Anti-DST Revolution

Drunk Dialing...having consumed a good portion of Kentucky's premium adult libation and not even reading today's topic...I consider lmyself ready to comment.                     DST is the product of elitist with nothing else better to do than to make us common folk dance to their tune. Just another nail in the coffin of tyranny.                       Boo on the whole topic...and boo on me for typing this idiocy...I apologise in advance for my misguided remarks...actually, I don't. May the establishment kiss my a$$...

KYCURM:   Just fire that shot Bubba !!!  Get that stuff right on out there .......  That is actually what Free Speech and sharing of ideas is all about ...

I agree completely with your assessment, and I wish the Geniuses what thunk this stuff up would put the Clock in one position or the other, and then just leave it alone forever more, because I think all that fallin' back and springin' forward causes too much mayhem and damage to make it all worthwhile  ....... In Elementary School we read a Story about a girl named, Cress Delahanty ... she rushed and ran everywhere she went, and in everything she did, to "Save Time" so that at the end of a week/month/year she could take an entire day off, with all the extra time .......  As I recall, the girl didn't really save any time sixty years ago, and I can't believe things are any different today ....... Besides, regardless of how much time one might actually save during the day ... once he gets up on the Freeway, it just doesn't matter anymore .......

Choose your battles students of life. Missing that first morning class as a matter of protest or sleepiness may result in a feeling of moral certitude but will probaby result in a bad grade and other possible unintended consequences like the restriction of funds from Moma & Papa and besides, the sound of "annoying" birds in the morning may be a better education than an uninteresting prof.  As to the time travel argument, all is good until you go back to the original zone and whatever was gained is "lost" (Isn't there a tv showe about that?) on the return trip. The Universe is a big Balance Sheet and DST will go down as Big Bro with too much time on his hands.     

I despise the time change....

If the sun comes up, it's a good day. Another hour of light? What's so terrible? There are worse offenses.

KC--- thanks for making me laugh so early- or would that be late???.....

Most people don't know that the famous Leaning Tower of Pisa is in fact a clock tower. It was constructed at a time when bells would be struck during the day to let people know the time. And it was built with its famous tilt on purpose. Of course it was! Because what good is time without the inclination...

Ba-dum-ching.

I'm here all week! Try the veal.

Riotous Mr. Islaes !!!  Very Funny !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I cannot STAND Daylight Saving Time. This changing of the clocks back and forth is ridiculous, serves no real purpose, causes confusion and disruption and probably has yet unknown health consequences. I want it stopped! Pick a time--perhaps halfway between--and stick with it. (I love starting my day off with a rant!)

JEAN-- Hear, hear....

I enjoy springing ahead an hour this time of year but resent falling back fifteen minutes every fall.  ..  ..  ..  or is it the other way around.

PETERLAKE:  I believe you have hit the Nail right on the head !!!

I have always hated DST -- I never feel right till I get my hour back in the fall.  (Of course, I'm not a morning person!)  I think we should all write our Congressmen about dropping the whole idea.  Even sleep specialists say that it's bad for us!

I'm waiting for "weekend savings time"-- this would double your weekend hours....

If we didn't have to work or do business only at certain hours of the day, then I would say let's just do away with DST all together.
Since most of us have to keep to schedules, I find I like having more end-of-the-day sunlight to enjoy the lovely summer evenings. A little backyard BBQ and libation after work is a far better use of the daylight hours than wasting all that precious sunshine early in the morning just getting ready for work...even though, as I'm yawning over missing out on an hour of sleep last night, it does take a little adjustment.
I really like bebe's idea!

I never did understand why it is such a big deal. Companies could just as easily set up a tradition of, during the summer, opening and closing an hour earlier from March to October. We have neither gained nor lost an hour, but merely changed the numbers on an arbitrary (and somewhat inexact) measurement of time. And since "time" only exists in the consensual reality, what does it really matter?

The sun goes up, the sun goes down, and if we were smart we wouldn't bother with anything more exacting than that. Nano-seconds cause heart attacks.

BE YEE ALL HAPPY THAT THE METRIC SYSTEM WAS NOT IMPLEMENTED,AND TIME WAS NOT PART OF THAT SCENARIO....I like the double weekend idea, except,and I hope this is not part of it,a double monday...As a matter of fact, rather than DST, how about No Mondays When the weater is perfect...we save them all up and give them to the IRS...after all ...time is money

I've always been a few seconds, sometimes minutes, off from everyone else wherever I may be, so DST just doesn't matter much to me. The great thing about thesepia train is that there are no clocks and time is whenever we want it to be.

Greetings IVAN J from the great Midwest! 

Peace out.......jpl

I have some beautiful old clocks that I inherited from my grandparents, and I can "spring forward" with no difficulty, but I can not turn back the hands of time on an antique wind-up clock. I can either go through time, half hour by half hour, letting the clock chime its joyful alert at each half hour stop, or I can stop the clock and wait for the hour to roll by again (if I remember!) And God help me if I try the half hour by half hour bit, because if I become inattentive and overshoot the chime stop, I suddenly find hours and half hours reversed. Now I have to risk wrecking the clock by spinning the hour hand as fast as I can, skipping all the chime stops until I get back to where I once belonged. Of course it's nearly impossible to go the whole twelve hours without missing yet another stop. But my life would be a lot less cheerful without the tick-tock of the old clocks, and I prefer to get rid of the time switch. Pick one or the other and leave it at that. Nature won't notice and mankind (and my old clocks) will be grateful.

BongoBern~ begs the question, the tick tocks,from the old clocks; where do they go after we hear them?

...and speaking of time travel, our glorious benefactor has given us the opportunity to receive complimentary nights at some of Europe's finest hotels, if we book our journey by 8th February2010...as seen by the panel to the right that says: BE OUR GUEST

It hurts my knee, all this jumping back and forth.

Time is an artificiality, invented by humans, to track their days and activities.  It was mainly meant to coordinate these activities, so people could plow the fields, works the factories, and sell the goods, on time, with everyone else.  "Daylight savings" was devised to further the use of light to maximize output and productivity.  I say, follow the flowers.  When they're open, work.  When they're closed, sleep.  When I fully retire, I'm going to remove all the hands from all my analog clocks, and unplug all the digital devices.  I'll keep the "tick-tock" only for the comfortable sound in an otherwise empty house.   I composed a poem back in my youth:   The young man, in his primeShovels memories into the Cup of Time. The old man, in the setting sunSpoons out and savors them One by one.

good one ,Tig

...I think the Tick Tocks, from the old clocks, go the way of the missing socks

Chicken and egg question...which came first, spring forward or fall back. As for me...I fell down.
    

Ivan: Thank you...it would appear most here agree

Bebe: You are most welcome...glad I could oblige.

The chicken and egg question was answered on these sage threads long ago; the EGG came first. And how do we know this... The fossil record is quite clear in showing how reptiles evolved into avian species, which eventually resulted in the domesticated chicken. And reptiles lay eggs. Therefore the egg-laying reptilian precursor species to the chicken guaranteed that FOREVERMORE you may say with ABSOLUTE CONFIDENCE that the EGG CAME FIRST.

As long as we have Fixin's for Egg Nog, does it really matter which came first ???

In the Great MidWest PL, it looks like a Good Day to visit the NAVY Pier and just roam around a bit .......  Brite n Breezy down here too .......
 
Some of the simplest pleasures can be found in some of the most unusual places .......


If we make the Egg Nog first ... we'll have something comforting to sip on while we fry the chicken ....... or Barbecue ...

Mr. Isles: I had no idea Shecky Green was in the house...Thanks, I will try the Veal.

...and as if you needed any more proof, just ask a waitron; eggs take about 5 minutes, chicken can take as long as 20, especially that Greek kind, with the garlic and oregano.....

I hate changing the damn clocks!  And of course, ineveitably, as soon as I do there's an electrical glitch and they all start blinking at me again.  As well, no two clocks in my house have the same time.  But, having said all that, I do like DST and wish they would keep it forever. 

Daylight savings time ain't nuttin!  Try flying to Europe or Asia and trying to reset your watch, PDA, and so on while in the air.  In addition to being jet-lagged, once all the time pieces are reset to local time (and your body is NOT), you have to calculate what time it is back home so you don't wake someone up at 2 a.m.  (The reaction is negative: if family they think you're dying or the plane has crashed or you've been in an automobile accident.  If not family they hang up, very angry!) 

And living in an 'always on' world (finance, international trade, or just hanging out in Second Life) is also very hard.  Often the first or second question during a conversation isn't 'how do you spell your name?' or 'how are you?'.  It's 'what time zone are you in?'  And then the calculations... let's see, it's a seven hour time difference with Madrid; the sun rises seven hours earlier there, so it's later than it is here... so if it's noon here, it must be seven p.m. there.  ---  Asian makes me shudder.  Even if you get the time right, the International Date Line messes things up.  (Is it today there, OR tomorrow?)

When I get really frustrated with all the math involved in time, I sometimes stop, look out the window at the sun (or the moon) and console myself with the following mantra: "The time is NOW.  And in a few minutes, the time will be later."  I call it 'going with the flow'.  I let other folks worry about the numbers to attach to now or to later.  (Nonetheless, it's cool that my TV always agrees with all of them -- so I reset the stove clock, the microwave clock, my wristwatch, the wallclock, the clock-radio, the car clock and so on to match the television.  It sometimes takes a few days to reset them all.  My 'North Star' is the television.)  People seem to appreciate it when I meet them at a specific point in 'the flux' rather than an hour before or an hour after they expected me.  We Americans are very tightly tied together by our consensus that 'time is money'.  

OK, there are a number of things I think are really weird, here. What's with the ranting about metric for a start? We in Canada have been metric for the last  25 years, and the world as we know it did not come unhinged. When it's really hot - like 95F, it's only 34C over here. Sounds cooler, right away. I also like the idea of having extra sunshine to enjoy my G&T by in the evening... I thought we settled the chicken/egg thing already. If you find my missing socks (currently there are 5 of them in different shades), could you send me a note to that effect.  I'm new to this , so I'll defer to those of you with more experience...
Ciao

whence come I and whither I go? mused Max Plank and so as generations pass there will be only a few who will ever consider that there was a time when DST wasn't a reality. So Doc I concur that going with the flow is as close to truth as you can get and as natural as taking that outdoor pee off the back porch and letting out a primal scream of pure joy just like our cavemen ancestors.  

I've got the sun in the morning and the moon at night...I think I'm a lucky girl.

Sunshine gives me a lovely day. Moonlight gives me the Milky Way.

And when I think about all the people I love who are far away...

I know (regardless of what time zone they are in) that they, too, are looking at the same sun in the morning and the same moon at night...and still I think I'm a lucky girl.

It may not be much, but I try to be happy with what I've got...

Where do the ticks and tocks go...I think they must go in one ear and out the other RY, although a tick and a tock sound like they would be sharp and cause some pain.  But I don't feel any sting or pang, as old tempus fugit.  I think I should, but no.
 
 
 
Don't anyone say that's because there's nothing between my ears.
 
Don't even think it ... I'll know if you are.
 

Really Tommy~can you just imagine that even the cavemen had DST and they had to move the stick in the ground they used as a sundial?  And to our dear friend way up north, the reason we are so very afraid of the metric system? our measly 10 inches of snow would be 25 cm's there, and 25 anything is going to be a lot

and do you know what "time flies",butterflies, and fruit flies all have in common?

The "tick" went to the Neverland croc...
 
Said Captain Hook, in "Peter Pan"...
"...that crocodile would have had me before this, but by a lucky chance it swallowed a clock which goes tick tick inside it, and so before it can reach me I hear the tick and bolt."

I don't know what happened to the tock...

RY--- I know-- they all have the word "flies" at the end! I win, I win, I win.....
 
 
What do I win?????

Good Point- RY- Well folks, Happy Hour at my hacienda operates out of the manmade boundaries of time measurement. Mahalo. This group I confess is refreshing like a perfect martini. 

Finally! Now I remember...Tock is Milo's ticking watch-dog! (The Phantom Tollbooth)
They go on an adventure together to rescue Rhyme and Reason...
 
Of course, Tock goes ticktickticktick and his brother Tick goes tocktocktocktock; both of them forever burdened with having the wrong names. Watchdogging was in their blood, passed down from father to son, almost since time began..."once there was no time at all (Tock once explained to Milo), and people found it very inconvenient. They never knew whether they were eating lunch or dinner, and they were always missing trains. So time was invented to help them keep track of the day and get places when they should. When they began to count all the time that was available, what with 60 seconds in a minute and 60 minutes in an hour and 24 hours in a day and 365 days in a year, it seemed as if there was much more than could ever be used. 'If there's so much of it, it couldn't be very valuable,' was the general opinion, and soon it fell into disrepute. People wasted it and even gave it away."
 
And, no, I'm not killing time here tonight...it's bad enough wasting time without killing it!

bebe:  I think you win a fly farm.  It's like an ant farm but more aerial.

Sorry to get carried away. It was the best book ever when I was young...
 

The best line I know about time, daylight saved or otherwise, is by Dorothy Parker, who wastes no words in getting right to the point:
 
"Time doth flit.
Shit."
 
 
 
 

younger...
 

PARK--- can I dress my flies up in fairy costumes???
 
No Mystery tonight..... bring back Mystery!

I was laughing so hard , I got a stitch....a stitch in time....get it?

Yes bebe, yes!  Magical fairy fly costumes, RY will stitch them up for you, in time...
 
 
 
hardy har.
 
 
 
There's no law and order on either.  I think the TV guide is confused by DST.
 
 
 

RY-- Put pink tulle on your shopping list please.

TEMPUS  FLITSHIT ???
 
 
 

I'm surprised that no one made the suggestion that we adopt a decimal time system: every day divided into ten hours, every hour divided into ten minutes, and every minute divided into ten seconds.  (For those with the need for finer distinctions, there could be deci-seconds, centi-seconds, and milliseconds..... ).  ----  Currently there are 86,400 seconds in a day!  An absurdly arbitrary number!  Having 100,000 centi-seconds in a day would make the math so very much easier!  

Also, if folks are upset about setting their clocks forward or backward, there IS another solution!  Simply stop the earth's rotation for one hour or -- to reverse the process, hold it back a full 23 hours (necessitating a notation on one's calendar, but what the heck!).  This would require divine intervention, but if it was done once (Joshua 10:12-13) perhaps it's just a question of enough nagging until the Creator puts it on his regular 'to do' list....

Two things I know about Stoney... maybe more:
If you return a hoodie that you borrowed to play hockey out on the bay- even if it is nicely laundered, do not hang it over his Cubs cap!!
He has a story he thinks that he has already told about a coffee shop lady who said:
"If they didn't mean 'set your clocks ahead at 2:00AM,' they wouldn't say 'set your clocks ahead at 2:00AM.'"
In his essay: Advanced Patient Advocacy, a work in progress, he tells about storming into the middle of a hospital work station to break up a nurse/orderly/doctor post Oscars BS session by slamming down, in their midst, an emergency call button and cord that appeared to have been torn from the wall while grimly uttering the three digit room number.
He claims to have retrieved it from a maintenance man's cart. Either way: "It was like dropping a weasel into a covey of quail."
When spring finds its way up into Canada, it will be safe to come back.
JHG

I just had to don'tcha know....... I musta heard this a thousand times the year it came out. Damned if I know why or care . . it just stuck with me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1aMTWdQnzo

I am surprised no one has linked "time keeps on slipping,into the future"  Steve Miller?   .   .But, that said, I think we may have stumbled onto a secret; all this clock resetting has actually reset the calander,by a few days every decade. The upshot is that is why it stays warm into the time it should be cool, and cold into the time it should be warmer.....hurricane seasons start later,last longer....it's not global warming, it's calender slippage....time, slipping into the future...all because we puny humans mess with time....

I have an even greater quibble with time as it is practiced in our culture: the horrible residua of puritanicalism that seems to that makes certain people think that rising early gives them a penumbra of moral rectitude.

My dear ol' pappy used to say, "White Eye watches time.  Time watches the Indians".

KSS--- SOOOOOOOOOOOOO true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was brought up in a family where sleeping late was frowned on & it has only been in the last couple of years that I feel no guilt for sleeping in occasionally. And I have finally embraced napping--- another guilty pleasure.
 
It is based on a puritanical ethic-- thanks for bringing clarity to that.
 
For some reason if it it very gray & cold or rainy-- I feel no guilt about sleeping in or napping. All of us w/ our various neuroses.....

so that's it? it's over? well, it's about time

RY-- also pick up some pink grosgrain ribbon. Please...