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The above was supposedly spoken by Napoleon, referring to his first sighting of Elba.

Palingrams are phrases that read the same backwards and forwards. Horizontal and vertical, if need be.

It's basically the same as a palindrome, which is a single word that can be read the same in all those directions.

Not to be confused with a Palindrone, which is indecipherable in any direction.

What got me thinking about all this was getting a group email we all hate and we all read.

“I am sending this only to my smart friends. I could not figure it out and had to look at the answer. See if you can figure out what these words have in common.”

1. Banana
2. Dresser
3. Grammar
4. Potato
5. Revive
6. Uneven
7. Assess

Take a moment if you'd like.

Okay, you're back.

Yes, it's true if you removed the first letter of each you would have a perfectly imperfect palindrome, with the only problem being none them are real words.

The answer? These are the only words in the English language that if you stuck the first letter on the end, it would read the same backwards.

Grammar. rammarG.

Welcome to our Friday Lite Language series.

Are you still with me?

Palindromes occur in many western languages, but they are particularly prevalent in English due to the wide variety of reversible letter pairs within words.

Finnish, however, has been described as "the language of palindromes."

I (a perfect palindrome) could cite a few lengthy examples but that would probably finish off this post.

According to Bill Bryson's “Mother Tongue: English & How It Got That Way," palindromes are at least 2,000 years old.

The ancient Greeks inscribed the palindrome "ΝΙΨΟΝΑΝΟΜΗΜΑΤΑΜΗΜΟΝΑΝΟΨΙΝ" in lavatories, meaning "Wash the sin as well as the face."

Thought you’d want to know that.

The longest palindrome in the English language is REDIVIDER. Racecar is another classic example.

And, besides Napoleon's, phrases: MADAM I'M ADAM. Do geese see God? Was it Eliot's toilet I saw? Never odd or even.

Then there are palindromic numbers like 58285. And we'll try to remind each other on the next palindromic date, 01/1/10.

A musical palindrome, like parts of Bach's "Crab Canon," is a great way to exercise your eyes, fingers, brain and make you a better sight-reader.

And, of course, anyway you look at it you’re always free to drome on in the Eye.

The Eye being, as your own keen eyes have noticed, a perfect palindrome.

J. Peterman

 

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October 23, 2009 12:50 AM
4224 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1 RoadYacht said...

if you take the first letter of eat and add it to the end, you get ate

October 23, 2009 12:51 AM
4224 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1 RoadYacht said...

but when you stand up,where does your lap go?!?

October 23, 2009 2:47 AM
4080 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-5 Bert said...

RoadYacht:   This  topic  may  or  may  not  be  a  stellar  success  today.   It  will  be  interesting  to  see  who  does  well  and  gets  deep  into  the  subject  matter.  People  have  different  kinds  of  intelligence,   not  just  identical  intelligence  in  different  degrees.   Sit  back  and  watch,   as  the  games  begin.

October 23, 2009 5:08 AM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-5 Julia Masi said...

This  should be entertaining but I'll probably sit this one out.  The only one I can think of at this hour is something I heard T.V.host Dick Cavett say about  former VP  Spiro Agnew's name.  You can rearrange the letter to spell: 

grow a penis
 
It was hilarious when I was 12. 

October 23, 2009 5:58 AM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1 bebe said...

JULIA- you made my day! RY- are you on goofball pills this early? BERT- no fear that I will be taking the group by storm. I can see Olivia taking the site by storm- w/ Park & Cuukoo gainin on her.
Have a wonderful day- am still dreaming of ham....mmmm.....

October 23, 2009 7:16 AM
3905 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1 cuukoo1 said...

was it a car or a cat i saw?
 
 
 
 
 

October 23, 2009 7:23 AM
3905 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1 cuukoo1 said...

dammit, i'm mad! 
So many dynamos!
 
 
 

October 23, 2009 7:32 AM
3905 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1 cuukoo1 said...

y'all have a good one....it's finally stopped raining here..

October 23, 2009 8:02 AM
4080 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-5 Bert said...

BEBE:  I  don't  suppose  that  while  you  are  away  you  could  snag  one  of  those  yummy  Dagwood  Bumstead  overstuffed  ham  sandwiches  for  me?   Pretty  please...

October 23, 2009 8:56 AM
4224 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1 RoadYacht said...

goofball pills?   mah ham, to be et, has not been yet. Toast, to be toasted. Eggs unscrambled,coffee undripped. And yet, I do not fret.

October 23, 2009 9:10 AM
4080 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-5 Bert said...

Another  glorious  day,  and  the  usual  suspects  assemble,   still  struggling  with  awakening,    and  so  I  guard  closely  my  pot  of  expresso,  made  up  as  though  it  were  ordinary  drip  coffee.   
 
I  am  usually  not  much  of  a  clothes  horse,  I  buy  good  stuff  that  lasts  forever,  in  styles  that  are  classical,  and  I  don't  allow  my  girth  to  increase.   I  did  notice,  however,  a  really  nice  Royal  Air  Force  prototype  flyer's  scarf.   Peterman  is  dangling  morsels  of  his  newest  catalog  in  the  margins,   luring  unsuspecting  posters  into  his  virtual  sales  room.....beware.

October 23, 2009 9:28 AM
3905 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1 cuukoo1 said...

. .-.. ...- .. ... / .-.. .. ...- . ...

October 23, 2009 9:40 AM
1521 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1 Shandonista said...

Our host writes: 
 
"The longest palindrome in the English language is REDEVIDER."
 
It would be, if it were spelled correctly.

October 23, 2009 9:58 AM
4220 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Daniel Zev said...

A slut nixes sex in Tulsa.

October 23, 2009 10:37 AM
557 First-comHr-1 jfellrath said...

Drat, such custard!

October 23, 2009 10:46 AM
First-com RScott said...

Doc, note. I dissent. A fast never prevents a fatness. I diet on cod.

October 23, 2009 10:48 AM
10videoviewsFirst-comFirst-photoFirst-video just34me said...

Not enought coffee for wordsmithing.  It does have it's own disease though.  FYI.  For those more science types.   Palindromic Rheumatism derives its name from the term "palindrome" - emphasizing how the illness begins and ends in a similar way.

October 23, 2009 10:58 AM
1521 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1 Shandonista said...

Yay!!  Our host is, or was, with us today!!
 
 

October 23, 2009 11:15 AM
3905 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1 cuukoo1 said...

iwondering what it means? redivider

October 23, 2009 11:49 AM
10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 nachista said...

It's 9:43 and my brian hurts already!  This sort of reminds me of chiasmus a little bit.

October 23, 2009 11:52 AM
1177 Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 JALOPKIN said...

Must be something like a, Turkey Milker .......

October 23, 2009 12:10 PM
141 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Peter Lake said...

If pumpkin pancakes were palindromes, I'd have a lot to say today. .... But I wouldn't ‘cos I couldn't since it isn't polite to talk with your mouth full.


Peace out


October 23, 2009 12:29 PM
3905 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1 cuukoo1 said...

pumpkin pancakes with a side of petit jean ham........

October 23, 2009 12:59 PM
First-comHr-1 House Guest said...

This was kind of a throw-away observation by a friend.

"Those Iraqi nuclear facilities must use a lot of power and it comes from somewhere that is probably knowable. A big, probably black and heavy extension cord could be either interrupted or followed to its source and that taken out."

"In the long run, the Iraqi populace might prefer, for a while, to sit around in the dark than to glow in it."

October 23, 2009 1:33 PM
141 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Peter Lake said...

House Guest..... I think that thought just might be a keeper..... under the catagory of "I hope you realize that it could have been a whole lot worse". Well met again Traveler.... give Stoney a nudge for me.

October 23, 2009 1:39 PM
141 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Peter Lake said...

"pumpkin pancakes with a side of petit jean ham........" and an English muffin that sends rivers of butter over the side whenever you bite into it....... extra napkins please...

October 23, 2009 1:43 PM
3001 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1 Miss Blue said...

I prefer sweet potato biscuits.

October 23, 2009 1:46 PM
141 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Peter Lake said...

and thesepia train's "Casually Elegant Breackfast Buffet Car' was born this day......

October 23, 2009 1:47 PM
141 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Peter Lake said...

but it's spelled correctly on the sign over the door....

October 23, 2009 2:01 PM
3001 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1 Miss Blue said...

 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


more latte' for Peter Lake

October 23, 2009 2:10 PM
3001 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1 Miss Blue said...

 
 
oh, by the way Roadyacht
 
next Thursday is Tin Foil Day at my daughter's school( in preperation for Homecoming)

October 23, 2009 2:35 PM
4080 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-5 Bert said...

Miss  Blue,   at  your  daughter's  school,   is  the  tin  foil  used  to  make  protective  headgear  so  that  aliens  cannot  penetrate  the  children's  minds?   

October 23, 2009 2:55 PM
1198 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Doc Nolan said...

I can't explain why, but certain activities (scrabble, chess, palindromes, Go, doing mathematical proofs, and charades, just to name a few) always seem tedious work to me....  Have fun, guys, and I'll see you tomorrow....

October 23, 2009 3:40 PM
4080 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-5 Bert said...

Doc  Nolan:   Don't  feel  inept  or  unintelligent.   Smart  people  often  process  information  differently,  or   stated  differently,  two  people  with  identical  IQ  scores  will  each  have  subjects  in  which  they  do  very  well,  whereas  the  other  person  is  only  average.   Things  like  math  and  language  come  to  mind.   We  all  know  you  are  smart,  so  is  Jalopkin,  so  are  many  posters  here,  but  not  with  the  exact  same  talents.
Me?   Time  to  shower,  put  on  respectable  clothes,  and  try  not   to  embarrass  my  dinner  date.   But  1st  I  need  some  dark  roast,  to  "jump  start"  my  brain....long,  long  week.  Monsoon  season  here,  rains  all  day  &  night.

October 23, 2009 3:41 PM
800 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Michael said...

My brain is fried today.  So, instead I shall quote my favorite philosopher:
 
"I can count to potato!" - Ralph Wiggum

October 23, 2009 4:27 PM
First-com geri said...

I am still on the ham and buttermilk biscuits (Sunday morning fare). My brain enjoys clever people but I am not one of them.

October 23, 2009 4:31 PM
2631 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1 korthal said...

Yes I sey!!
 
Misspelled but I'm with MICHAEL. FRIED.
 
The new computer is up and running good.
 
I've started to bring the plants into the house, SPACE, I need more SPACE!!!
 
A greenhouse would be wonderful.
 
The CEREUS is taking over, along with the angel wing bigonias, cactus and avacado trees.

October 23, 2009 5:20 PM
141 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Peter Lake said...

and a very nice one indeed!

October 23, 2009 5:55 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-5 Julia Masi said...

What in the world is tin foil day?  Are you supposed to wear an outfit fashioned out of tin foil or bring a roll to donate to the homeless?  We just had pocket day at my local school.  The kids prepare by asking people  many pockets they have on their clothes and tally them up in several different ways.    I have no idea why.

October 23, 2009 6:28 PM
376 10photoviewsCom-100First-comFirst-photoHr-1 Shibbolethian said...

“Dammit I’m mad.
Evil is a deed as I live.
God, am I reviled? I rise, my bed on a sun, I melt.
To be not one man emanating is sad. I piss.
Alas, it is so late. Who stops to help?
Man, it is hot. I’m in it. I tell.
I am not a devil. I level “Mad Dog”.
Ah, say burning is, as a deified gulp,
In my halo of a mired rum tin.
I erase many men. Oh, to be man, a sin.
Is evil in a clam? In a trap?
No. It is open. On it I was stuck.
Rats peed on hope. Elsewhere dips a web.
Be still if I fill its ebb.
Ew, a spider… eh?
We sleep. Oh no!
Deep, stark cuts saw it in one position.
Part animal, can I live? Sin is a name.
Both, one… my names are in it.
Murder? I’m a fool.
A hymn I plug, deified as a sign in ruby ash.
A Goddam level I lived at.
On mail let it in. I’m it.
Oh, sit in ample hot spots. Oh wet!
A loss it is alas (sip). I’d assign it a name.N
ame not one bottle minus an ode by me:
“Sir, I deliver. I’m a dog”
Evil is a deed as I live.
Dammit I’m mad.

Now read it backwards. Demetri Martin, ladies and gentlemen.

October 23, 2009 6:50 PM
4080 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-5 Bert said...

Geri:   Cut  yourself  some  slack...."clever"  is  not  all  it's  cracked  up  to  be.
 
Korthal:   Save  some  avacados  for  me,  or  at  least  use  one  of  those  giant  seeds  to  start  me  a  tree.
 
Julia:  Tin  foil  is  often  thought  to  be  insulation  against  alien  intruders   trying  to  control  your  brain.  This  concept  evolves  into  creative  aluminum  foil  headware.....at  facilities  for  the  paranoid.
 
The  rain  is  coming  down  really  hard,  nevertheless  my  kid  informed  me  that  she  wants   me  OUT....lol    Hasta  manana...

October 23, 2009 7:00 PM
3905 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1 cuukoo1 said...

you beat me to it bert.....geri, bert is right...! and i like ham and buttermilk biscuits, but not with each other..don't do gravy either..even though i make it....and i've never had a canned ham..although i have had canned biscuits......go figure...

October 23, 2009 7:01 PM
4121 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-5 PARK4 said...

I'm no good at word games, I can't do 'em, I leave them to you smart people.  I need to keep my words orderly or I worry that one day I'll look at them in disarray and find that they make more sense that way than the other.
 
 
Houseguest:  So good, a definite keeper.  Gee, but you remind me of someone with similar verbal abilities.  Can't think of who, now.
 
Enjoy your evening, Eye Villagers.  Better grab your umbrella for the dash to thesepia train, it's 'raining all over the world', it seems...

October 23, 2009 7:35 PM
3374 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300First-comFirst-photoHr-1 Penn said...

PARK, yeah it's raining all over my world, and isn't it romantic?  Time to light some matches under the wood in the fireplace...

October 23, 2009 7:52 PM
175 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1 Andy said...

love it Daniel.

October 23, 2009 7:59 PM
3374 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300First-comFirst-photoHr-1 Penn said...

Oh heh. I finally GOT it, DV.  Call me        s      l     o     w     .

October 23, 2009 8:22 PM
First-com offhandmanor said...

Hello, I'm new, and will try to say something worth saying. First, I think the "eye" that sees the words above (at least quickly) as transformable by dropping the first letter must be the eye that quickly apprehends things like Escher drawings, or even blueprints . . .unfortunately, that's not my eye; the written word goes directly to my overdeveloped etymology/analogy/analysis center . . .So, though I know the palindrome of Elba, the way it struck me was as a curious welcome to the site, as I happen to have been pursuing a maggot regarding Napoleon and his long and curious afterlife in the culture (particularly in song, but "Able was I" is certainly a serendipitously first day at this site!)
Myself, I've always assumed he said something like "Merde", but probably in Corsican!

October 23, 2009 8:39 PM
4121 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-5 PARK4 said...

Michael!
 
I just saw the "potato"  post.
 
Funny!, and me too, me too.
 
 
 
over and out...
 

October 23, 2009 9:54 PM
800 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Michael said...

Park4: We all must take our wisdom where we find it.

October 23, 2009 10:19 PM
800 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Michael said...

I believe tonight is a good night to sit on the end of the Sepia-Caboose and watch the world go by backwards.

October 23, 2009 10:25 PM
3374 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300First-comFirst-photoHr-1 Penn said...

Michael, GREAT one!

October 23, 2009 11:58 PM
10videoviewsFirst-comFirst-photoFirst-video just34me said...

Finally, after the coffee, the day, the wine...
I yam, may I?
wisdom? found with hubby who finally made it home. And was helpful!

October 24, 2009 1:06 AM
141 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Peter Lake said...

just34me - Welcome to the EyE.  Thanks for contributing.

October 24, 2009 1:11 AM
1177 Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 JALOPKIN said...

Very Kind of you Bert, but you're just saying that cuz its True .......

October 24, 2009 3:05 PM
4121 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-5 PARK4 said...

Michael:  "watching the world go by backwards."  Wow.  I'm with Penn on that -- so good.   I'll join you next time, out there, if I may.

October 24, 2009 11:17 PM
1177 Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 JALOPKIN said...

PARK4:  Some things backwards ain't so bad ..............

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