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A world leader recently insisted that the movement towards freedom was driven by “existential disgust.”

Certainly a subject only, perhaps, understood by consulting Jean-Paul Sartre, and his best-known utterance:

“Man is condemned to be Free.”

A seeming contradiction in terms.

But if it weren’t contradictory, it wouldn’t have exhausted conversation in all those smoke-filled rooms.

(Today, smoke free rooms.)

So what did he mean in his famous statement from "Being and Nothingness." 

(B&N to Sartre fans — not Barnes & Noble.)

As Sartre writes, "Man is nothing else than his plan — he exists only to the extent that he fulfills himself; he is therefore nothing else than the ensemble of his acts, nothing else than his life."

Ah, but Leibniz followers argue “God determined each man’s essence and then left him to act freely in demands of his essence.”

Yes, but Sartre counters in words that define the entire existential movement.

"Essence precedes existence."

This reverses the traditional philosophical view that the essence or nature of a thing is more fundamental and immutable than its existence.

The “essence” or “nature” of a chair, in an often-cited example, exists in the mind of the creator before the actual chair exists in the world.

In humans, it's a bit trickier, but same lessons apply.

Man is condemned to be Free?

Or, if you like, these words from Kris Kristofferson and Fred Foster:

"Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose."

You have the freedom to choose.

J. Peterman

 

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October 27, 2011 12:35 AM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 lotlot said...

Speaking of free. . .

Pray. Or don’t.

Dissent. Or don’t.

Tell off a politician. Or don’t.

Vote. Or don’t.

Go to church. Or don’t.

Read the Bible. Or the Koran. Or neither.

Be a Republican. Or a Democrat. Or neither.

Live in the city. Or out in the wide open spaces.

Dress up. Or dress down.

Drive a gasoline powered vehicle. Or an electric one.

Exercise. Or lie on the couch.

Be a coach. Or a cowboy.

Appreciate the Constitution. Or ignore it.

Choices –- countless, cherished choices –- are ours.

Just part of this cherished thing we call freedom.

October 27, 2011 1:22 AM
4224 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 RoadYacht said...

But....and this is important...finish what you start. Just now I finished that wonderful slice of pumpkin pie with the eggnog I turned into a whipped topping.

October 27, 2011 1:24 AM
4224 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 RoadYacht said...

...andgo ahead and charge at windmills...just don't exceed your credit limit

October 27, 2011 1:24 AM
4224 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 RoadYacht said...

and try not to suck all the oxygen out of a room

October 27, 2011 1:36 AM
10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Stoney said...


Chances are if your favorite pronoun has but one letter, you might as well spend  time writing about existence because there are probably not a lot of people hip-checking each other for the seat next to yours.
If, on the other hand, you quietly have Liberty Mutual days: hold that door, prevent the distracted man from stepping into traffic, pick up the teddy bear, your life is sufficiently comfy and pleasing that abstractions can be left to the abstract.
It is chilly enough that, for the first time, there is a little spark of anticipation for that favorite holiday moment: not Christmas music in shops, not the days remaining count-down or the White House tree lighting ceremony.
Nope. It's Peter.
http://youtu.be/I4kNl7cQdcU ;

October 27, 2011 1:42 AM
4224 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 RoadYacht said...

WOW! that must have been the year before the kids learned to say "WHADJABRINGME? ISZATALL?"

October 27, 2011 1:55 AM
8251 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1 Kentucky Curmudgeon said...

The nerve of Peter...coming home after an apparent extended absence and goes for the fresh can of coffee rather than what's in the coffee crock. I imagine after the cameras quit rolling Mom gave him the what for...

October 27, 2011 4:35 AM
Stage_2 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 JALOPKIN said...


"SUFFER"  has not a thing to do with ones experiencing Pain or Anxiety, or any other unpleasantness ... SUFFER means, To Spend Time IN(as in Doing Something) or To  Spend Time With(whatever/whoever)
 
CHOICE, is the Strongest Emotion that Humans can Feel ... but Regardless which way One Chooses, One Suffers the Consequences of that Choice(2008 Comes To Mind) one way or another .......
 
No "Kings' X" ... No "Do Overs" .......
 
Somewhere in the midst of all this marvelousness ... Some of us Grow Up .......
 
We have experienced all the disasters that have taken place since the Flower Children of the 60's took over running the Country ... Now, Fast Forward ... to the Horrors we'll see when the Next Holding Cell of Detritus from Fail'd Laborotory Experiments and Janitors in a Drum take the place over, and haven't got a Clue what the Geezers are raving about, waving their Walkers all around and proudly wearing their Reagan Campain Buttons ... Not seeing the Islamic takeover coming, like an avalanche of excrement, with Lumps, that will destroy every thing and every one that is not Islamic ... The more ridiculously insane it all sounds, the more we can be sure that it is going to happen ....... "Far   Out, Man ......."

October 27, 2011 4:55 AM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Julia Masi said...

Everything in life is choices.  When we look back, we often reflect on the road not taken.  Freedom brings the responisbility to think through your choices.  Freedom also leads to either satisfaction or regret.  

October 27, 2011 6:03 AM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Julia Masi said...

Kris Kristofferson had it right.  "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to loose>"   When you've got your freedom you've got everything even if you think that you have lost it all.  If you have the freedom to choose : your occupation, you marital partner,  and status, the size of your family and religion then you've got everything you need.

October 27, 2011 6:14 AM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Julia Masi said...

Freedom of Speech is a wonderful gift.  Too bad it is often misused as an excuse to annoy each other.    

October 27, 2011 6:57 AM
4244 Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 ChefDeb said...

JULIA-How boring life would be if we didn't annoy each other! Mix a little spice into the brew and get all those juices flowing. LOTLOT, RY and STONEY have pretty much said my piece for me. My life may not be quite what I imagined when I was younger (but I did then and now have a VIVID imagination) but I DO know that in spite of some problems (and annoyances!)all of us are in the .00001% of lucky lucky people in this world. Life might be simpler without so many choices but what a feast it is, complications and all.

Good Day everyone!!

October 27, 2011 7:08 AM
Pecos_tommy 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Tommy Typical said...

Born of the Great Depression and WWII, the current state of megrims results in existential one liners. "As we drive down the freeways, we see the new cars, but not the massive new-car loans that enslave their drivers to the banks...."
***
When we acknowledge the kingdom of the self, we will no longer accept slavery either for ourselves or for others, no matter how it is disguised.

GERRY L. SPENCE, From Freedom to Slavery

October 27, 2011 8:09 AM
Me_and_dave 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Andy said...

I had an uncle who spent most of his life in jail........brain taking me aside for a second:  my mother would lament, "why is it Harry that everyone knows?  Why not Davey?"  <Davey being the one who was simply wonderful.>.....anyway, back to Harry.  I didn't know about him until I was eight years old and then he was gone again, until I was getting married.  He said that having lost his freedom for most of his life, it frightened him, sometimes, to be able to simply walk down the street.  Watching our favorite movie "The Shawshank Redemption" reminds me of him.  When Red, free at last, has choices.  He hadn't had to think for himself for most of his life and suddenly had....choices {everyone, pretend there's a paragraph here, for some reason it won't work on this site, on this computer}  ChefDeb ~  So totally agree except that my life is better than I imagined as a young girl.  It's truly gone beyond my dreams.  Isn't that what we often argue about?  The fact that our government is now taking away many of those choices?  Even those that are sometimes bad for us; surely we as adults should have that choice.

October 27, 2011 8:57 AM
Myself 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Spring Fragrance said...

Anyone wants to explain the difference between liberty and autonomy? Perhaps in relation to the individual and then to the collective? It's a bit too late for me to think. I do like this quote:

There are two freedoms - the false, where a man is free to do what he likes; the true, where he is free to do what he ought. ~Charles Kingsley

Every now and then I hear comments, satirical, comic or otherwise, about how life behind bars is sometimes easier than living on the streets. One gets 3 square meals, a warm cell, big screen TV and even game consoles. I also remember the bible story about how the Israelites ranted at Moses after he had rescued them from slavery from the Egyptians. They didn't like having to fend for themselves. Yet, many of us would die to defend our freedom; it's the capacity not only to err but also to soar.

Nothing is more difficult, and therefore more precious, than to be able to decide. ~Napoleon Bonaparte

October 27, 2011 8:59 AM
Myself 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Spring Fragrance said...

Julia 6.03...I think I am too sleepy...you've said what I was trying to say!

October 27, 2011 9:49 AM
Paolo 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 paolos said...

Religious freedom, political freedom, economic
freedom...The movement to freedom is driven by existential
disgust...
must have been a French or German world leader.  What a moronic
thing to say.  Existentialism as a philosophy interferes with our freedom to
be.  If this were a baseball game and Sartre came up to bat, before he even dug
in his cleats (and I doubt that he would) I'd be yelling from the bleachers,
Sit down you bum.  Then I'd look around for a vendor, order a hot dog
and a beer, pass the money down to the end of the row and wait for the goods to
make their way to me.  Man is condemned to be
free...
tell that to my wife if you want a good laugh or to any
other married man's better half (excepting Stoney and Ummgawa).  And Leibniz, I
can hear his mama calling Gottfried Wilhelm come back here this minute pick
up your coat and hang it in the closet where it belongs. 
God determines
his essence?  Tell that to his mama, the one that makes him shower, brush his
teeth and put on clean drawers each morning.  You can't even scratch yourself
around these parts any more without some one raising a ruckus, causing a
hullaballoo.  I've had my say, I'll turn it back to someone less annoying. 
Someone who, perchance, walks around with his name sewn on the back of his
shoes. Y'all may not know who I'm talking about, but he knows and he knows I
know and I know he knows I know.

October 27, 2011 10:09 AM
Paolo 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 paolos said...

As an addendum to my previous rant, I sometimes
walk around with his name sewn on the back of my shoes.  For me it's not such a
bad thing, unless you think of it as a tattoo kind of thing and then it's just
creepy, no doubt.
 
I picked up a book at the library the other day.  I opened it to the
dedication page.  It was dedicated to the one who knows.   I was
honored.  How's that for writing about existence?
 
D'ya ever have one of those days
when...
 

Then there was Politician Lewis Morris:


"It is a conspiracy of silence against me — a conspiracy of silence. What
should I do?"



Oscar Wilde: "Join it."


Something I learned one day on the Eye, obviously
not well.

October 27, 2011 10:12 AM
Atticus_1 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Bert said...

It's scary being free. We all talk a good game, verbalizing inner desire to free ourselves of psychological baggage that imprisons us within our inner limitations. In reality only a select few were nurtured since childhood to take the path less traveled, risking failure, rejection, and (worst of all) feiling truly isolated. Spring Fragrance on occasion has shared some of her transition from small childhood to womanhood. Her parents both loved her enough to teach her that life is about exploring new horizions, taking calculated risks, and daring to live life to the fullest. I try my best every single day to resist the temptation to shelter my daughter from the risks inherent in allowing her to be truly independent. Now she's a butterfly whose wings have almost dried in the rays of the sun, but I'm confident that when she's out of the nest that she'll thrive. These are our lives, NOT merely dress rehersals.....

October 27, 2011 10:24 AM
4224 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 RoadYacht said...

ever had to audition?

October 27, 2011 10:41 AM
Photo 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Peter Lake said...

If freedom is having an unlimited amount of choices without consequences, then it is only an illusion and not of this world outside of your hopes, wishes, and dreams....

Exit stage right.......

October 27, 2011 10:47 AM
Paolo 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 paolos said...

RY ~ I auditioned in a previous life.  Didn't get
the part.

October 27, 2011 11:06 AM
10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Stoney said...


On the back of my shoes: one is left the other right. Doesn't everybody have that?
Freedom: all that is not forbidden within the larger framework of all that is.
It is worrisome that though we retain the freedom to try and to fail that the consequences of failure are suddenly the responsibility of the government.
Bit off more than you can chew in your mortgage or student loans? Not to worry, someone running for elective office has a way to shift that nasty burden to generations as yet unborn.
Are you in dire need of debt management counseling?
Here it is then: borrow no more than you can afford to repay and then (and this is the key) do it. Pay it all back. Your going to like how it feels.

October 27, 2011 11:15 AM
10photoviewsCom-100First-comFirst-photo SkyWalker said...

Give thanks every day for freedom. Cherish it and thrive.

October 27, 2011 11:29 AM
Me_and_dave 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Andy said...

There are those who prefer the mindlessness of not having the freedom of choice.  But those are the people who fail to understand that freedom goes hand in hand with responsibility.  Those are the people who like the idea of always being watched over and cared for without thought.  Those are the sheep.
 

October 27, 2011 11:36 AM
Com-100Com-300First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Gia said...

Hi JP. Thanks for the Janice link. It never gets old. And neither does Sartre.
 Existentially yours, Gia.

more on the honor roll
October 27, 2011 11:38 AM
Me_and_dave 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Andy said...

RY ~ ya think?  Heard some stories about those shepherds.

October 27, 2011 11:44 AM
10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Stoney said...


Andy ~

Does that explain why the current batches of protesters are often enclosed within fences?

October 27, 2011 12:10 PM
Paolo 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 paolos said...

Although there is no requirement to over contribute, our pace has slowed to
a point where we may not reach that 100 + day.  It's not for me, it's not for
Mr. Peterman that I remind y'all, it's for poor Tommy.  Just think of the smile
we can put on that little guy's face if we reach another 100 post day. Reach
deep down into that existential abyss and find something, anything to
contribute.  Please, for Tommy.

October 27, 2011 12:16 PM
Me_and_dave 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Andy said...

Paolos ~ Okay for Tommy  

October 27, 2011 12:17 PM
Me_and_dave 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Andy said...

I we could get back to food or underwear, I'm sure we'd hit that 100 mark --- for Tommy

October 27, 2011 12:24 PM
10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Stoney said...


If it were edible underwear, Katie bar the door.

October 27, 2011 12:27 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 hazel leese said...

paolos~ your 10.47 - brilliant!

October 27, 2011 12:35 PM
Paolo 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 paolos said...

There are two things I don't understand about this
video.
 
One, Is it really Is that All There Is? if
it is not all there is?
 
Two, If it is Is That All There Is?, what
happened to the rest of it?
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcGexjvL0V4  ;

October 27, 2011 12:50 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 hazel leese said...

Early this morning I told my chair (as mentioned in Mr P's homily of the day) that it was free to be anything it wanted. Or even just choose himself some new fabric for his cushion covers. I keep peeking to see if anything changed, but chair seems happy just being an old comfy chair.
I am content with what I have
Little be it or much.
And Lord, contentment still I crave,
Because Thou savest such.   (Old English Hymn)

October 27, 2011 12:52 PM
4224 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 RoadYacht said...

the Universe may
be as great as they say
but it wouldn't be missed
if it didn't exist

October 27, 2011 1:07 PM
Me_and_dave 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Andy said...

Hazel ~ I am too - in fact, more than content; grateful.

October 27, 2011 1:07 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 hazel leese said...

Freedom - Walking on a beach with a four year old boy and getting engrossed in his freedom. At first I thought I was "minding" him from harm, then I realised he was teaching me. As equals, we were free.

October 27, 2011 1:18 PM
Paolo 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 paolos said...

Stoney, Does TMBWITW know about this predilection of yours?  Your fondness
for chewing undergarments?  Never mind, and I am sorry. I really shouldn't post
this.  It's truly none of my business and we wouldn't want House Guest
scattering unmentionables about when you're off on a great adventure.  Don't you just love it when someone says I really shouldn't post this and then clicks on the send box as if he didn't know any better? as if there would be no consequences for his actions? as if he hadn't a clue? as if everything he did was nothing more than a petty annoyance? ain't life grand? is anyone having as much fun at this as me? has the other shoe dropped yet?

October 27, 2011 1:18 PM
10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Stoney said...


There are, on the sunny side of our lilac bush, plump buds from which have emerged, tiny lilacs. It is the twenty-seventh of October.

October 27, 2011 1:18 PM
4244 Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 ChefDeb said...

PAOLOS--help me out...Blossom Dearie "Lucky to be Me"Also kudos on 9:49--not a rant, an essay

October 27, 2011 1:21 PM
4224 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 RoadYacht said...

and the other sock never made it from the dryer...hey wait!!!  do socks have free choice? to be on feet that,er, get ripe? and that  is why they disappear?

October 27, 2011 1:24 PM
Paolo 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 paolos said...

As you wish...with thanks for you being...

 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZQuVRox5l0

October 27, 2011 1:47 PM
10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Rusty said...

Oh, Hazel, how heart touching and memory evoking.  I've walked with that four year old also.
 
Let's not forget that "free spirit."  The one that roams the wood, the beach, the country side in the way we all want to roam.  Or does it roam the world of meditation, of yoga and gurus.  Of could it be the spiritual world of Bible or Koran or Veda.  Where lies the 'free spirit?"
 

October 27, 2011 1:50 PM
10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Rusty said...

RY, heard another theory about that spare sock in that comes out of the dryer.  Driers do not devour socks.  They take the lint and create the spare--thier existential way of things.

October 27, 2011 2:19 PM
Paolo 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 paolos said...

Rusty ~ (1:47) He is still with us, he is roaming about with his name sewn
on the back of a pair of his (and my) shoes. 

October 27, 2011 2:39 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 hazel leese said...

O that sock. Can't tell you how much trouble it caused.

October 27, 2011 2:43 PM
1-dscn1106-4 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 PARK4 said...

 


After Ritsos 


by Malena Morling


You know that moment in the summer dusk
when the sunbathers have all gone home to mix drinks
and you are alone on the beach

when the waves begin to nibble
on the abandoned sand castles-
And further out, over the erupted face

of the water stained almost pink
there are a few clouds that hold
entire rooms inside of them-rooms where no one lives-

in the hair
of the light that soon will go
grey and then black. It is the moment

when even the man who mops the floor
in the execution room of the prison
stops to look up into the silence

that grows like smoke or the dusk itself.
And your mind becomes almost visible
and you know there is nothing

that is not mysterious. And that no moment
is less important than this moment.
And that imprisonment is not possible.


 


("After Ritsos" by Malena Mörling, from Ocean Avenue. © New Issues Press, 1999. Reprinted with permission.


This is from The Writer's Almanac which appears like sunshine everyday in my email -- do you get it as well?  If not, you should take a look at it.


And if you'd like the above poem read to you, here's the link:


http://writersalmanac.publicradio.org/


 


 


 

October 27, 2011 3:16 PM
Paolo 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 paolos said...

TOMMMMMYYYY ~ (50)

October 27, 2011 3:27 PM
004 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1 korthal said...

I've exercised my freedom and made reservations to visit with my Mother and sisters for Thanksgiving and my son, daughter-in-law, the favorite one, and grand kids for Christmas.
How lucky am I to have that freedom to be able to do that.
I'm kvelling, and I'm not even Jewish!!!

October 27, 2011 3:28 PM
004 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1 korthal said...

Thank you Ivan for "The Joys of Yiddish".

October 27, 2011 3:30 PM
4244 Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 ChefDeb said...

PAOLOS--as always, thank you, thank you so very much!

October 27, 2011 3:31 PM
4244 Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 ChefDeb said...

PARK4 I too have the daily privilege of receiving The Writer's Almanac and hope the rest of you who do not, will check it out. Its a dependable treat.

October 27, 2011 4:17 PM
004 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1 korthal said...

We still have the privelidge of seeing those stocking legs every time we refresh our screen, over there on the left.

October 27, 2011 4:30 PM
10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Stoney said...


One of the things I like best about this place is the appreciation villagers, some of you, have for what is good in your lives.
Yesterday we had a nice listening lunch with our granddaughter. She and the Beauty  chatting away while I smiled, laughed or asked in a grandfatherly way: "Do you need money or someone killed?"
Today we had a nice autumn trail walk with the dog along the river and creamed tuna on dark buttered wheat toast with green beans for lunch. Very quiet and nice.

P4 ~

I would cite it more if it were just "The Almanac."
Nice to see you.


October 27, 2011 4:31 PM
Me_and_dave 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Andy said...

Hazel ~ You hit on one of the many things for which I am grateful.
 
Park ~ Great link; thank you!

October 27, 2011 4:52 PM
First-comHr-1 VeraM said...

Coming to the discussion of Condemned to be Free late today, I always thought that Genesis summed it up in less high-falutin' language than people like Sartre and Leibnitz.
 
A&E were told not to eat (take in and digest) the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.  When one knows the difference one has to choose.  When one chooses one has to accept the consequences of one's choices. 
 
As long as they were automatons, they lived an idyllic lifestyle.  When they took it upon themselves to be free to choose, life in the garden ceased to exist and there was no going back (flaming swords and all that stuff). 
 
So what else is new?  Latterly the Cartesian explanation of cogito ergo sum has been criticized, because he failed to take emotions into consideration (I can't remember offhand if that was Damasio's contribution).
 
Most people don't get what freedom really means or understand how liberating it is to live one's own life according to one's own rules and not those of society's agenda.

October 27, 2011 4:56 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Carol said...

Maybe the way we view the issue of freedom is not too different than seeing the glass half empty or half full.

October 27, 2011 4:59 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-5 Georgia said...

     Hmmm. Hard to, say, as my mind can be made up, but presented with a fine argument, well-supported, it reserves the right to change (itself; its In-Itself, its For-Itself?).
 
    One of our parallel readings points out that "Freedom is not able NOT to exst." And goes on to support it. Follow, then, the link to "Christian Existentialism," and read another perspective.  And yet another.  Mind-opening, all.  Which is what JP wants us to do, I'd guess.  Stir the mix together, add a dab of Liebnitz, aseason to taste.
 
    As someone reminds, roads not taken are always there, but it's too late to change what I chose long ago, and I'm content in any case. Returning my thoughts to Jean-Paul S.: "...we have responsibilty; We cannot, blame 'nature' for our behavior. Yet we are part of communities and of the human race. The human condition we share forces us to accept responsibility. When we make choices, we say THIS behavior is of value."
 
    Stoney takes it further; I like his words.  And those of others. 
 
    And am delighted to share the human condition with all of you Village(ers?).        

October 27, 2011 5:14 PM
4188 10photoviewsCom-100First-comFirst-photo Penelopetx said...

 


 I peek in and you all are not eating (except you Stoney - wish I had a GRANDfather like you -  "Do you need money or someone killed?")



No kvetching about undies today ....  pretty quiet - I guess we all all enjoying the freedom of quiet.


 Very very nice  :)

October 27, 2011 5:40 PM
10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Stoney said...


VeraM ~
"Most people don't get what freedom really means or understand how liberating it is to live one's own life according to one's own rules and not those of society's agenda."
Are the prisons not packed with those people?

Georgia & penelopetx ~
You're sweet


October 27, 2011 5:48 PM
4244 Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 ChefDeb said...

STONEY big hugs & kiss with a box of lemon bars...

October 27, 2011 5:58 PM
Stage_2 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 JALOPKIN said...

KORTHAL:  I wish I'd written that Book ... but one must be an aged Tante to really be any good at it .......

October 27, 2011 5:59 PM
Photo 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Peter Lake said...

As Peter Lake sat high above on beam, hidden, or better yet, shielded from sight behind the flickering star lights that adorned the enourmous, curved, night-time ceiling that blanketed the Grand Central Terminal; he wondered and wondered as he flipped his coin in an effort to make a then seemingly life defining decision..... If he was surrendering his freedom by using this method to choose.

He was on 'the best of' 71 flip and was growing weary of the process.

As the coin was spinning in the air he realized that freedom, unlike the tails-n-heads coin he was watching spin in the air, was kinda the same on both sides.  That one side presented the freedom of making a choice, while the other side, which offered no choice,......Presented him the freedom to simply accept his absence of influence on this occasion and then exercise the freedom of either viewing it as a dead end, or just providing the opportunity for him to make choices a bit further down the road....and in the meantime......just do the best that he can.

Unfortunately Peter lost track of the coin which fell harmless to the floor below (well mostly harmless as it did chip the marble floor) and rolled to a stop after bumping into the foot of a youg boy who was just wondering how he could pay for a fresh, hot pretzel from the cart he was standing in front of.

Returning his focus on the decision that still remained....undecided,.....Peter pulled out another coin and said under his breath.......let's start with the 'best out of three......... 

Or not.

sorry.... I'm a victim of too much espresso in too little time.....

October 27, 2011 6:08 PM
1-dscn1106-4 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 PARK4 said...

I love Sartre.  For without him, I wouldn't have spent hours and hours in the above mentioned smokey rooms, cigarette in one hand, a cuppa black bitter caffeine in front of me, eye-lined faux doe eyes fixed on my philosophy instructor who I had the biggest crush on, I mean, it was serious.  An older man, he resembled a literary Fidel Castro, had that killer been-there-done-that attitude, and when he looked at me, I was dead certain he had been there and done that, and there were moments when I considered taking up with him, and I might add, he offered, but having freedom of choice I confined myself to conventionality and declined.  Damn.   Oh what a time we might have had, Sartre day and night, night and day...but it was not to be.  ......  I cried for a whole half hour in a gush of existential angst, and then I fixed my eye make up, bought a pack of cigarettes, and went out in search of a smokey room where life weary people argued with simmering intensity the meaning of the chairs in Eugene Ionesco's Les Chaises.     End of story.  I never did figure out why essence preceeds existence, but I've made it thus far in my ignorance, and I'm willing to bet I'll finish the game, never knowing and no worse off for it.

October 27, 2011 6:10 PM
4244 Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 ChefDeb said...

OT completely--PPL thank you for saying Grand Central "Terminal" and not "Station" We chauvinistic proud NYers are grateful...as I am sure the boy in the front of the pretzel wagon was. Coin or no coin, Peter indubitly made the correct decision, for him, I am sure. Nice tale. WHATDOYOUMEANTOOMUCHESPRESSO?!

October 27, 2011 6:10 PM
4244 Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 ChefDeb said...

PL not PPL

October 27, 2011 6:11 PM
4244 Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 ChefDeb said...

I am trying to do my part for TOMMY's 100...

October 27, 2011 6:13 PM
1-dscn1106-4 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 PARK4 said...

Hello Stoney, you've said much that is quotable today, you have me smiling.  There is a possibility that I might be considering the demise of someone but it's only a daydream, you know?  And Andy, hi and you're welcome.  I love having G.K. read poetry to me every morning.  ChefDeb, et tu?  We all just have the best taste, don't you think? And anyone else, everyone else, Hi to you too.

October 27, 2011 6:15 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Julia Masi said...

Spring - Great minds think alike, especially at 6:03 am. 

October 27, 2011 6:57 PM
1-dscn1106-4 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 PARK4 said...

You do that too, PeterLake?  With cards, too.  With just about anything that I bet myself on, I'll say "one more time, that was practice" until I get the result I want.  Or close to what I want.I bet with myself a lot, if I didn't I probably wouldn't move.  You on the other hand:  how did you get up on that beam and be careful of the marble floor...unless you have on your magic shoes with the springs on the bottom, maybe you ought to come down?

October 27, 2011 7:32 PM
Pecos_tommy 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Tommy Typical said...

I crawl like a viper through these suburban streets and into the Hotel Indigo in Vernon Hills, IL. Baseball, yes. But stirred over this topic and I recall a philosophical slapdown between Sartre and Camus in the early 50's. Despite differences, they always respected anyone who lived authentically. The Eye is creating that "Authentic Coffeehouse" where “I see myself forever and ever as the ridiculous man, ...the wanderer, the restless frustrated artist, the man in love with love, always in search of the absolute, always seeking the unattainable”
― Henry Miller, Stand Still Like the Hummingbird

But always finding a great recipe and a couple of good belly laughs to go with my Sublime Ale.

October 27, 2011 7:34 PM
Me_and_dave 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Andy said...

Me too, trying for Tommy -- maybe if we did the "burp" thing -- that would help

October 27, 2011 7:58 PM
Pecos_tommy 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Tommy Typical said...

P4- Your 6:08 was insightful to the nth. A word for this bird. When called Dumbass from time to time, I often respond "Yes, may I help you?"

Andy- accidentally on purpose burping...

October 27, 2011 8:02 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-5 Georgia said...

  PeterLske, Stoney, TT, roadyacht, And...oh, dear, I lack words and space (i.e., subjective result of For-Itself's organizing relations between external objects, don'tcha know), but I love all of you -- and PL's wondrous tale, the way he speaks of himself in third person, his appreciation of pigeons.... We are a fortunate few, relatively speaking.

October 27, 2011 8:08 PM
10photoviewsCom-100First-comFirst-photo Cassiepants said...

I read with amazement all the writing here and think, 'I could aspire to such wondrous thoughts, but never express them.' And then I realize that if I never say anything, I am like Peter Lake flipping the coin but never committing to a course of action. And so I post, knowing that my understanding of freedom comes from the liberation I felt when I married without following the rules of my family; from moving from a town in Georgia to the outrageous environs of Los Angeles without knowing a soul - and without a job to start me off; and from the choice I have made to love joyously and believe the glass is always full - whether half air and half water or all air - the glass is full.   

October 27, 2011 8:13 PM
Bisa-avatar 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1 JaxZ said...

Park. 6:08. Art.

October 27, 2011 8:15 PM
Pecos_tommy 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Tommy Typical said...

ChefD- You, m'dear are a trouper and you're kindness is only exceeded by your eternal beauty. You give this Sisyphus a reason to push the rock up the hill again.

October 27, 2011 8:19 PM
Pecos_tommy 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Tommy Typical said...

Cassiepants- Love joyously. That is a tumbler full. I'll take a double on the rocks, Cosmic Barkeep.

October 27, 2011 8:23 PM
Pecos_tommy 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Tommy Typical said...

Georgia- I see your love and toss in a couple of blessings into the pot.

October 27, 2011 8:24 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-5 Georgia said...

   Let's hear it for Sisyphus and for rocks. 
 
   Cassiepants, lovely thoughts you give us, and a brave tale.
 
   PL is modest: He doesn't stop at coin-flipping, truth be told.
 
 
Night, all.... kisses and hugs

October 27, 2011 8:38 PM
Paolo 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 paolos said...

Ah, Georgia, I just missed you. Tonight, I was one of eleven watching a dress rehearsal of our local school's one act Antigone.  A modern adaptation and quite good. Anyone worried about putting theatre into the hands of the next generation can rest assured that these youngsters are more than just good hands.  My fifteen year old had a small part and I am proud to report that it was a serious production by a serious group of thespians.

October 27, 2011 8:39 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 hazel leese said...

Just woke up from a sofa snooze and read all the posts since ..... my, what splendid company I keep. It's duvet time in Wales, nos da, you wonderful people. x

October 27, 2011 8:40 PM
Bisa-avatar 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1 JaxZ said...

Nos da Haze! xo

October 27, 2011 8:44 PM
Paolo 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 paolos said...

PeterLake ~ I stopped at our local library several weeks ago and there on the one dollar shelf was a perhaps once read copy of  Winter's Tale.  I snatched it up and will give it another read one day soon, soon after we have the chimney sweep visit and perform his magic.

October 27, 2011 8:46 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 hazel leese said...

And a specal one for Tommy. x

October 27, 2011 8:52 PM
Paolo 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 paolos said...

MOOSELOOP ~ Are you out there? I wanted to ask you if you had a taste of the Northern Lights a few nights ago.  Did anyone else?  The report was that there was a vivid display as far south as North Georgia.  

October 27, 2011 9:01 PM
Bisa-avatar 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1 JaxZ said...

Completely Off Topic, but so strange I have to mention it.... been getting some strange hits on my website from countries I've written commentary about in addition to posting news stories. Sometimes I do a little analytical postulating, it's hard not to when you take in such a large quantity of news on one basic subject.

The way my site is set up I can track quite a lot of information on many of the hits, for instance I know when Spring has read one, or Hazel. I can also tell some not so friendly things. Been having a bit of a hunt these past few weeks figuring out what's what.

Today I was trolling through trying to figure out why I was coming out so high in searches in Viet Nam of all places and right below my website, which was the first three hits on the page were two Peterman's Eye "snapshots" of my Eyedentity. Not posts, you can see that in a google search in the US, and I obviously don't have my name anywhere in the open on this site, but there it was, surrounded by Vietnamese, under my site which DOES have my full name.

Curiouser and curiouser.

October 27, 2011 9:09 PM
Bisa-avatar 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1 JaxZ said...

Mr. P, have you been leaving my business cards lying around in som Vietnam bazaar?

October 27, 2011 9:11 PM
Bisa-avatar 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1 JaxZ said...

My goodness I need new glasses! Too many hours on the 'puter today

October 27, 2011 9:12 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1 bebe said...

PARK.................if I youtubed or could actually do anything other than type I would send you Cat Stevens singing "Wild World" for your, as JAX  so brilliantly wrote, "Art."...................oh baby, baby......................
 
STONEY.........................creamed tuna on toast..................mmmmmmmmmm.............. 

October 27, 2011 9:17 PM
Bisa-avatar 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1 JaxZ said...

bebe!!!❤ XXOO

October 27, 2011 9:20 PM
10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Stoney said...


Because I couldn't agree more…

http://youtu.be/DHXpnZi9Hzs

October 27, 2011 9:27 PM
1-dscn1106-4 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 PARK4 said...

you're so dear, all of you.  it's nos da time here in my little corner of Wisconsin, see ya'll sometime in the a.m. after I've listened to my (Writer's) Almanac.

October 27, 2011 9:33 PM
Bisa-avatar 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1 JaxZ said...

'Night PARK. xxoo

October 27, 2011 9:35 PM
Bisa-avatar 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1 JaxZ said...

100 *whew*

October 27, 2011 9:40 PM
Bisa-avatar 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1 JaxZ said...

đêm tất cả mọi người tốt !

October 27, 2011 9:42 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1 bebe said...

JAXXY JAX..............double heart back........................
 
STONEY................I clicked on it & it said Cat Stevens..................yay! I can't see it, but I think you are wonderful to do that!
 
Completely OT.............may I express my love of Maria Bello in the show Prime Suspect? Yes I know it's not Helen Mirren, but she is good & believable. ( & Helen Mirren gave the show her blessing. She is a completely classy woman...............)

October 27, 2011 10:00 PM
Bisa-avatar 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1 JaxZ said...

Good night bebe Sweetheart! Hope I didn't bore everyone away. Come out and play guys, I'm going! ;)

October 27, 2011 10:03 PM
Bisa-avatar 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1 JaxZ said...

Yes, Dame Mirren (if she's not a Dame she damn well should be) is amazing!

October 27, 2011 10:09 PM
Paolo 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 paolos said...

Jax ~ Have you run into anyone feeling condemned to be free lately?  Maybe
I just missed something in translation.  I like Robert Frost's take on it.
 
You must have read the famous valentine
Pericles sent Auspice in absentia:


For God himself the height of
feeling free

Must have been His success in
simile

When at sight of you He thought
of me.


I bet even Stoney would like that one.
 
How hard it is to keep from being King
When it’s in you and in the situation.
And that is half the trouble with the world
(Or more than half I’m half inclined to say).”



October 27, 2011 10:37 PM
Photo 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Peter Lake said...

G'night all...... Don't bite the bed bugs.

Came to me as I was rowing a while ago...... Is karma freedom's governor?

Catch ta'll on the flip side. I do appreciate the gift of everyone's posts today....

October 27, 2011 10:39 PM
10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Mooseloop said...

Park4 - Thanks for the deep thoughts and the sunset verses! Your tip on the Almanac is a good one.
 
Stoney - Great insights and comments! You are so right about those who use freedom to defy all of society's regulations in order to end up behind bars, or making a mess in an otherwise lovely park. Wonder if the grandkid got the implication of your offer..."Anything you want at all, I'll be glad to give...I love you so much." I like that. And for your noticing that some of us are optimistic enough to be constantly grateful....I am, and likewise, awake each day to be surprised at how well my life has turned out. "Put parentheses of gratitude around each day, morning and night."
 
Love Hazel's and others nod to the joys of walking along the beach with a child...the wonder, the newness, the sheer discovery of an ocean's edge are all blessings for which to be grateful
 
Cassiepants - Congrats on exercising your freedom to leave GA and go West, and be happy about it. I, too, went the road less traveled, the diverging path, and completely rejected my mother's script for me, and have no regrets. Freedom to chose is a powerful thing. Sure, I've made some mistakes, but not as many as the shining memories I've gathered up.  I also married against mother's wishes, and learned that she was not always right. Her refusing to speak to me for 11 yrs. was her loss.
 
Georgia - Thanks for saying nice things about the whole group....I concur.
 
TT- I truly like your "authentic coffeehouse" image! It is dark, but candles are all around...There is a guy all in black at the mic reading his poem and everyone is relaxed, sipping a favorite libation from a little cup, and the atmosphere is "anything goes" kind of laid back freedom.....Of course, we are not breaking any laws or hurting anyone, but just being cool...I'll have a snifter of Sambuca with coffee, and more pillows here, please!
 
Paolos - I did go out into the night about midnight, and only say what looked like streaks of undulating light...not the colors I had expected. But, my deck is so surrounded with tall hardwoods that I do not have a good view of the north sky....I can mostly see south and east clearly, and of course, straight up....scads of stars, Milky Way, a few recognizable constellations, but not really what I have seen in videos or TV as "aurora borealis." I will ask my friend who hangs out in the observatory. There are 2 large telescopes nearby in the Tellus Museum of Cartersville, and another in Young Harris College 2 hrs. north of me.
 
It has been a good day in the Eye Village, folks....kudos to all for the mental gymnastics here! Kierkegaard who espoused in his existentialism that we have no meaning except what we give ourselves by our choices, and that our purpose in life is to live "passionately and sincerely" would have been pleased to share this site, I think. Goodnight....!
 
 

October 27, 2011 10:41 PM
4224 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 RoadYacht said...

and a quote from Dan Rowen to Dick Martin (Laugh in) "Say Good Night Dick"   "Good Night Dick"

October 27, 2011 11:03 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1 bebe said...

PAOLOS..................Beautiful, thank you..................
 
JAX...............goodnight beautiful one......................
 
JANE......................hullllllooooooooooooo.............in case you check in.........................

October 27, 2011 11:09 PM
Bisa-avatar 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1 JaxZ said...

As you knows so well Paolos, I never have. Only condemned to be slaves. This isn't a discussion my peasants mind can grasp. I work with tangible realities that crush me with a burned and beaten child's pair of arms tightly hugging my neck. I don't need someone's view or philosophy to work my life out, I just do it. Sometimes I am content to be simple minded and try to speak the simple truth.

October 27, 2011 11:23 PM
4244 Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 ChefDeb said...

But BEBE the goofy little hats?

October 27, 2011 11:24 PM
4244 Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 ChefDeb said...

TOMMY well aren't you the sweetest thing! I'll join you in that cafe anytime...

October 27, 2011 11:34 PM
25891 Com-100First-comHr-1Hr-5 rapidgirl said...

A little different take, and far too late to be seen by anyone, I'm sure:

"You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once." - Robert Heinlein, The Lives of Lazarus Long

October 27, 2011 11:42 PM
4224 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 RoadYacht said...

isn't that a twist on those that would give up privacy for security deserve neither (a paraphrase)

October 27, 2011 11:56 PM
25891 Com-100First-comHr-1Hr-5 rapidgirl said...

RY, very probably.

October 28, 2011 12:03 AM
Pecos_tommy 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Tommy Typical said...

100% of nothing is nothing. But the third time is truly a charm. I am now freely condemned to enjoy the pure unadulterated joy of this garden of 3- 100 plus days of earthly delight becoming moment by moment Vonnegut's bugs in amber.

October 28, 2011 12:17 AM
Pecos_tommy 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Tommy Typical said...

Existential Curtain Call-Johnny Depp on Letterman tonight circa 11:16 Chitown time describing meeting Hunter S Thompson for the first time at a bar, in Aspen, with a taser shouting "out of my way, you bastards!"

October 28, 2011 12:24 AM
4224 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 RoadYacht said...

Did he have his Large Polynesian Atty with him?

October 28, 2011 12:36 AM
10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Stoney said...


Ah Jax ~
The category of persons who pray is very large.
The category of persons who are the answer to those prayers, very small.
You are something special.

October 28, 2011 4:27 AM
13091 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 janej78 said...

I agree with you Stoney, Jax is indeed something special. Very special.  
Jax, I don't like that your eyedentity is turning up in odd places. Being so untech savvy, I get nervous about stuff like that. ❤
Tommy, can you hear me? Another day over 100.
Bebe...I wasn't planning to join the discussion tonight, but since you called my name, here I am. Hey darlin'... ❤
Cassiepants, really liked your 8:08
P4, Cool!
Paolo, everyone else..very enjoyable posts.

October 28, 2011 6:47 AM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1 bebe said...

CHEFD..................but only to hold your luscious plum crisp...............and then some dear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A very nice treat to see you so late ( or early in my case!)
 
JANE......................ha, you heard me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Such a nice thing to see your name when I click on & I agree w/ you & STONEY......................she IS very special, ain't we lucky?????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just imagine you eating some kind of great pastry or bread today. I don't know why, I just do.
 
CASSIEP.......................I went back & read your 8:08....................what a great seize life by the horns way to live.........................you CHOSE that & as IVAN would say, "Good on you!"
 
I love this site!

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Hi JP. Thanks for the Janice link. It never gets old. And neither does Sartre. Existentially...

-Gia

Oct. 27, 2011 11:36 AM

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