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Gender Bender

January 11, 2012

Let’s see, I’ll get Nicholas the Nerf Vortex Nitron Blaster and Isabella an American Girl Doll

Easy, isn’t it?

Not anymore.

Peggy Orenstein, author of “Cinderella Ate My Daughter: Dispatches From the Front Lines of the New Girlie-Girl Culture,” reports in The New York Times that Hamleys, "London’s 251-year-old version of F.A.O. Schwarz, recently dismantled its pink “girls” and blue “boys” sections in favor of a gender-neutral store with red-and-white signage."

The latest cute-kid video, as she points out, to go viral on YouTube is “Riley on Marketing,” which shows a little girl in front of a wall of pink packaging, asking, “Why do all the girls have to buy pink stuff and all the boys have to buy different-color stuff?” 

In the 70s, feminist educational researchers first studied the implications of the tendency for girls to play with dolls, and for boys to play with cars.

We found out girls developed their communication skills while boys' toys encouraged them to grow up with better technical knowledge.

Nice and cozy.

Then in the 80s, girls performed well in all those so-called boys' pursuits like science and math.

Those facts didn't reach the toy market since they're still stereotyping.

Today, even worse than ever.

Pink for girls has become a national obsession.

Mixed into all this is a 2005 study, looking at the play of young primates, by psychologist Professor Melissa Hines of Cambridge University, who found that when offered a variety of toys, female monkeys tended to gravitate towards dolls and soft toys, while males chose toy cars.

Now that we know what to get monkeys, what are we to do?

Are toys engendering stereotypes?

Or is it finally time to "man" up and realize there are far less differences than we thought.

J. Peterman

 

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January 11, 2012 12:15 AM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 lotlot said...

When we were boys, we did not have toy cars.

So we shoved blocks of wood -- our pretend cars -- down make-believe roads in the gravel driveway and made sounds like car motors.

Booooddddeeeennnn. Booooddddeeeennnn.

Happily we traveled.

Down the boyhood road of life.

Kept us in the pink.

January 11, 2012 12:24 AM
4224 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 RoadYacht said...

OH PLEEEEZE! it hasn't been pink for girlz,nor blue for boyz, since it became GREEN FOR ALL (that being the cry from the party planners,list managers,etc.,etc.)...  Am I being Cynical?....been to a "Bridal Emporium" lately?....one stop shopping,parking included,(next to a hot dog 'joint' a +)everything you need, under one roof! clothes,food,linen, flowers,music,....and then...THEN, is the 'guy' stuff....a tux, (previously worn),by  someone, again(possibly) with a distinct revulsion to shellfish..(EEEWWW!)..OMG!...forgot! It is about  the,er,Male, right?...No, this is about the Pink for Girls....

January 11, 2012 12:28 AM
P1010179 10photoviewsCom-100First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewHr-1 S. A. J. Johnson said...

Every time I see a little baby completely decked out in pink, I want to ask the parent, "is it a girl or a boy?" just to goad them.  At one time, gender roles were more important than they are for today's society.  The "princess craze" is entirely out of hand, in my opinion.

January 11, 2012 1:10 AM
Sarah2 10photoviewsFirst-comFirst-photoHr-1 Dash said...

Don't know nuttin' bout babies.

January 11, 2012 1:45 AM
1014 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 karma swim swami said...

I am putting aside gender differences to call attention to the Sumatran earthquake (Richter 7.1). I hope SF is seeking higher ground as Tasmania is close enough to get tsunami-pummeled.

Higher ground than today's topic should be easy to reach. The lead-in post doesn't attain velocity to escape the gravitation of its stereotypes.

January 11, 2012 3:51 AM
Stage_2 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 JALOPKIN said...

As long as Girls' Beach Volleyball is still play'd ... I don't care what they wear .......

January 11, 2012 7:01 AM
1014 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 karma swim swami said...

As I said, higher ground...

January 11, 2012 7:27 AM
10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Lynn830 said...

While folks may choose all sorts of vocations and avocations, there is still the hardwiring of the reproductive system.  Our granddaughter reached for the baby doll when she was old enough to walk, instinctively knew how to carry it, and got upset if you picked it up wrong.  She still does.  She will also play with blocks and an occasional car, but she is a female.  She could become an electrical engineer if she wishes.  But there are certain essential elements, politics be damned.

January 11, 2012 8:15 AM
Pecos_tommy 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Tommy Typical said...

My favorite dress shirt is a bright pink Polo- my favorite casual shirt is pink or lime green or my 40 year old Purple Alligator LaCoste and my fav Zip Up is a Tommy Bahama peachy color. I like Pastels and tropical colors just because I do. No gender thing at all. Cars must be red, yellow, or green for me and I name every car and they are all females because I find machines to be sassy and sexy. Toy manufacturers have one motive & that is sales and profit nothing more complicated or sinister than that. Dennis the Menace would play dolls with Margaret but only after she agreed to be a party to one of his plots. Action figures are dolls with attitude and superpowers. I like anything that gets kids outside so they move. Chasing girls on the playground was a grand game. The big problem is sitting in front of a game system on their butts eating junk. Go outside and poke yourself with a stick or use your sister's American Girl for a VooDoo doll and put a curse on Buzz.

January 11, 2012 8:35 AM
Myself 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Spring Fragrance said...

I wouldn't mind pink except for the statement it makes, although hmmmm....a SHOCKING pink might make it spoofy....

January 11, 2012 8:38 AM
Myself 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Spring Fragrance said...

thanks KSS for your concern. A tsunami alert was cancelled. It being so close to the area last hit in 2006 it did bring some unpleasant memories. An ex schoolmate had died in phuket then 

January 11, 2012 8:38 AM
1521 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-5 Shandonista said...

I am reminded of the adage:  All generalizations are false, including this one.
 
As someone fairly fresh from the trenches of toddler-corraling, I have to add that gender differences are pretty obvious, even to my untrained eye.  Dudes like machines and stuff that might potentially go boom and chicks like pink and copying mommy and making people happy.  But not always.
 
I worry less about what sort of toys they choose and more about the other aspects of stereotypical gender roles, e.g. that males are encouraged to be assertive in asking for what they want while females who do so are seen as pushy and unpleasant (or worse).
 
Whether consciously or unconsiously, we all reinforce these behaviours in children, but just YOU try telling your daughter she can't wear that Snow White dress for the fifth day in a row..... 
 

January 11, 2012 8:48 AM
Poison_dart_frog_2 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1 Miss Blue said...

vive la différence!

 

Neutrality be damned.


 Shandonista, for us it was the ballerina princess outfit( pink n white sequins and tulle, complete with crown).

January 11, 2012 9:36 AM
10photoviewsCom-100First-comFirst-photo SkyWalker said...

And so what is wrong with girls being different from boys? @ Miss Blue - too right! I've always been kinda sad that I don't really look my best in pink.

Wait! I've got an idea. How about we educate people so that when they become parents they are functionally able to let their children, whether boys or girls, choose their toys. Of course, this would require actual thinking.....

I miss my parents! They were thinkers.

January 11, 2012 9:37 AM
10photoviewsCom-100First-comFirst-photo SkyWalker said...

p.s. this crowd are thinkers, too. Thank you!

January 11, 2012 9:53 AM
10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Mooseloop said...

Sorry to fly in the face of the stereotype, but I was never a pink ruffles, baby dolls, play ironing board/vacuum cleaner, girly kind of girl. I had friends who were also outside girls (one had 3 brothers), and we built tree houses, played war, and chased each other as cowboys and Indians all over our little town in central Florida. We rode bikes, climbed trees, and swung on sack swings. No princesses in sight! I had a book with me most of the time, and read a lot.

Likewise, my own daughter...no frilly pink lass was she. Now, she is a math and science person with reasonable housekeeping skills, but prefers biking, running, bowling, or outside sports. And then, her daughter, my grandkid ( age, almost 10), is also not a princess pink polly...She plays basketball, karate, bikes, runs, swims, and likes to paint or do pottery. She left the pink behind when she was 3, and had one friend who tried to get her into dance in a pink tutu. After that, she rejected the pink and prissy. She is a thinking kind of kid, and seems very happy that way. She loves to find bugs, leaves, and explore the outdoors. For example, she called me two nights ago to tell me she has been using the telescope I had given her, and was examining the full moon for a while, and had a good time....

I do see the genders breaking down the stereotypes in long hair on boys, more bright colors for male clothing (as TT noted), and plenty of outdoor gear for both sexes. Let's not pigeonhole either one,a nd let them find their niche.

January 11, 2012 10:01 AM
1521 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-5 Shandonista said...

Like Moose, I was not into pink and prissy. Dolls were boring and no one wore princess outfits. I played with the two boys down the street; we spent time exploring the woods, building forts, and damming up the ditches and creeks we found. I must admit to being a Barbie fanatic, though, because I liked making up characters and stories and all the building and set-up. Have to do something on a rainy day!

January 11, 2012 11:10 AM
10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Rusty said...

I was an only child, and my father decided sometime before I was old enought to know that his daughter was a personand he would just wait and see how that was going to operate.  Thank goodness my wonderful mom felt the same way.  At seven I was crawling under our house to help Daddy fix the joist under my bedroom floor.  By nine a could name all the tools we used to repair the the house or build a see-saw.   
 
One the other side of the coin I loved to dress up in pretty dresses and was often told, "You were born a lady,  bred a lady, and you'll stay a lady if it kills both of us."  Maybe that's why the same Daddy insisted I learn to ride side-saddle. 
 
I've raised three daughters.  They can go from jeans and a sweat shirt to a ball gown with out personality difficulties, and no one has a pink fetish. 

January 11, 2012 11:13 AM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-5 George Hall said...

Miss Blue` I agree with you! I don't believe its news to anyone here that boys and girls are different?! I've loved being male because I fear I would not have loved/admired/revered/been fascinated with  females as much had I been female and I would hate to have missed that. Men and wome are blessed when what they do makes them happy. What one does (woman or man)is not who they are.    

January 11, 2012 11:24 AM
Img00274-20110613-1309 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-5 l marjorie said...

I was a girlie girl. I remember my mother would get me the Shirley Temple dress-up outfit when I was 5-ish.  The outfit was from the adult Shirley Temple who hosted the TV show that showed her old movies. The outfit was a fake mink stole, some fake diamond jewelry and some plastic high heels held onto feet with bands of elastic. I loved it, and I loved my dollies.  But, my best friend was not into dolls at all.  We played horses, pretending we were horses running around the playground. One of my brothers and I played cars and trucks in the back yard. It was essentially like playing dolls--the cars all had names and we made up stories. A good friend of mine has a son who loved playing with Barbies when he was small. He would run around the backyard with them. He's a graduate of Pepperdine now.
 
 I agree with TT above--just get out and play, it doesn't matter which plaything is picked up.
 
One of the best pieces of advise I ever got from my father was telling me to do my homework because he didn't want me to grow up just to clean house. (Of course I still clean house, but it's my own house, and I get my husband to do most of the housework--bless him!)

January 11, 2012 11:41 AM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 hazel leese said...

No frills or pink for me, thanks. I'm amused by my  niece who has everything pink, goes to ballet classes etc. She's the middle one between two brothers who treat her as if she's made of sugar and might dissolve if she got wet in the rain. Where did I go wrong? My brothers, all younger expected me to be leader of the gang and carry the can when we got in trouble.

January 11, 2012 11:48 AM
Img00274-20110613-1309 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-5 l marjorie said...

I don't have kids. This conversation is reminding me of how I played as a child.  There were a bunch of kids in my neighborhood when I was between 8 and 10 years old. During the summer, there were always pick up games going on: baseball in the street, playing cops and robbers on bicycles, Hide and go seek at dusk.  Whomever was around played. Does that still happen anywhere?  I hear about "playdates" and am not really sure what that is.  Are parents really organizing all children play activities?  Don't kids just go out and play?

January 11, 2012 11:54 AM
Img00274-20110613-1309 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-5 l marjorie said...

Hazel, if your little princess niece had been sent out to play in my childhood neighborhood, her pink outfit would have been trashed. Not that the kids were mean, but they were kids. She may have cried, but it would have been good for her. When you're out on the street (and believe me, this was a safe, suburban neighborhood street) you have to live by the rules of the street.  You had to be able to ride the bike up the hill and be able to race back to home base during hide and go seek.  The frilly girlie stuff had its place, but there was a good balance.

January 11, 2012 12:03 PM
10041_445991248814972_692962064_n Com-100Com-300First-comHr-1 The Giraffe said...

TT - Totally agree - men can wear pink and purple and whatever they desire.
I was an only child - my mother was a doctor and could care less.  I kind of raised myself.  My father was too brilliant to be bothered.  Girly I wasn't although I did have flat feet and was sent to ballet lessons to cure the problem.  The problem was that I really liked ballet and rather than give it up according to the prescribed time frame, I continued, dancing with the New York Ballet Co until it was stay on my toes or go to medical school - I did neither and went to Law School.  I always got along well with guys.
For some reason I seemed to produce 4 girls and 1 boy - all tall and thin and into sports as are their children.  We did have TV but it wasn't watched very often.  Same with the grandchildren. 
 
Isn't food being discussed at all today?

January 11, 2012 12:40 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 hazel leese said...

A litttle rhyme I learned as a child:-
 
What are little girls made of?
Sugar and spice and all things nice,
That's what little girls are made of.
What are little boys made of?
Slugs and snails and puppy dogs tails,
That's what little boys are made of.
 
It wasn't for many years that I heard the question "If little girls are made of sugar and spice, how come they taste of tuna fish?"

January 11, 2012 1:00 PM
4244 Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 ChefDeb said...

My 28 year old rockstar son's favorite Christmas present this year was a pink and white shirt from J.Peterman. His girlfriend loves it too.

My daughter changed the exhaust system on her Volvo in the driveway but insists on dressing her daughter in pink so no one will ask what gender she is.

I mostly dress in black but since I am from both New York City and Connecticut when I do wear color its probably pink & green together (I believe its in the Prep Section of the CT Constitution.

I regret not having been here for the Connecticut topic as well as for the topic on book "skipping." To that end I must say, Somerset Maugham, oh yeah. And as to feeling free to read whatever parts I want, I am so relaxed with it that I even only tune into A Prairie Home Companion for the Lake Woebegon monologue. And go ahead, throw away that 3 foot stack of New Yorkers!

January 11, 2012 1:27 PM
Photo 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Peter Lake said...

I think the '60s made it much more difficult to identify gender from the back side when men began sporting long hair and pony tails. Since then clothing has also converged a bit with the popularity of cargo pants and jeans.....but not however to the trained eye.

Another social/fashion blurring of the edges that men and women are sitting side-by-side to get their hair cut and styled. You just don't see too many barber poles, and if you do, the chair cushions are typically cracked and worn and the waiting tables covered in magazines such as Field & Stream, Car&Driver, and Sports Illustrated......usually a decades worth.

Some things never change, and I'm sure glad about that. These are differences that really should be celebrated,

Now as far as male monkeys go, anybody who has ever visited a zoo knows that they don't need any toys at all to have a 'spanking good' time to the horror of the parents who have to come up with some sort of explanation to answer the questions of the inquisitive young children.

January 11, 2012 1:57 PM
10041_445991248814972_692962064_n Com-100Com-300First-comHr-1 The Giraffe said...

Hazel - David said you are priceless!

January 11, 2012 2:31 PM
Cestmoiparis 10photoviewsFirst-comFirst-photoFirst-review Alison said...

There is the "gendered brain," which is an attempt to study, psychologically, neurologically, and bio-organically, the differences between male and female brains. Here's a short article that speaks to this subject, and also provides links to other articles:

http://www.wright.edu/academics/honors/institute/brain/gender.html

I remember saying to students at one point some years ago when this subject came up, as it inevitably does, that in the business world, it made absolutely no sense from a financial and marketing standpoint to divide toys up into pink girl/blue boy toys. You're cutting off half your revenue to spite your face. This meant that the underlying value system had to be much more important than profits, and that is a very interesting reality indeed, for it implies a deep and profound fear, but of what?

I always found it interesting that preserving, and in fact, augmenting, the differences that do exist between men and women has been more important than profits, because it's better for business to be able to sell all products to all kids than it is to sell a truck to 49% of the population and ignore the other 51%. In a society that supposedly falls at the feet of the Almighty Dollar, Big Business has been willing to give up an awful lot of them to maintain the status quo.

So much for the bottom line and worshipping at the shrine of the stockholder...

January 11, 2012 2:40 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 hazel leese said...

Giraffe~ I have just eaten a bowl of pasta and peas (from the garden, stored in the freezer) with fresh mint that is growing on my windowsill, a dollop of very good olive oil, salt, black pepper. Took all of 20 minutes to cook and less than that to eat. And a nice glass of chilled white wine to wash it down. Now .... what to do with the rest of the bottle? Beats prickly Accacia shoots anytime.

January 11, 2012 2:45 PM
Me_and_dave 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Andy said...

With three girls and one boy, five grandsons and five granddaughters, I've found that no matter what the parents push and shove at them, they seem to choose the same things I did as a little girl. The same girls that were "Tomboys" are still Tomboys, and the same boys who didn't like sports, still don't.....but generally speaking, with my small study, they still seem to get into gender identity.  One granddaughter plays baseball with a "boys" team and yet, that same girl saves American Girl dolls. Her brother, raised by the same parents who were oh so careful to introduce both feminine and masculine items into their play, couldn't be more....well, boy, for want of a better way of putting it.  He'd be more apt to take Barbie's appendix out than to play with her.

more on the honor roll
January 11, 2012 3:37 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-5 Georgia said...

with PETERLAKE I agree, as often happens.  And HAZEL, what a grand lunch!  You've made me change my plans for supper.  IVAN, you're gloriously independent. Never change!
 
When I was painting and furnishing nurseries for a boy and a girl, my daughter's was red-and-white striped, with curtains like a circus tent; my son's, several shades of yellow. None of which made not a whit of difference when they began to choose toys (18 months apart, they were all-but-twins).
 
What that proves is exactly nothing, I venture. 

January 11, 2012 3:38 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-5 Georgia said...

oops: sorry about my typo in paragraph two....

January 11, 2012 3:42 PM
1-dscn1106-4 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 PARK4 said...

I think there's plenty of differences between girls and boys, definitely enough to keep romance alive, little babies born, and the world spinning round and round.   It's more about social expectations of the genders, and those have changed, I know this because my daughter climbed trees, and rocks, and built forts, and that was acceptable to anybody who counted.  What she ended up finding out was that boys like few things more than a girl who can help them build a treehouse.  Among other things, but that came later.  Vive la difference, it's still there and doing well and showing no sign of disappearing.

January 11, 2012 3:55 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 hazel leese said...

georgia~ I'm 5 hours ahead of you, so that bowl of pasta was a "Ooops, I have forgotten to eat" type meal.

January 11, 2012 4:01 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 hazel leese said...

The Mystery of Edwin Drude is just starting - any of you get BBC in real time? Can't wait to see what ending they invented for it.

January 11, 2012 4:02 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 hazel leese said...

Drood, not Drude!

January 11, 2012 4:09 PM
Stage_2 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 JALOPKIN said...

MISS BLUE:  I am Right With You !!! "Neutrality Be Damned ..."   causes me to remember the adage, "Lead, Follow, or Get the Hell Out of The Way !!! .......
 
MISS GEORGIA:  I Thank You ... and shall endeavor with great vigor to do exactly as you say .......
 
MISS HAZEL:  ............................ I am Bless'd never to have encounter'd that phenomenon you mention ....... I give Thanks for that ... Had it ever presented itself to me, I should surely have become a Hermit, never have married nor sired Children ... Egad, the marvels I would have miss'd !!!!!!! My sincere condolences to those so afflicted with the devil's doin's .......

January 11, 2012 4:35 PM
P8041286 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300First-comFirst-photoHr-1 IvyGailWinds said...

gay meant happy and still does...when pussy meant pussy cat and still does....akso the "pussywillow," we had bushes in our yard; and I collected the branches for the Easter holiday and watched them bud and bloom;very pretty like miniature pussycat tails....Here is a son,g a ryhme, I sang often and to my children...I sang it to my dog Taro just yesterday!!!I know a little pussyher coat is silver grayshe lives down in the meadownot very far awayshe'll always be a pussyshe'll never be a cat for she is a pussywillow, what do you think of that!meowmeowmeowmeow meow meow skat! Ad lib with fun wit body drama motions....
use your hand and motion up in a step like fashion while singing this poem;and after the word that! motion your hand in a step down fashion..and clapp your hands together;Snap! Wouldn't it be great to have everyone at a serious board meeting to sing this at a start of a meeting putting smiles on alls' ....faces...and lovefun in their hearts...
Now, don't get me started on Hokey Pokey....twirl those hips and shake those elbows...  Skiing is canceled tomorrow ; rain rain...rain...I have a meeting with many of the Pennsylvania reps conress and signicitizens.....all daylong tomorrow ; i will post impt results....shhhh secret.......shoosh......just kidding....wink wink   ..have a good day....And Smile :-) often... 

January 11, 2012 5:19 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 hazel leese said...

Sea Island Lady 11~  laughter from the Welsh hills. I'd love to see the puzzled wrinkly face on Taro while you perform your kitchen floorshow.

January 11, 2012 5:29 PM
Myself 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Spring Fragrance said...

Hazel 1240.....lol....OMG that is so wicked...reminds me of Mrs Brown getting a bikini wax


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tA0iLtT46fY


Not sure what it's like your side of the world but in Asia where we have a large amount of muslims, our common toilets (including all the offices I have worked in, hotels and shopping centres) are equipped with at least a short hose for the women to perform ablution. I miss those toilets

January 11, 2012 5:47 PM
1014 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 karma swim swami said...

So....Miss Blue: if the difference is to be be-vived, why are you not Miss Pink?

January 11, 2012 5:50 PM
1014 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 karma swim swami said...

SF: Why not bidets?

January 11, 2012 6:01 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 hazel leese said...

KSS~ The bidet is probably full of socks.

January 11, 2012 6:11 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 hazel leese said...

SF~ Mrs Brown is wonderful. We get repeats and they never fail to make me laugh.

January 11, 2012 6:24 PM
Photo 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Peter Lake said...

Georgia - so nice to see you again. I will send you some of our long-overdo-snow your way for you to enjoy.

Be well

January 11, 2012 6:38 PM
1014 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 karma swim swami said...

Hazel: I don't know if it's the ghost of Magnificat or a cat trying to get to the duvet I'm still under, but there is a meow-based ululation in B-flat minor going on outside the window, and it is proceeding without stopping (as Paul Bowles might have written). Is a feline smackdown about to happen? Is it a siren song? Paroxysmal feline urological syndrome with a struvite crystal being passed? It would be early in the day for a cat to be blotto on catnip.

January 11, 2012 6:49 PM
10photoviewsCom-100First-comFirst-photo Cassiepants said...

kss~ There are few sounds in this world more strident to me than that meow-based ululation you describe. While we do not have cats, several have adopted our pool as a convenient source of water (because the bowls of water for our pair of potbellied pigs are too close to the house, methinks). Occasionally, my spine will shudder and the hairs on the back of my neck will stand up and I'll know the alleycats are at it again.
 
As to the topic, though I don't give my mother credit for a lot, growing up she was immensely creative and flexible as a parent. My sister had barbies and my little ponies, but I leaned toward collecting horse memorabilia and books. My brother had books on sharks, his toy guns, and comic books. We all had hotwheels cars and construction sets of all kinds of varieties. Our favorite activity in the summer was to dig a pit in the lot next door and design tracks for the HotWheels to drive along. Then the flood would come (the garden hose) and the pit would become a vast pool with all of us pretending our cars had superpowers. I'm fairly certain in excavating that lot to build a house, they probably found upwards of 100 HotWheels in varying stages of decay.

January 11, 2012 6:53 PM
10photoviewsCom-100First-comFirst-photo Cassiepants said...

I decided, when I was 11, that I was too grown up for a little kid party for my birthday. I wanted to get dressed up and go out to dinner with just my mom and dad. I still remember the laughing look on her face when my Mother came out to call me in to get changed and found me waist-deep in the mudhole we were playing in. She hosed me off, I changed into a nice dress and my white leather 1/2' heels (very expensive shoes for a girl - almost $20 at the time!) and went to The Sandpiper in Idaho Falls, ID. I remember the ambiance of the evening but not what I had for dinner. Funny how the mind works.
 
Though we don't have children, we are finally trying. My husband wants a girl, since he was a total terror (told you TT~ you'd love him). I'm convinced if we have a girl, she'll be pretty and charming, but with a mischievous streak like his. And since I was teacher's pet through school - with my head in a novel when I wasn't playing in the mud - I wouldn't have the vaguest idea how to handle that...

January 11, 2012 6:54 PM
Myself 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Spring Fragrance said...

KSS, only in some hotels you might get bidets. They take up too much space in land scarce Asia. Also, I think culturally, Asian women may find it eeky to wash oneself with water that appears to be coming out of a toilet bowl.
 
I can just imagine what's happening to you KSS, are you having a cap nap at this time of your day?

January 11, 2012 7:12 PM
Myself 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Spring Fragrance said...

There is no doubt to me that boys and girls are equipped differently, and it is only in the coming together that the picture completes. My 3 year old son walked into a little girl’s dedicated toy room, packed full of dolls and other girly stuff, turns to me in disappointment and says, “mummy, where are the real toys?” Both my boys absolutely adored swords and would often walk around with two sitting in a cross on their back, just like in kung fu movies. Yet, one of their favouite make belief game, was to cycle from one end of the garden to the other, pretending to do marketing trips for mummy. I think it made them feel “needed” and “useful”, and in a very juvenile way, “manly”. BTW, there is a difference between a needy woman (or man for that matter) and a woman who needs a man.

I managed to track this interesting article I read some time back about how traditional gender roles are unconsciouly assigned to men and women at different periods in politics and the economy. Men and women “fix things” differently and it is interesting that Thatcher, Benazir Bhutto, Aung Sung Suu Kyi, Yingluck Shinawatra all play/ed critical roles at critical times. I think Hilary Clinton came in just abit too early.

http://www.elliottwave.com/features/default.aspx?cat=emw&aid=2363&time=pm

http://www.forbes.com/2006/08/31/power-women-politicians_cz_em_06women_0831politics.html
(women in power)

January 11, 2012 7:14 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 hazel leese said...

KSS~ The alleycats!! Firstly the boys will be fighting over who gets the girl, secondly, the penis of a tom cat has cactus like spines so the female yowls and beats the hell out of him when he withdraws. I once 'phoned a neighbour - half a mile away - 'cos I thought someboby was being murdered in my garden. He said he could hear them from his place and it was foxes mating. I was really scared, it did sound like an adult screaming.
How did this converstion get around to alley cats and bidets? This page is wonderful.

January 11, 2012 7:25 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 hazel leese said...

Cassiepants~ Don't start buying pink stuff! Now you have said we are all waiting for news.

January 11, 2012 7:32 PM
10photoviewsCom-100First-comFirst-photo Cassiepants said...

My dear friends, as sad as I am to leave behind conversation about pink, blue, pasta and alley cat bidets, I will most likely not partake of your wit and joie de vivre until Sunday afternoon. I'm off to Augusta GA, home of California Dreaming's delicious steak and loaded baked potato combo. That's not why I'm going, of course, but I'm having it on Friday for lunch just the same. (Is it considered irony that I'm flying 3,000 miles from Southern California to eat at a place called California Dreaming? English scholars weigh in, please...)
 
My brother is getting married on Saturday, and there is a grand reunion of uncles and aunts, cousins and family happening all weekend. I should be exhausted and know little of myself by the time I return home.
 
Much love to all, and Nos Da, dear Hazel!

January 11, 2012 7:36 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 hazel leese said...

It's past duvet time in Wales. Nos da, dear people. x

January 11, 2012 7:52 PM
Myself 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Spring Fragrance said...

Nos da Hazel, it's been fun today!

Cassiepants! Try this Chinese Gender Selection table...you can also google the term. I worked backwards and yep, it explains why I got boys!
 
http://www.chinesegenderchart.info/

January 11, 2012 7:56 PM
Sarah2 10photoviewsFirst-comFirst-photoHr-1 Dash said...

Like many of you, I was a tomboy in my youth and I loved it.  Never got questioned about it, just went out and played with the boys.  All of the girls went and played with the boys.  What I think is sad is that the boys were afraid to come in and play with the girls, if they wished.  At that time, they would have been made fun of.  Women have always had an easier time of blending in with the guys.                                                                                                                                                     My mother taught me to sew and crochet before I was seven years old.  That was fun.  And useful.  Getting out in the field of olive trees and playing war with my cousins was great fun as well, though I got berated for the stains those black olives left on my clothes.  My little brother and I would watch "Combat" hidden behind our "foxhole" couch cushions, helping save the world from the Nazi threat.  That same brother had a little toy pistol and cowboy hat that I envied.  He was kind enough to share with me.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I also remember the day I discovered my step-sister's Easy Bake Oven.  Oh, my goodness!  A dream come true.  All of us were excited about that, boys and girls.  Who wouldn't want to bake their own cakes?  The boys pitched in to help buy more cake mix.  What a great time we all had.  I think gender roles are forced on individuals by society. Each individual is different and gravitates to what pleases them, as most of these posts reveal. Certainly, women tend to want to have children, as their hormones dictate, and men want to rule a little part of their own world, as testosterone flows. But as individuals, those desires fluctuate in their intensity. I became a Journeyman Electrician rather than a wife and mother. I never wore pink. But I don't like blue either.             

January 11, 2012 8:04 PM
P8041286 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300First-comFirst-photoHr-1 IvyGailWinds said...

Mrs. Brown getting a Bikini Wax was wonderful ...funny...I posted a picture of Queen Victoria and Prince Edwards teacup engagement gift ; a treasure...received as a gift from the Revolutionary Daughters of America when i sang with my guitar and presented a lecture on Teaism...at the Pittsburhg AthleticClub in 97; ya know the manager took notes because they did not have teacups at the club only coffee cups;' I was looking for Taro grin picture...so couldn't find it , thought you might enjoy ...the teacup! Toy family memories; My three brothers Bruno, Boso, and Yatchso....My grandmother would say their names...and call around the house when they were bad!!!! Toy soldiers and cowboys and Indians were a hit and we hide in seek in bushes with all the regalia geer;  was so popular for us when we played outdoors.... a good run...in the yard...how fun...my grandmother was a delightful person...too...

January 11, 2012 8:04 PM
P8041286 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300First-comFirst-photoHr-1 IvyGailWinds said...

Mrs. Brown getting a Bikini Wax was wonderful ...funny...I posted a picture of Queen Victoria and Prince Edwards teacup engagement gift ; a treasure...received as a gift from the Revolutionary Daughters of America when i sang with my guitar and presented a lecture on Teaism...at the Pittsburhg AthleticClub in 97; ya know the manager took notes because they did not have teacups at the club only coffee cups;' I was looking for Taro grin picture...so couldn't find it , thought you might enjoy ...the teacup! Toy family memories; My three brothers Bruno, Boso, and Yatchso....My grandmother would say their names...and call around the house when they were bad!!!! Toy soldiers and cowboys and Indians were a hit and we hide in seek in bushes with all the regalia geer;  was so popular for us when we played outdoors.... a good run...in the yard...how fun...my grandmother was a delightful person...too...

January 11, 2012 8:08 PM
10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Mooseloop said...

Several people mentioned being Only Children....I am one, too. Wonder how many of us are??

No screeching pussy cats here, but occasionally we hear an eerie wildcat scream here in the woods.

Reading a new book on my Kindle, kinda like a Ken Follett, the Breath of God, by Jeffrey Small. I keep wanting to reach over and turn the pages! Kindle was a Christmas gift from daughter, and I appreciate it, but old habits are hard to break. One plus is adjusting the size of the print to be larger and easily read.

Bottom line on the gender topic is that we each find our own comfort zone, and no stereotypes should define us. I always had playmates of both genders, boyfriends at every age, and many girlfriends that I still stay in touch with. I moved a lot, was in 7 different schools, yet I have good friends from elementary school, jr. high, and high school, albeit at a distance (Fla., La., Penn., etc.)

I believe you have to be a friend to have friends, and I do remember birthdays, anniversaries, and do errands for those who need them. Just yesterday I was up at 5:00 am to take a friend to a 6:30 am hospital appt. for cataract surgery, and find that most friends will pay you back and pay it forward, too. It sounds to me like most of the Villagers are like that, and if we lived in the same town would be there to support, help, and come to the aid of each other. Going to read a while....good night all!

January 11, 2012 8:08 PM
Pecos_tommy 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Tommy Typical said...

Listening to "My Name is Buddy" Ry Cooder's concept album about a cat and mouse who become friends during The Great Depression. Cat and Mouse is my favorite song. On a cold winter Buddy let a "brother", a mouse named Lefty, with some cheese share his suitcase. There's a better world a coming...which side are you on? Learning lessons at 30,000 ft. Lefty is the truest friend I ever had. Why does everything have to be about choosing sides?

January 11, 2012 8:50 PM
Sarah2 10photoviewsFirst-comFirst-photoHr-1 Dash said...

Tommy:  Beautiful.  I want to listen to jazz.  Wrote a poem about playing jazz, but need instruction in listening.  Michael Connelly writes jazz into his scenes in his mystery novels.  At your height, you must feel like a god; any suggestions?  Am aiming to upload a photo of our favorite author's library in Key West.  And a six toed cat.  See?  Gender blends.

January 11, 2012 9:04 PM
Poison_dart_frog_2 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1 Miss Blue said...

KSs


"...in the early 1900s, blue was the colour for girls (as it had traditionally been the colour of the Virgin Mary in Western Art) and pink was for boys (as it was akin to the colour red, considered a masculine colour."


My complaint is not so much about color choices and personal taste, or that some of us girlies were/are "Tom Boys" or that some young ladies  prefer mathematics to homemaking,  but for the "concern" that toys and other items considered by many to be gender specific  somehow need to be neutralized.


 Again the PC police feel it necessary to level the field. I guess there are some who will not be satisfied until we are all ( men and women, boys and girls) are wearing the same grey jumpsuits.


BTW, back ion the 70's, with all wearing long hair and jeans, no one EVER mistook me for a male...front, back or sideways!

January 11, 2012 9:07 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Carol said...

Girly-girl.  All-boy. .................let me tell you, pre-schoolers pretty much know their own minds and do what they want to do.   Truly, marketing specifically to this age is apalling and those folks who do it should be whipped, but if you observe kids long enough you'll see that they are what they are.  What they were born to be.   I've had girls who could whup the toughest guys and outrace the fleetest runner just become a priness and love it while at Disney.  I've also seen girls all dressed up for Halloween in their princess finery be anything but a princess in behavior and deportment.    I've had the toughest littlest guys become cream puffs in the face of a baby or a friend in need.  Boys who would just as soon be the Hulk absolutely cave and transmogrify nicely when involved in music.   When you look at a pile of coats of kids, yes there will be an unusally high number of pinks and purples......but, what if the coats were also available in red or green or yellow or blue or black?   Boys coats generally come only in blue or red or brown or camo.   Kids don't have much choice sometimes....the palette they're presented with is pretty limited.    Years ago no one thought to make "kid colors" ....kids clothes were just smaller versions of adult ones in the same hues.   And as a kid's coat was meant to last for more than one kid it was in an understandably more neutral color.    No pink coat or purple jacket--no boys name Sue.

January 11, 2012 9:28 PM
1014 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 karma swim swami said...

KSS: Miss Blue: very very good points made at 2104. "Touche" for you. The art history findings are the crux, and I for one love wearing pink or salmon colored shirts. Thank you.

January 11, 2012 9:35 PM
10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1 spring rain said...

When I was a teenager, I thought that if I wore pink, I would look like a girl who was "weak".  I hated pink.  I would not wear or own any thing pink. Now as an adult, I LOVE pink!  Especially with black.  Pink/black seems retro 50s-ish to me, so Jackie Kennedy.   Last winter a beautiful deep pink wool coat found me, and I picked up a pink purse to match.  Both were from a second hand store. I find pepole compliment me when I wear pink.  It makes me feel happy.  Now I don't care what anyone thinks of me.  I know pink does not communicate weakness. It's the person who wears the color.  The color does not make the person.

January 11, 2012 9:40 PM
293 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-5 rings90 said...

It all just reminds me of this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO23WBji_Z0


And yes I also climbing the trees with al the guys too, because Well anything they could do I could do better.


January 11, 2012 9:55 PM
Photo 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Peter Lake said...

Tommy T, I don't think everything is about choosing sides. It may well be too often, and often unnecessary, but what bothers me more I think is to not wonder and question how or why we got to be there.

Now some sides are chosen for us. Natures way and choices...... 'cos if we had to choose our own fender before birth, some of us would still be in the womb rolling dice to help decide. What used to be a clear cut either-or, black-n-white now has hints of grey.

Now me, I appreciate the wisdom of one of my mentors who says " when you come to a fork in the road, take it'. Yogi Berra

Now as far as those sides that have been determined for us that are not based on any merit on our parts... I'm content to roll with it and just do the best that I can. Nothing to pound my chest about, nothing to be ashamed of either.

Peace out, and enjoy the ride....

January 11, 2012 10:09 PM
Pecos_tommy 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Tommy Typical said...

D- six toed cats. Good Mojo for a ship's Cap'n.

January 11, 2012 11:28 PM
Pecos_tommy 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Tommy Typical said...

PL- The philosophy of yogi and your own wise self is well received. Peace to you my brother.

January 11, 2012 11:48 PM
4224 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 RoadYacht said...

oooh...a really hot memory y'alls has stirred.....I must have been 12,or so, and the aqua blue felt skirt(with the poodle faces in white,)and the pink angora sweater....ahh, the picture is in the dust on the inside of my eYelids.....she was the 'darlin' of the class, and took me ice skating....I dint know how...she could skate bacwards on one skate....we laughed a lot....she had red hair....ahhh....   .   but I do know how to tell the gender of pancakes......by the way they're stacked

January 11, 2012 11:51 PM
Photo 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Peter Lake said...

Tommy T, much thanks and right back atcha.

Dash, very well said! Only the individual knows what fits them comfortably. My background in Manufacturing and living in an old house has lead me to have great respect and deep appreciation for electricians. I too enjoy M. Connelly's H. Bosch novels.

January 12, 2012 12:00 AM
P8041286 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300First-comFirst-photoHr-1 IvyGailWinds said...

So thankful ...it's ok....it's alright.....be  yourself....gender and color-coding is silly...find more similarities and smile more often ....with each other...help one another...; I stood in Hands Across America.gee that was so long ago....and here we are with a worsened socioeconomic status .....with full-minded knowledge of Yoko's... all the peoples hopevisions/.. mission & purpose and now more than ever, this time of the hour, we have to face more of world hypocrites and we  just hover on the brink of being free and for so many our lives become too heavy to bear...we can not despair, but pull your energy into good practice and care about at least the 2 acres that surround you.then create beneficial.lifestyle. acts and shape your destiny...and manifest your future... includes happy smiles! :).....promote goodness....Sorry for todays typos and for hitting the send button twice; and i kinda rushed through my Kitty-cat song...without formatting properly...but try to sing and harmonize and use the hand motions they will really add to the whole musical thing....everyday, I work on forgiveness... and try to help someone...I used to work for Chief archetect engineer of Phoenix,Tempe AZ going to college and pregnant....I played lead in"What's aGirl gonna do?" by Jim Hansen..but our office on ASU campus was next to a genetic lab physician office for helping infants with birth defects...You become so humbled when you witness and in my career over the sick and suffering we do not want more added pain...we want to be safe, healthy , productive people...and want to participate in this so-called life....it is not the money, it is the productivity of work ; being a part of the process of lifeworks...raising children...keeping a home...a dogooder for the community...what a balancing act .......whew it tires me out just thinking about it....guten nicht!

January 12, 2012 2:22 AM
Sarah2 10photoviewsFirst-comFirst-photoHr-1 Dash said...

Sea Island Lady II:  You are filled with compassion and I am in awe of you!  And some of the things you post strike me as being so very fun - The Kitty-Cat Song with hand motions!!!  You crack me up, girl!  What a joy!

January 12, 2012 8:40 PM
1-dscn1106-4 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 PARK4 said...

Yeah but, the thing is, boys never make passes as girls who wear glasses.  

January 12, 2012 8:42 PM
1-dscn1106-4 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 PARK4 said...

...and lips that touch liquor will never touch mine.

January 12, 2012 8:42 PM
1-dscn1106-4 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 PARK4 said...

oh those good old days...

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