 12, 2012 3:17 AM
Sarah2 10photoviewsFirst-comFirst-photoHr-1 Dash said...

I watched "The Third Man" during a time when I wanted to watch all the great old movies I had missed.  I was just in awe.  I had read the book; I love Graham Greene.  But I was certainly unprepared for Orson Welles.  He simply oozed cynicism and a sort of bland, careless evil.  If that's putting it right.  I remember him for saying "rosebud" also. What was that movie?  It was his most famous and now I can't remember.   He was incredible though.  That much everyone must remember.

January 12, 2012 4:00 AM
Gandhi_medium 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Tommy Typical said...

Radio Classics on Satellite play the radio version from the early 50's and I quote- Most episodes would begin with "The Third Man Theme" being played, abruptly cut off by an echoing gunshot. Then Welles would speak: "That was the shot that killed Harry Lime. He died in a sewer beneath Vienna, as those of you know who saw the movie The Third Man. Yes, that was the end of Harry Lime... but it was not the beginning. Harry Lime had many lives... and I can recount all of them. How do I know? Very simple. Because my name is Harry Lime."- Mr O would sell no wine before its time.

January 12, 2012 4:15 AM
1014 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 karma swim swami said...

Dash:

He said "rosebud" in Citizen Kane. His childhood snow sled was named Rosebud. His final utterance is "rosebud." The film closes with Rosebud the sled being incinerated. It denotes happiness, unfetteredness, the pluripotentiality of childhood, and the notion of an unstained life.

CK in general and "rosebud" in particular caused quite a scandal. The film is a sardonic telling of the life of William Randolph Hearst (Kane's home in the film is based on Hearst's San Simeon in California (on Hwy 1 as I recall; I've been there).

That "rosebud" is a motif for the film is what really caused outrage and high dudgeon. Hearst was not precisely a continent person, and it was known among his inner circle that "rosebud" was the appellation he had given to his wife's clitoris.

January 12, 2012 5:07 AM
1014 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 karma swim swami said...

Surely the most famous cover of "The Third Man Theme" was by Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass. I think it was from the "Going Places" album. It gets transmogrified from being something that is subdued Greek into something that is zaftig Mexican.

January 12, 2012 6:53 AM
4244 Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 ChefDeb said...

The theme from The Third Man (Paolos we need you!) is probably the best one in at least my own cinematic history. All I had to do to have it firmly playing in my head was get to the word "Thir.."

There used to be a restaurant in NYC called Vienna 79 and there was an in house zephyr player who probably played that 10 times a night. No one got sick of it. The food was wonderful ("nouvelle Austrian?")but the reason my husband and I regularly trekked to 79th Street was for that music.

I watch the movie whenever it comes on....there is always a rush when that first chord strikes up. It defines Classic Movie, and Orson Welles.......still has no equal.

January 12, 2012 7:29 AM
4244 Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 ChefDeb said...

oh STONEY, there you are! The day begins on a proper note. Thank you.

January 12, 2012 7:29 AM
4244 Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 ChefDeb said...

oh duh, meant ZITHER not zephyr

January 12, 2012 7:30 AM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 lotlot said...

Where is Haze this day, to put some delightful spark into the Village?

January 12, 2012 7:31 AM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 hazel leese said...

pluripotentiality - note to Self - do not play Scrabble with KSS.

January 12, 2012 7:46 AM
Gandhi_medium 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Tommy Typical said...

Ivan has a secret story about Rosebud. But does a Gentleman reveal it in mixed company? It was etched in my mind.

January 12, 2012 8:02 AM
Poison_dart_frog_2 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1 Miss Blue said...

 
 
 
 
"I'd make comic faces... and stand on my head and grin at you between my legs... and tell all sorts of jokes. I wouldn't stand a chance, would I?"

January 12, 2012 8:03 AM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 hazel leese said...

I'm not a movie buff. Prefer to read the book and generate the pictures inside my own head.
True story, speaking of rosebuds .... Live broadcast on Irish radio - presenter is interviewing somebody who met a glamorous lady celibrity:
"What's she like?"
"Oh she has wonderful legs"
"But, legs apart, what's she like?"
 "Bwwwwaaaaaahhhaaahhhhaaaaa!"
Thereafter the programme went off air for five minutes with some soothing music to allow everybody to compose themselves.

January 12, 2012 8:08 AM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 hazel leese said...

celebrity, then. When will my fingers learn to spell?

January 12, 2012 8:16 AM
1014 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 karma swim swami said...

Miss Blue! Mon dieu!

Based on 802 and your Swedish-colors avatar photo, are you named after the film "I Am Curious: Blue"? (Companion film to "I Am Curious: Yellow;" both are Swedish films; neither are blue movies.)

Hazel: In actual fact, and not meant as a boast, KSS has never lost a game of either Scrabble or Trivial Pursuit.

January 12, 2012 8:26 AM
1014 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 karma swim swami said...

ChefDeb:

I was sure you were just about to quote from the Prologue to Chuacer's "Canterbury Tales" in middle English:

Whan Zephyrus eke
with his swete breth
Inspired hath
in every holt and heth

January 12, 2012 8:50 AM
Me_and_dave 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Andy said...

On a different note, I think an overlooked actor who is so deserving of recognition is Robert Duval.  I'll watch anything that he's in.  I don't know if he's ever won an award, but he is certainly deserving of one. ---- let's pretend there's a paragraph here since, for some reason, on this computer, MR. P dosn't recognize them -- I usually watch movies for the people in them and that leads to mostly un-recognized films.  I don't want to watch something taking away from the story because of the actor in it.

January 12, 2012 9:03 AM
Poison_dart_frog_2 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1 Miss Blue said...

KSS
My avatar is actually the International Maritime Signal Flag indicating

"I wish to communicate with you." With one numeral, "I wish to communicate with you by..."; 1) Morse signaling by hand-flags or arms; 2) Loud hailer (megaphone); 3) Morse signaling lamp; 4) Sound signals.


I thought Ivan would have caught on a while back but......

January 12, 2012 9:44 AM
4244 Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 ChefDeb said...

this is so off topic, but "Rosebud" and its definition reminded me of when my kids were very little, in a very un-pc way instead of calling their private parts by proper names, I tended to say "petunia." Fast forward a couple of years and my mother, the great horticulturist, took the children to a special nursery in Litchfield County. As they arrived (and my mother's arrival was always a combination of a float in the Rose Bowl Parade and the docking of the QE2 on the red carpet))my mother said "First we would like to see what you have in Petunias....."

Needless to say, my children totally disgraced themselves screaming with laughter and wetting their pants and to this day it is their earliest childhood memory.

January 12, 2012 9:46 AM
4244 Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 ChefDeb said...

ANDY--I am with you 100% about Robert Duvall. My favorite role of his is Gus McRae in Lonesome Dove ("Laurie darling")but literally anything he does is great.
Another underrated actor is Ray Liotta.

January 12, 2012 9:48 AM
First-comHr-1 notker said...

I go to Vienna every once in a while to do research on the music of Anton Bruckner. When I arrive, the first restaurant I visit is "Zum weißen Rauchfangkehrer", that is, "At the White Chimney Sweep", using the Austrian dialect where the German would say "Schornsteinfeger". There in the back room one day I saw the most beautiful Saint Bernard bitch. Why don't we allow dogs in restaurants in our great country?

But the second restaurant I visit is the "Piaristenkeller", in the theater district adjoining Bruckner's church "Maria Treu", where you can order any entrée "klösterlich", which means with humble side orders, or "bürgerlich", with somewhat more lavish accompaniments, or "fürsterlich": princely in every way, in more palatino. The innkeeper, dressed in traditional Viennese innkeeper's garb which makes him look Croatian, mingles freely and exuberantly with the patrons. There they have a zither player who plays the theme from "The Third Man", very well but incessantly. On one visit my friend, another Bruckner enthusiast, just for variety, asked for "Caprice Viennois". Amazingly, the player didn't know it, so next day we went to Doblinger's and bought that for him, along with "Liebesfreud" and "Liebesleid", and had them sent to him. A few days later we went again to the restaurant, which made a considerable dent in our finances, and there was our genial musician with "Liebesfreud", played gently and sadly in the manner of "The Third Man". Another shot of their own liqueur "Optimismus" and everything was well. As always in Vienna, the situation was desperate, but not serious.

January 12, 2012 10:03 AM
Me_and_dave 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Andy said...

CHEF DEB ~ Yes, absolutely, Lonsome Dove was fantastic.  But, as you say, literally everything he does is.  He can transform himself into anything  -- One of his movies, "Assassination Tango", made him out to be a lady's man, and it worked and his dancing was amazing.

January 12, 2012 10:18 AM
10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Mooseloop said...

Yes, agreeing about Duvall, and Ed Harris, bot guys I'd pay to see in any flick. Not so much in theaters anymore, but on Netflix, as lotlot says. The wonder of calling up nearly anything on film on one's TV is the joy of Roku with Amazon and Netflix....Still enjoying the PD James series, and saw all of the Midsomer Murders last year. Need some new recommendations. Loved the Last Detective (Inspec. Dangerous), Inspec. Morse. Suggestions, anyone?

KSS - That was more than I wanted to know about Rosebud!!
TT- Thank you for the polite suggestion that there is some mannerly consideration for "mixed company."

Some of the guitar renditions of The Third Man theme are pretty good, too, but Stoney's choice of the original zither still reigns!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MScmDKoFKMY&feature=related

Today's topic will no doubt inspire us to go search out some old movies. My reading of Graham Greene was stuck in the corrupt priest of The Power and the Glory in undergrad school, and then Brighton Rock in grad school. Weird philosophizing, anti-church, immoral protagonists enough to suit Camus.

January 12, 2012 11:15 AM
Img00274-20110613-1309 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-5 l marjorie said...

My husband turned me onto The Third Man movie, and we watch it whever it comes on TV.  And we both love Vienna.  I love your comment, notker, where in Vienna, situations are desperate but not serious. 
I haven't been to the restaurants you mention, but one place we like to go is Griechenbeisl which is the oldest restaurant in town, since 1477.

January 12, 2012 11:42 AM
4244 Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 ChefDeb said...

ML Great choice, thanks

January 12, 2012 11:46 AM
10041_445991248814972_692962064_n Com-100Com-300First-comHr-1 The Giraffe said...

I remember seeing The Third Man when I was 14 - had the mumps and my mother dragged me to see this - what a marvelous experience, mumps and all.  Still my very favorite movie ever.  There are many fantastic movies over the years but I will always remember the ferris wheel and that zither.  Haunting!

more on the honor roll
January 12, 2012 11:55 AM
Img00274-20110613-1309 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-5 l marjorie said...

Mooseloop, try  the series Foyles War. You can get it on Netflix.  I think you'll really like it.  It's about a detective in England during WWII.

January 12, 2012 12:07 PM
Img00274-20110613-1309 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-5 l marjorie said...

As far as movies and actors go, I always thought I would love every Dustin Hoffman movie until I saw Ishtar.  Yuk!   I used to love all Harrison Ford movies until Random Hearts.  However, Duvall in Lonesome Dove was brilliant and I still think he makes any moving great.  And Ed Harris in Just Cause was truly scary. If you haven't seen that one, check it out.   He's always good.  Another actor, maybe not in the same catagory, is Bruce Willis. I usually like his movies.
 

January 12, 2012 12:07 PM
Img00274-20110613-1309 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-5 l marjorie said...

I don't know if Duvall would make moving great, but he does make great movies!

January 12, 2012 1:44 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 lotlot said...

I marjorie, you are right on target with Foyles War. Seen several of the series. Some twice or more.

January 12, 2012 1:44 PM
Stage_2 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 JALOPKIN said...

TOMMY:  Marion Davies ... not his Wife .......
 
KSS:  It is not that I didn't notice nor figure it out ... it is simply that it is no big deal to me, and therefore not particularly worth my time in commenting ... Notwithstanding the fact that an explanation, for most people, about what exactly Semifore is would have become a necessity, and then to what avail ???  Maybe a handful would have gotten a little boost in their ability to work the Times' Crossword Puzzle ...
 
Being in the NAVY, one must learn Semifore, particularly if his Rate is, Signalman ... but even then, one does not use it every day, thanks to the brilliance of Guglielmo Marconi ... My job seldom required my use of Semifore, and I found more use of the method aboard my own little Boat, especially around Tea Time, or the Cocktail Hour
 
 
Orson Welles was a monumantal Talent (No allusion to his ponderous girth in later life is intended) The only one of his Films that I have ever seen that put me to wonder why he would have made it, was one he did with Tyrone Power and Jack Hawkins, where he play'd the part of Fungus Khan ... beneath him in every way ... All I can figure is that he needed the Money to catch up on his Alimony Payments ... why else would such an Icon be doing Commercials for a truly putrid Screw-Top wine ... We knew something was wrong when Welles started using Victor Buono's Tailor .......

January 12, 2012 1:51 PM
Gandhi_medium 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Tommy Typical said...

Don't leave out Denzel in The Mighty Quinn. I could listen to Jamaicans talk 24/7..."You been like a big old knot ever since you was a boy, you know that?"...and Dylan's Quinn the Eskimo is so catchy...one of dem tunes that gets stuck in the noggin all day long. You ain't seen nothing like the Mighty Quinn or the mighty Harry Lime which you put in the coconut and mix it all up.

January 12, 2012 2:08 PM
Photo 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Peter Lake said...

I do believe that TCM (Turner Classic Movies) was created just for our neighborhood. You all have already richly paid homage to some very tread classics so I'll just sit at my desk with my hands folded, and soak it up......

......except to say that the Ferris Wheel is one of my very favorite machines. It is chock full of wheels, gears, cogs, smells of diesel fuel and oil ......and yet it is always a wonderful addition to any skyline, especially at night when it is outlined in lights.... And serves as a temporary home for countless breathtaking, romantic moments.

And Tommy is right...... You've not seen nuthin' like the Mighty Quinn.......

January 12, 2012 2:10 PM
First-comHr-1 notker said...

Thanks for the kind words, Marjorie. I enjoyed the Griechenbeisl too, right next to the Greek church, and with wonderful greenery. And the Ofenloch, and the Brezelgwölb, and the Gösser Bier-Klinik, and the Gulaschmuseum. And of course Café Central and Café Landmann... I feel like Fangorn mourning the forests of Beleriand.

January 12, 2012 2:11 PM
1-dscn1106-4 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 PARK4 said...

I've often wondered about that "rosebud" name for that sled. It made no sense. I never named my sleds, and if I had I don't think I'd have named it after a flower. ... Nonetheless, I liked Citizen Kane, the movie - but I liked The Third Man better.  They show it on TCM now and then, and I see more in it, the more I see it.  However, Welles is off-putting to me - his ego gets/got in his way, he didn't need to be in TTM, his fifteen seconds I didn't find captivating, but the film succeeds mightily in spite of him.  Orson Welles: I'll "drink no wine before its time" - holy moly, that was so silly, those ads -- he was one of those actors who never knew when it was time to leave the stage, and make a graceful permanent exit.   (get the hook! quick!)

January 12, 2012 2:31 PM
Img00274-20110613-1309 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-5 l marjorie said...

I like The Third Man a lot better than Citizen Kane.  Though I think Citizen Kane is an interesting movie, I never understood the uproar. Yes, the camera angles are interesting and innovative.  Oh well.
 
Yes, TT, I don't think Denzel has ever been in a bad movie. And he's pretty easy on the eyes too.  We should talk about the other gender as well (as long as she doesn't wear pink!) The obvious choice is, of course, Merle Streep.  I can't wait to see her do Thatcher!  As far as the actresses from the previous generation, Anne Baxter comes to  mind. Her movies were always good. Check out Five Graves to Cairo costarring Franchot Tone. That was always one of my favorites.  I always like a good Nazi movie.

January 12, 2012 2:33 PM
Img00274-20110613-1309 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-5 l marjorie said...

notker, you make me want to go back to Vienna right now. Maybe I should go on-line to purchase some Sacher Torte. In spite of the hype which sometimes wrecks things, that is a pretty fine slice of cake. I think it's the apricot preserves.

January 12, 2012 2:50 PM
4244 Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 ChefDeb said...

I MARJORIE I chuckled about your "I always like a good Nazi movie" remark. And it made me realize we got this late in the day without mentioning Casablanca--speaking of Nazis and great music.

I know its upsetting to see someone like Orson Welles pitch bad wine, but IVAN is right about alimony payments, etc. Look at some of the good actors like Michael Caine and Sean Connery who will do ANY movie as long as it pays money..even our current day throb George Clooney can't be counted on as a recommendation for a film. Whereas Tom Hanks is almost always in quality (albeit "lite") projects. Oh my, I just thought of Paul Newman. Need I say more? Paul Newman. and never mind about the salad dressing, don't even start, it all goes to charity. All right, maybe not all , but its not the same as Orson for Chateau Rotgut.

January 12, 2012 3:00 PM
Img00274-20110613-1309 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-5 l marjorie said...

Ah yes, Paul Newman. And Bruce Willis was in one of his great films, Nobody's Fool. I guess Willis did the role for peanuts just to work with Newman.

January 12, 2012 3:21 PM
Gandhi_medium 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Tommy Typical said...

Ivan- Last Paragraph of your 1:44 is Classic*** PL- There is also Zappa's Nanook and his big no no***Steve Badass McQueen- Bullitt: Look, Chalmers, let's understand each other... I don't like you.

January 12, 2012 4:33 PM
1521 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-5 Shandonista said...

Mooseloop - For good English detectives on Netflix, try George Gently.  For good doctor fare, try Doc Martin.
 
We were literally addicted until we finished all shows. 
 
Revisiting All Creatures right now and it is as pleasing now as the first time around....

January 12, 2012 5:03 PM
Photo 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Peter Lake said...

PA4..... Naming one's sled 'rosebud' is fodder for yestreday's topic.....but I can see naming one something like the zephyr, speed demon...or after your girl....but not rosebud!

January 12, 2012 5:31 PM
Me_and_dave 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Andy said...

I too always wondered about the "rosebud" thing.  Just assumed it would be one more of those deep psychological things that everyone knows but me since I usually watch movies for entertainment and rarely look for any hidden meaning in them.
 
And, yes, oh yes, Paul Newman, said with a *sigh*

January 12, 2012 5:37 PM
1014 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 karma swim swami said...

Why Robert Krasker was honored for his cinematography befuddles me. A couple of non-horizontal off-kilter shots of Joseph Cotten in a bar, so as to convey "psychological tension"? The Academy, however, invariably likes accessible mediocrity, and in truth an Oscar (talk about naming your body parts!) is a pseudo-honor. TTM really should have been lensed by James Wong Howe.

January 12, 2012 6:31 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 hazel leese said...

Ho hum .... relatively early night for me, cat is sat on the stairs eagerly awaiting my warm presence under the duvet. I'm all showered and tooth cleaned, so nos da dear people. x

January 12, 2012 6:59 PM
Paolo 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 paolos said...

Gina Lollobrigida only because I like the way her name rolls off the
tongue.
Beat the Devil, screenplay Truman Capote and John Huston. 
Humphrey Bogart, Jennifer Jones and Gina Lollobrigida. 
Not to mention Peter Lorre and my favorite Robert Morley,  I'll see you
later. Billlay.

...and GinaLollabrigida rolling off my tongue.

January 12, 2012 7:07 PM
1014 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 karma swim swami said...

BTD must have been the situation in which, off-screen, Capote claims he out arm-wrestled Bogart.

January 12, 2012 7:39 PM
Paolo 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 paolos said...

No telling what Truman was doing off screen.  I would have been arm wrestling Gina. I did like Truman's performance in BTD...he must have studied Curly of the 3 Stooges.  Somewhat like Brad Pitt modeling his role of Mr. Black after the Cat in the Hat. 

January 12, 2012 7:47 PM
4244 Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 ChefDeb said...

Hey Paolos, Happy New Year!!

January 12, 2012 7:52 PM
Gandhi_medium 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Tommy Typical said...

I like wise crackers. Bogart for sure but love William Powell as Philo Vance and later as Nick Charles in the Thin Man. Then topped off by the great Leo Kottke's "William Powell" truly a fine piece of Geetar playin'. I generally sizzled at the sight of any Bond Girl.

January 12, 2012 8:07 PM
10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Stoney said...


No sleds called StarKist or Bumble Bee either… not anymore.

Time was, DPR would show up early or late and just overpower everything already or about to be posted. Where is Matt?
Nice try kids. E for effort and all that.

January 12, 2012 8:29 PM
1-dscn1106-4 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 PARK4 said...

Two first-rate Hitchcockers that I don't think have been mentioned:  Strangers on a Train, with Farley Granger, and (personal favorite) Shadow of a Doubt with Joseph Cotten (he's a noir favorite, isn't he?), in a stellar performance as the good guy uncle with homicidal tendencies. Robert Osborne, the main man over at TCM, said recently that Shadow of a Doubt was Hitchcock's favorite film - which I thought was interesting.  It's not in your face Hitcock like his later movies...not many of his films take place on Main Street, USA...I guess he's telling us that evil lurks everywhere, not just in apartment buildings with rear windows and such...

January 12, 2012 8:29 PM
293 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-5 rings90 said...

I was kinda hoping today as I was shelving the fiction section that DPR would show up on today's topic.. Kinda dissapointed..  

January 12, 2012 8:31 PM
1-dscn1106-4 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 PARK4 said...

By "in your face Hitchcock" in my previous post, I wasn't being derogatory, heavens no.  I meant easily recognizable as a Hitcock film.

January 12, 2012 8:33 PM
1-dscn1106-4 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 PARK4 said...

Stoney dear:  I'm giving you an "E" for ennui.  Wink.    Snowing here.  By you, too?

January 12, 2012 8:55 PM
Stage_2 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 JALOPKIN said...

PAOLOS:  Did he study Curly ???????  or did he study Richard Simmons ???????
 
Only his Hair Dresser knows for sure ..............

January 12, 2012 9:10 PM
293 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-5 rings90 said...

P4 - we FINALLY have snow -  Stoney hope youweren't stuck over Lake Buttes Des Mortes earlier this evening sounds like it was quite the mess.  Rumor has it that Hearst & Davies had a child Patricia. She married Arthur Lake who played Dagwood Bumstead in the Blondie series in the 30 thru the 50's.     

January 12, 2012 9:11 PM
Me_and_dave 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Andy said...

Just watched a British movie that we've seen before and watch every time we can catch it on: "Blow Dry" - with Alan Rickman, Natasha Richardson in what is probably her last movie and Rachel Griffiths.  If you all have the opportunity to watch it, I think you'll like it.  You laugh, you cry and the singer at the end, while the credits are rolling, doing an Elvis impersonation is worth watching as well. 

January 12, 2012 9:29 PM
Sarah2 10photoviewsFirst-comFirst-photoHr-1 Dash said...

Rosebud.  Rosebud.  Semaphore. Semaphore.  Wave those flags; make them all rainbow flags.  Rosebud flags, even.  Somewhere on some destroyer, a young man or woman is waving flags in communication.  That's impressive.  On another note, since I can't paragraph in this thing either, Andy.  I first saw Hitchcock's "Pycho" when I was a wee child.  In my PJs at the drive-in.  My mother loved scary movies.  Her idea:  the kids will all fall asleep before the scary stuff comes on.  Me, I'm an insomniac.  During the stabbing in the shower I asked her  "What's that stuff going down the drain?"  "Oh, just dirt," she replied.  A very dirty Janet Leigh.  I couldn't close my eyes in the shower for the next two decades, worried that someone was going to sneak in and stab me.  Hitch made you believe it.  Without showing the stabbing.

January 12, 2012 9:30 PM
P8041286 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300First-comFirst-photoHr-1 IvyGailWinds said...

                                    "FLUFFY CRAP" this is my title that means "Good Opinion Stuff"
 This is what i remember, Heus!
Just got home from a day long event, on Government, on How media shapes public opinion of government...think of 24/7 CNN then think of cazy Fox...then Think Amy Goodman who really gets the news out....Well, back to the problem of informational Bias....Cause and Effect....one should not develop an opionion before he gathers the backup knowledge...We see the Forest thru the Trees; but, we tend to get into the leaves......It is obvious that Riky is a molded fictional character politician and I got affirmation today from IN THE NEWS: WASHINGTON, "he is not Presidential material and if he can not help to feed the Pennsylvania children through his piled up stock reserves ....then no vote...so, arrrgh, arrrgh,I was not far from knowing this peron is a  bad candidate for president. Ok that is solved....remember when i went to the Hunger Coalition meeting and he said, " Its ok for Pennsylvanians to struggle....no go with me...he does not have intelligence..he thought by walking in like the blues brothers, he was a president then ...are you kidding me....could he name a foodbank at least.during his speech..that he visited....He .is a fictional character in my book..."Lost in the Forest!" ok i was enlightened.... But if you are a politician and have a tan....from deep sea fishing...i have some questions...you need to make your civic job as a part time job and have a regular job  because our country is in deep dodo....and if you have time for fishing in the public sector then you have time for a regular job and help the government save money.....we have a legacy of failure in our schools... Remind you that are children are a greatest resource..  .poor working conditions are amuck everywhere..!!! I left a job after 2 months and wrote about the poor working conditions..I wrote a 43 page essay on this...problems with public schools...you get an inkling and then affirmation that the community problems are under 300 feet of water.......survival of the fittest...the new Politician says and abides by a secret rule wait it out till I  gain stock and funds...ride the wave...my mind wonders.....
  and mulla, then talk about helping citizens.....just ignore is no longer acceptable.....this is no longer a game of this...people want more resolved and fixed...   the clean water and air act is for 100's 100's 100's of generations in the years to come...the amount of gas in the ground will only last 100 years....we need regulation Pennsylvanias greatest resource is water not gas....lets work on a balance plan...severence tax on Marcella shell wells starts January 31st, i pushed up the date (in my cyber world mind because my children need food shelter clothing and great schools )....and signed on the dotted line; Shell Tax...Impact fee;Severance Tax Yea!...maybe the food banks won't be so busy...we have the Fair Share Act 5%...help for environment...We need a gas processing plant and milk processing plant....    "Western Pennsylvania is the Energy Capital of the World"   Just because you have a political job representing the people ....does not mean you can spend money that does not exist..i'm going to express.....hoodwinked    ; -)   ...citizens.....republicans are holding back they won't
move the ball ahead down the field...and been creating more hardships.... then saying OK with this philosophy...it is not ok....and that is why i am voting the Obama/Biden ticket....he asked on TV are we weary....and he is going to even do greater things because alot of people are going to help him...including me...    HIGhLIGHT of the Day....Thank goodness for this individual working hard for years helping people and then accepting a job to continue to help people,
It was a new look and an insight to the Democrat party; Mark Critz, intelligent, direct with helping the citizens of Pennsylvania; Thumbs Up.....we need him to keep office; he is a community minded individual with experience to help people...this is a definite asset for people...!!!!.... 99% is how he operates to help people.......
 I was very impressed with knowing that most speakers were intellligent, and expressed helping people in Pennsylvania, some insist that no one writes...?  but please do not say to me what you think I want to hear.............Good Luck and better future for Pennsylvania....don't skirt your responsiblities..i do not know what if or i am wrong...but i tried to listen...and figure out some solutions...it takes energy.....my eyes water when i think how the low grade public  school education kinda came to my house and took our peace...I ask my kids did you have afavorite teacher and they can not tell me one; i am so glad i supplemented their education with theatre and music...and dance.. :-(.                   

January 12, 2012 10:08 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1 bebe said...

STONEY........................I was just thinking, before you & RINGS brought him up; where is DPR?????????????? I miss him mightily & hope he & his family are well. He is the god of movies & no blogger he.....................sigh oh sigh....................
 
IVAN......................I laughed very hard at your women's volleyball post.................those are some fine women, no doubt about it........................
 
ANDY................anything Alan Rickman & when you said Robert Duvall I kept thinking about the movie he wrote & starred in (maybe he also directed it) where he played the preacher & Farrah Fawcett ( a fine turn by her) was his estranged wife............................so good & I remember my shock when he lost best actor...................it was an amazing performance.
 
Does Peterman offer mail order meds?
 
 

January 12, 2012 10:13 PM
Photo 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Peter Lake said...

I'm just sitting here watching and enjoying 'The Boondock Saints' for the umpteenth time. I cannot not watch it. I'm pretty sure it does not appear on anyone's top 1000 list....but I likes it.

I'm glad Hitchcock is in today's mix. He entertains, makes you think, and makes you laugh..... Especially on his tv series, Alfred Hitchcock Presents. A huge talent that was truly comfortable laughing at himself. I like that part of him a lot.

In honor of the Boondock Saints....Rocko in particular; I'll catch you on the flip side.

January 12, 2012 10:29 PM
Paolo 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 paolos said...

Happy New Year Chef Deb and all y'all. 


Miss Bebe ~ Let's hope DPR is so busy shuffling tourists around NYC
that his free time is devoted to family and enjoying the good life.
 
IVAN ~ It is possible he studied Richard as a roll
model.

January 12, 2012 10:37 PM
10041_445991248814972_692962064_n Com-100Com-300First-comHr-1 The Giraffe said...

Have just finished watching The Third Man.  Still my favorite.  Off with the zither in my head.

January 12, 2012 10:40 PM
Photo 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Peter Lake said...

That would be Rocco....

January 12, 2012 10:56 PM
First-com Anam Cara said...

Andy:I just adore Robert Duval. Got such a kick out of him in Lonesome Dove, always pulling into those little dirty, dusty western town lookin fer some horzzzzzzzzzz. Seems like he always managed to find some too. (crackin up here)
Now on to the next subject. Seems like I am gonna have to pounce on that there Ivan and find out just exactly what it is he knows about "Rosebud". Think he'll tell me? HA HA!!!
 

January 13, 2012 1:33 AM
13091 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 janej78 said...

Never cared much for Citizen Kane, but loved The Third Man...always liked Joseph Cotten. I always have yto watch Touch of Evil with Orson Welles because it is so weird and funny....haha...Charlton Heston as a Mexican...haha..
As for Robert Duvall, saw him in this gem a couple of years ago... Get Low....worth seeing....and Tender Mercies was an early version of Crazy Heart.
 
Paolo, your absence was noticed, nice to see you back. 
 
 

January 13, 2012 3:03 AM
10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Stoney said...


rings90, Park4, bebe ~

No Pirate, plenty of new snow.

January 13, 2012 6:16 AM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1 bebe said...

JANE....................I have been off the grid, but reading the eye. I meant to tell you that I remember when you were talking about your friend who has lost much weight & cannot do much anymore. I am sorry to hear she is still not doing well. A few years ago we were in MA & had planned a large 50th anniversary party for my in-laws. My father-in-law had been feeling pretty awful for about a week & he put up a good front that evening, but when he went to the doctor & was tested he was found to have Lyme disease. He got much better after a round of medication. It definitely laid him low for awhile. It is no laughing matter & devastating for the person who has it. A caring doctor, family, & friends are of utmost importance.

January 13, 2012 12:31 PM
13091 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 janej78 said...

Hi Bebe...what a memory. Yes, she is worse....has a double whammy of having allergic reactions to many of the medications. More than once, she has been mistaken for my mother, though she is younger than I....and this is up-close. Maybe the key is early diagnosis....so glad your f-i-l recovered.....and your last sentence says it all.
 
Being a fan of Robert Duvall, did you happen to see Get Low?

January 13, 2012 10:19 PM
Paolo 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 paolos said...

Miss Jane ~ Get Low is one of my favorites.  Another is Kris Kristofferson's Bloodworth set in the hills of Tennessee.

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