Remembering JFK, the nation's first pop-culture president

They just won't let that Bastard die ....... Bet they do the same damned thing with the Pop Pedophile too ....... What the Hell happened to Decent Values ???  At Least, the Irisher was doin' Marilyn Monroe, and not little kids .......  Not much for a Sunday Kind of Topic ...

Jalopkin. You were right the other day. Stick to food.

jalopkin. Whether you agreed with him or not he was assasinated for God's sake. Sorry, it was on this day...didn't mean to ruin your Sunday. You really do need help.

I was sitting in my junior high social studies class when our teacher was delivered a hand written note. She burst into tears which frightened us all, but after a moment she composed herself and then gave us the bad news. Everything after that was surreal as the nation was rocked and tried to regain its composure. It was such a devastating blow to the whole nation, and the world. Just as devastating as 9/11 if not more so. And then the killing of Oswald...it seemed the world had gone mad.

On a lighter note, but not by much, JFK is blamed by many for the demise of mens head-wear. Apparently he showed up for his inauguration hatless, and that was the final blow. Many say that mens hats, as an indispensable wardrobe item, were on the way out anyway.
I have ordered custom fedoras from Peters Bros. hats in Ft Worth, Texas (a family run business), and in my conversations with Joe Peters Jr. he told me that his dad made a hat for President Kennedy, I think it was a white fedora, and personally hand delivered it to him at some early morning ceremony on the day of the assassination. He believes the hat was placed into the trunk of the Kennedy's black limousine, but it mysteriously disappeared and was never seen again. This hat is considered, by those who particularly concern themselves with hats, to be the "Holy Grail" of all hats and is still actively being sought after to this day.

I am so thankful that so many PsychoTherapists have joined this Village ... What WOULD  I do, without such sage advice ??? 
 
Why is it that it is OK for those of you who lean Left, or worse, to have and express opinions, likes and dislikes ....... But those who do not agree with YOU are not allowed ???
 
And, for the Collection of you Sidewalk Psychologists out there, I said NOTHING about the man, I was lamenting the feebleness and weak-sisterhood of the people who can't let the poor schmuck be DEAD for chrissake ... After fifty years already ...  Or, is he hiding down in Cuber ???
 
How many of you were even alive when Kennedy was shot ???  What do you know about the whole thing that you didn't get from Kevin Costner ???
 
 
And Gia ....... WHO ASKED YOU ???????  I'll bet I've got Boots older than you are ... I just turned 72 last week, and the last thing I need is some Cybersnot giving me the business ... I have never said anything scathing about any person here, because he didn't agree with me ... Why don't you try and act like you actually have some breeding, and allow me the same Courtesy .......

Ah, friendly civil discourse, all within the tight-knit PE family on a nice Sunday! At least the topic isn't 'kickball for adults'... Joy!...

MOVING ON.... As one who was alive (very much so) the day John Kennedy was assassinated, it now astounds me that we all were so affected. Technically, a high government official died violently. Period. The outpouring of shock and grief persuades me that Americans are all looking to the political arena for surrogate fathers. (Not a smart idea!). I guess it's a variation of 'An expert is a guy in a suit from out of town': 'The President is loving father who lives very near the North Pole in a town named after the Father of Our Country, George.' My, how tribal we all still are! Nobody went hysterical when Patrice Lumumba was assassinated almost three years before Kennedy.

What did shock everyone was the assassiation by Jack Ruby a couple of days later of what we'd now call 'the suspected gunman'. That was on live (albeit black and white) TV, and nobody saw it coming. That was truly 'reality TV'.

Much scarier than Kennedy's death in 1963 was the year 1968. It kicked off with 'Tet' in South Vietnam (check your history books, 'youngers'.) A few months later -- in short order -- Martin Luther King was assassinated, cities across America began to burn, Presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy was assassinated, the Soviets invaded Czechoslovakia to crush 'Prague Spring', hundreds of students were gunned down in the center of Mexico City, and anarchy reined in Europe as waves of revolution swept across it. The year 1968 was, on a wider scale, what New York City residents experienced on and after September 11th.

How soon we forget! How insular we are!

I'm sort of glad the Kennedy assassination is now about as relevant and memorable as the McKinley assassination was before it. History is (usually) black and white. It's not like reality. It's 'stories grandpa tells', and therefore always suspect. ("He DOES embroider things so well", wink, wink). One of the bigger lessons of history is summed up in the title of a new (and excellent!) book: "This Time Is Different!"

I suspect the inability of humans to remember is linked to their ability to innovate. What else is one to do when it all seems so horrifyingly new, unique and unprecedented. (And don't let the kids read Shakespeare, or they may realize some things never change.... Et tu, Brutus?)

TIBERIUS:    I  was  born  in  the  wrong  place  and  time,  I  still  wear  fedoras  and  double-breasted  suits,  and  prefer  pre'WW2  cars.   Back  then  the  world  was  simpler,  at   least  our  perception  of  it  was  simpler....   And  it  was  easier  to  figure out  who  our  country's  friends  &  enemies  were.
 
I  remember  distinctly  when  JFK  died.   I  was  in  class  at  what  then  was  an  all  male  Jesuit  high  school  in  suburban  Chicago.  The principal  came  on  the  public  address  system,  something  big  was  up.   I  knew  right  away  that  we  weren't  talking  about  some  sporting  event  being  postponed  at  the  last  minute.  He  started  off  by  saying  "Gentlemen,  this  is  no  drill."  We  knew  the  President  had  been  shot.  One  student  was  almost  hysterical,  Kennedy  was  his  idol.  A  few  others  clapped,  this  was  Republican  country.  Sophomoric  behavior  from "wise  fools."   The  2nd  announcement  came  later,  almost  anticlimactic  to  the  first.  
 
Everybody  hung  in  front  of  their  television  screens  for  hours  that  night.   This  phenomenon  was  a  bipartisan  affliction.   The  world  as  we  knew  it  had  changed,  and  nobody  had  given  us  advance  notice.   John  &  Jackie,  Carolyn  &  John,  Jr.  were  America's  closest  thing  to  royalty.   The  age  of  innocence  was  over.   Thanks  to  the  incompetence  of  the  Dallas  Police  Department,  we  never  will  know  what  Oswald  might  have  said.    

As some have noted, I tend to find patterns by widening my scope of observations timewise, and removing myself from them emotionwise.  Occassionally this comes across as 'insensitive', 'arrogant', and 'weird'.  I plead guilty.  At least you don't need to LIVE with a 'know-it-all', right? 

Everyone remembers where they were  when they heard the news about President Kennedy.  My memories are those of other people recalling whe event. Everything I know about it I learned from movies.
 
President Kennedy was a favorite of my parents and unfortuantely he was assinated on my mother's birthday. So everytime she had a birthday party, or when Thanksgiving fell on this day,  I  heard about  this tramatic event.  I always feel sad for Caroline Kennedy on this day. 

Tiberius, that is what my father always said about JFK!
 
My dad always said that  Kennedy was the first presient smart enough not to look like Mr. Peanut at his inaugutation. 

Julia  Masi:   The  official  protocol  for  an  innauguration  calls  for  the  president  to  remove  his  hat  during  the  swearing  in  ceremony,  preferably  holding  it  with  his  left  hand  against  his  chest.   You  can  respect  proper  dress  codes  for  a  gentleman,  especially  in  Winter,  and  still  not  look  like  "Mr.  Peanut" .....  lol

Bert:  My dad spent the rest of his life using Kennedy as an example of men who didn't wear hats.  My father had extremely  thick silver hair so he always felt that hats didn't flatter him.  He actually said that he looked like a pervert in a hat.   

Some  people  cynically  say  that  JFK  only  entered  into  active  military  service  during  WWII  to  build  a  hero's  resume'  as  a  platform  for  later  seeking  public  office.   I  tend  to  agree,  to  the  limited  extent  that  such  a  value  of  service  may  have  crossed  his  mind.  Nevetheless  a  patrol  torpedo  boat  was  strictly  lightweight  in  the  arena  of  naval  combat,  and  Kennedy's  ultimate  mission  was  to  look  for  an  opportunity  to  attack  &  sink  the  heavy  Japanese  battleship  Yamato.  Unfortunately  one  of  her  destroyer  escorts  t-boned 
PT109,  cutting  her  in  half.   But  the  move  was  gutsy,  the  odds  for  success  were  slim  & none,  and  the  percentages  favoring  death  in  shark-infested  waters  were  astronomical.   It  took  a  man  with  balls  of  steel  to  avoid  personal  meltdown  during  the  Cuban  missle  crisis,  when  this  nation  stood  precariously  close  to  nuclear  war.  
Was  Kennedy  a  great  president?   The  Bay  of  Pigs  invasion  was  a  disaster,  and  the  Commander  in  Chief  took  the  criticism,  although  the  intelligence  services  failed  him  miserably.  His  tenure  in  office  was  short,  Congress  was  not  very  accommodating.  Frankly  we  will  never  know....insufficient  data  to  compute.  But  we  needed  a  hero,  and  that  in  and  of  itself  had  value.....

I was in fourth grade on 9/11, and my experience then was exactly the same...the principal made an announcement over the intercom...although mine was slightly different because my class was so loud we didn't hear the announcement, so when parents started pulling kids out of class we still didn't know what had happened. I know some classes who did hear it turned on the TV, and ended up watching the second plane. We were certainly glued to the TV that night, and I remember being absolutely terrified that America might go to war.

Julia  Massi:   Syllogism?     Bert  has  hair  that  has  gone  to  silver;
                                      Bert  also  continues  to  wear  fedoras;
                                      Therefore  Bert  also  looks  like  a  pervert?   lol,  I  hope  not, 
                                              no  disrespect  to  your  father

Velvet:   I  don't  know  you  from  a  hill  of  beans,  but  that  newspaper  boy's  cap  is  a  classy  &  very  feminine  touch.....jmo

Thanks! I found it in the back of my closet.

All  I  find  in  the  back  of  my  closet  are  mummified  mice.....lol

Hmmm, if Kennedy had lived, he'd be 92 years old now (or he'd be dead from some other cause -- presumably -- than gunshot wound).  

U S Presidents who did not serve in uniform

President
Service notes

John Adams
None

John Quincy Adams
None

Martin Van Buren
None

Grover Cleveland
He was drafted during the Civil War, but paid $150 for a substitute (a legal option under the terms of the Conscription Act of 1863, and his substitute survived the war).

William H. Taft
None, he was Secretary of War under President Theodore Roosevelt from 1904 to 1908.

Woodrow Wilson
He served as President during World War I.

Warren G. Harding
None

Calvin Coolidge
He is listed on Ancient and Honorable Artillery Company of Massachusetts website as "Commander-in-Chief" as Massachusetts Governor and then an Honorary member

Herbert Hoover
He served in a private (civilian) humanitarian capacity in Europe during World War I. However, he was involved in the Siege of Tientsin during the Boxer Rebellion.

Franklin D. Roosevelt
He attempted to join the Navy during the Spanish American War but was unable as he contracted measles. Served as Assistant Secretary of the Navy from 1913 and through World War I; when the U.S. entered the war in 1917 he offered his resignation so that he could apply for a commission in the Navy, but was refused by the President. Witnessed fighting in World War I. In a post World War I publication "Harvard in the War" he is listed among the Harvard's contributors to World War I effort. He served as President during World War II.

Bill Clinton
He received a draft deferment to avoid service in the Vietnam War.

Barack Obama
None
It is my opinion that to be Commander in Chief, one should have served his/her country in uniform in Some capacity....I cut and pasted theis info....hope it works...

Word of the Day for Sunday, November 22, 2009

affable \AF-uh-buhl\, adjective:

1. Easy to speak to; receiving others kindly and conversing with them in a free and friendly manner.
2. Gracious; benign.

perfect...

That election was the first time I voted.  It was such an innocent time and then, the end of that innocence; so shocking that this could happen to us.  A young, vibrant man; granted, a politician born and bred, but, how dare these people just take that life.  Agree with him or not; like him or not, it was a frightening time for us all.  Though we have since found that yes, he had feet of clay, I simply cannot, in any sense ever, compare him to the pedophile who's sister is rebuilding her career on his death.  The comparison did truly leave my mouth agape. 

Affable.....that's  what  I'll  be.   I  won't  muzzle  what  I  think,  but  I  plan  to  be  a  gentleman.   And  we  have   ladies  present.   Affable.....I  like  it.    Civility.

miss blue? have you grown sweet potatoes, if so, what variety would you recommend?
 
 

VELVET- You are totally rocking that cap! You are adorable- sorry if I sound motherly- you bring that out - in a really good way!!!

remembering.....last stop before dallas
 
 
 http://www.swl.usace.army.mil/parks/greersferry/index.htm

cuukoo1

I do not grow sweet potatoes or yams, as there are many producers within a few miles of me. I buy from an organic producer, Quail Cove. I have two bushel boxes of sweets in the pantry at the moment, Hernandez and O'Henry. The O'Henry is a white yam, very similar to the heirloom variety Hayman. Most folks use Hayman to refer to white yams around here, but true Haymans are getting very hard to find....subject to nematodes etc.

If you want to grow sweets, check with your local extension agent for varieties suitable for your soils etc. We LOVE to use the white yams as a vehicle for gravy.....

I also love sweets for breakfast with a nice latte'...the breakfast of champions!

JFK's death still bring emotions to the top doesn't it. You has deep feeling one way or the orther. What I remember most was seeing a man murder on television live. The shock of seeing Mr Ruby pull the trigger let me beathless, the violence  omg

MISS BLUE- I am from the midwest & did not discover sweet potatoes until we came down south to live. I love them! I love a baked sweet potato w/ sour cream, butter, & lots of salt & pepper.
 
Recently- I was down in the delta judging a bbq competition & I did not take the Clarksdale exit like I should have & continued along along until I was deep in Tunica. I called my husband & he steered me to this road that led into fields of cotton & more fields & then into a very, very unsavory lttle community. I was sort of freaking out & then I saw two young guys delivering sweet potatoes & they gave me directions & said, "Keep your doors locked." They asked me if I wanted to buy a 20 lb bag of sweet poataoes. I did & every time I eat one I think of those young gentlemen. I would have bought 3 goats from them, I was that thankful!

I was only a 2 and a half years old at the time of the assasination so I have no accessable memories of what I or anyone else was doing when it happened but from listiening to my parents when I was older, she and Dad bundled me, my twin and my younger sister into the Greenbriar station wagon and headed for Grandma Jones' house where every one of her twelve bothers and susters and their families were congragating to listen to the news on the radio. Grandma's big house (a former boarding house in the Gardenville neighborhood of Baltimore was the gathering place for the family whenever there was a crisis until she passed away when I was in my late twenties. My mother said that no matter what horrible things were going on in theworld, so long as there was a place where the family could gather to be together and talk about things, it was never as awful as it could have been. Unfortunately, by the time 9/11 happened my mother, all my grandparents, and several of my aunts and uncles had passed away and the rest of us were scattered around the world. There was no place to gather together and support ecah other in person while we waited to find out what happened next. My Dad was living in Manhattan and had a habit of taking early morning walks, the location dependent on the day of the week. On 9/11 my Dad would normally have been walking in or near the Twin Towers before having a late breakfast. When I saw the news immediately after the first plane crash and then watched the second plane crash and the buildings come down. I was so afraid my dad was there. Luckily, he was feeling rather under the weather and had foregone his daily routine to stay in bed. But I didn't know that until three days later when an amateur radio operator called me with a MARS message from my Dad saying that he was all right.I was so relieve I cried for over an hour. I think that one reasons we come here to the Eye is that all of us need a place to gather to try to make sense of the happenings in the worldwith our family (this one of intellect and friendship rather than blood) in the same way my parents and relatives gathered around the huge table in Grandma's basement kitchen to try to make sense of the violence that took the President's life 46 years ago today. Happily, we don't just gather together when things are bad but to share good news and good times as well. Thanks for giving us this place Mr. P. I really appreciate it.

DancingKatz:   I  give  you  a  full  military  salute,  your  post  was  worthy  of  it.    Someday  sanity  will  prevail,  I  have  to  cling  to  that  belief,  otherwise  I  am  overcome  by  depression.

As always, the Wikipedia is fascinating... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy .  I'd never realized that JFK was the first Boy Scout to become president.  At age 17 he was hospitalized in the Mayo Clinic.  He once spent a summer working as a ranch hand in Arizona (!).  At age 20 he "spent ten weeks driving with a friend through France, Italy, Germany, Holland, and England."  He was rejected for Army service after the beginning of WWII (but before the U.S. entered the conflict) andtraveled around South America before coming back and -- successfully -- entering the Navy.  And this was before Pearl Harbor!  This guy a fascinating life even before he did his thing on the PT-109.... Glad I checked the Wikipedia (as always!)

Miss Blue, I wonder which U.S. VICE presidents served and which didn't.....  As JFK's death showed, it's a short step from VP to the 'big chair'.....

When this discussion comes up I remember the kids were napping and I was writing letters and watching the soaps in our tiny home in Weaton, Md.
 
I couldn't get a phone line to call my husband.
 
The day of the funeral we bundled up the kids and drove to Washington to be on the roadside route.
 
My oldest, who was at that time 2 1/2, remembers that day. Not so much what was happening but that something very important was going on as he sat on his fathers shoulders.
 
I for one found it moving.
 
The TV coverage of the whole event was shocking to watch from begining to end.
 
To see things like that and 9-11 in real time takes my breath away.

father's

MISS BLUE- I must say I am in total agreement- anyone seeking the presidency SHOULD have served his or her country in some military capacity. It kind of boggles that this is not a requirement.

Doc...good point...looking for a list...
 
 
 
 

So much to discuss.

MissBlue: I am going to have to disagree with you about Presidents needing to serve first. There have been some spectacular failures of Presidents who had honorable service. Grant was one of the best Generals and one of the worst Presidents. Nixon served, but it didn't stop his criminal activities. And quite frankly, I don't think flying training missions over Louisiana gave G.W. Bush any specific insight into the Presidency.

The Constitution has it right: Age limit and Citizenship requirements. They have always been met, and they are all we need.

ON TOPIC:

I am far too young to remember the Kennedy assassination. I wasn't born until 1978. I never saw "JFK".

But what I did see was the British Sci-Fi Comedy "Red Dwarf"'s view of the event. In their version, the main characters travel back in time and accidentally nudge Oswald out the window before he can fire a fatal shot, resulting in Kennedy only being wounded. They then had to deal with certain changes in the world. It was an interesting exercise, and this is what (I think) they came up with:

1. Kennedy's Presidency continued for at least one full term.
2. The Vietnam war ended before the end of that term.
3. Civil Rights laws were passed earlier.
4. The U.S. came in second to the Russians in the race to the Moon, but still made it (which, somehow, stranded the future travelers in the past).
5. Jackie left Kennedy because of his philandering with various women.
6. Kennedy impeached for sharing a mistress with a Crime Boss, and letting that influence the Government.

The crew kidnap Kennedy on his way to Federal Prison and take him back to Dallas so he can be the "man behind the grassy knoll", and save his place in history. The best line was "it will drive the conspiracy theorists nuts, but they'll never figure it out."

I'm not so certain that it's JFK's assasination that gets some of us all emotional, as it is that the other some of us seem to forget that he was assassinated, not crucified.
 
I remember where I was, I remember crying, I remember being glued to the television -- but it was almost 50 years ago and really, I'm over it.
 
I'm more concerned with who's next than I am in mourning one who'd have surely died of old age by now had he not be killed by assasination.
 
While some might not find my comment affable enough for a Sunday, forgive me for I know not how to stop myself:  sweetness and light has never been my strong suit.
 
Honesty is more to my liking.

corrections:  assassination.  Two s's, two times.

 
 
 
 
Grant was a reforming Republican...actually a champion of Civil rights...not very popular idea even with Northern whites of his rea....I think historians are now revisiting his presidency..He must have had something going for him, served two terms.

that's era.
 

off to work in the Greenhouse.

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Grant is actually my favorite "dead president".   (wink wink!)    

I'm still hangin'out in yesterday........

Since our 'disagreement' the other day, lecoeurdeviehas been absent :-(  If anyone here is in touch with lecoeurdevie, let him (or her?) know it was certainly NOT my intention to flame or drive away ANYONE.  Frankly, I have a thick skin, so there's certainly no problem from MY side.... If you're lurking out there lecoeurdevie, come on back and rejoin our sometimes contentious discussions :-) 

Maybe it depends how old you were at the time but, i was 14 and in math class.  He    was   assasinated!  It was incredibly shocking.  It felt like the world caved in...then Oswald...I didn't see it on TV because we didn't have one... then King and Bobby.  The world wasn't the same....ever.  Just as it isn't the same after 9/11.
 
Ivan,  I am surprised at your anger... it's just us...you know.  I am only 12 years younger and there are a lot of us who were around. 
 
I do think a president should have served in the military...not at a desk job.  So that he or she knows what horror he/she is sending our young people to.  That he/she ,akes sure the country is prepared to support the troops for the rest of their lives if needed upon return.
 
There was something so human about Kennedy and his young family in the Whitehouse.  I remember when the baby died...  Of course, we didn't know how "human" Kennedy really was!
 
Slightly off topic.  I was doing an estate years ago.  It was a ranch and was purchased by the owener of the property next store.  He had a huge car colection and was running out of room.  One of the first cars that he moved over was Marilyns car that Jack gave her.  It was huge!!  The fins looked as if they could do damage...baby blue and white leather upholstry I think.

PL- I sometimes hang out in twenty years ago. It's all good if it makes you happy...

bebe:  that, I like.  What's going on in twenty years ago, today?  Is it a nice day there?  Are people having a good Sunday?
 
you're funny.
all your bebe-isms.

I remember this day...I was only eight years old.  My teacher just started crying after the announcement came over the PA....it was the first day in my short lifetime everything just stood still for a brief time.  When I was older and studied JFK, I did not care for his politics but I do very much respect the position.  I do not care for the current resident of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, but I repsect that he is the President of the United States. 

Doc Nolan:  thanks for the reccomendation.  I had been looking for a good Baroque station.  I was getting tired of fold Alley.

Military service should be a requirement for running for President.
 
Dancingkatz, would you consider running for office?  You can  get plenty of debating practice here. 
 
Velvet;  Your newsboy cap is fabulous!
 
Bert: you are always affable. From your profile picture you like Edward Norton. Definitely not a pervert!  Although he did play a priest and a sociopath both of which are probably needed in this village.      

Now I wish I had the cap with me, since everyone likes it so much!
I don't think I know much about military service, but I took History of the Viet Nam War last year. I met quite a few vets, and meaning no disrespect, but their PTSD was pretty severe...I wouldn't want to be under the charge of any of them specifically. However, I won't make any assumptions about the vet community as a whole.

Just sitting here watching the Stillers fall apart against a 2 and 7 team and pondering everything which is going on here and the meaning of the day.
 
I am very happy that I am on holiday from school this week, and even though I still have assignments to complete, my days will be much shorter.
 
So today seems to be the annivesary of the Kenedy murder. At first glance, the date seems to have no affect on me, but if I mull it over a bit, today is significant. The fifties ended with a literal bang, well a gunshot really and America exploded into the sixties with bits of the president's skull. Like Bert's classmate, many American teenagers hero-worshipped Kennedy. How fitting it was that just a scant two-and-a-half months later, the Beatles appeared on Ed Sullivan (Feb 9. 1964). American tears became American cheers. The pastoral quality of America was gone and were were begining to question our leaders more than ever before.
 
Now for the conspiracy theory, of whcih I have two. 1) Multiple assassins, all acting independently of each other, were all in Dallas that day, creating the Perfect Storm. 2) Kennedy wasn't killed, but his body double was. Since the American Government could never admit that they used body doubles, Kennedy had cede power to Johnson.
 
Michael, Red Dwarf is an awesome show. Haven't seen it in PBS for a while now.
 
I noticed we've been talking about hats today as well. I too, am an aficianado of hats, mostly driver's caps but I do have a couple of fedoras.
 

Correction: I am watching the Stillers dominate the Chiefs in Kansas City. How quickly the tide has turned.

EADutton, welcome.
 
 
"Ask not what your country can do for you--ask what you can do for your country."
 
Words I wish this Nation could live by.
 
It doesn't matter who said it first,Oliver Wendell Holmes or JFK.
 
http://www.famousquotes.me.uk/speeches/John_F_Kennedy/5.htm

Green Bay has an appreciable lead over San Francisco.
 
At this moment...anyhow.

 
 
 
 
 
 
in liberal thinking or Foot ball, PARK4

I have many hats, but I rarely wear them. I'll wear a cap when working outside, or if it is quite cold, but otherwise I am bareheaded.

One of my biggest pet peeves is how many hats are worn today. I don't really understand the purpose of the backwards baseball cap. It's like they all want to be the catcher.

Hi  Julia,  Miss  Blue,  Park4.    Oh  yeah,  hi  guys!    OK,  kid  back  from  church  &  still  not  grumpy......she's  up  to  SOMETHING.    Maybe  the  restaurant  fare  put  her  in  a  coma.....10  chicken  nuggets,  fries,  double  cheeseburger,  diet  coke. 
 
 

Bert - you would be shocked to know how many fedoras, and other various hats that I have throughout the house. Ballcapss are not allowed. Ok, I do have one ballcap, left over from the Navy.

Velvet does look pretty cool in her hat there, but it looks to me like an Ivy, or drivers cap, not a newsboy. I could be wrong though.

Julia,  one  day  I  have  an  Edward  Norton  story  for  you.
 
Miss  Blue:  Kennedy  called  for  a  commitment  by  youth  to  national  service.  I  have  no  problem  mandating   that  those  seeking  student  loans  be  expected  to  serve  a  term  in  exchange  for  the  help,  with  the  satisfactory  completion  of  the  service  partially  amortizing  the  balance  owing.  And  yes,  the  concept  should  be  bipartisan.
 
Park4:  Are  you  behaving  yourself  today?   Oh  really!   >>That's  what  I  was  afraid  of.....<
 
 

For those advocating military service as a requirement for the presidency, I would suggest you read the opening chapters of the Sci-Fi novel "Starship Troopers" (which was made into a horribly done movie franchise). If you concentrate on the political statement being made, you may see a disturbing idea.

Ignore the bits about the Space Bugs.

In last monthes issue of Vanity Fair there was the following article. 
 
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2009/10/death-of-a-president200910
 
Growing up we always heard the Where we here when JFK, RFK was shot stories around those dates... The Funeral was held on my Mom's B-day so it's always been a par tof my sister & my life growing up.  
 
This article was a real eye opened for me ~ History is my favorite subject but it seems the schools tend tos top teaching it at about WWII ~ so anything from the late 50's on up is really not taught & to find out you have to ask or start learing yourself. The part that hit me the hardest was the fact that I NEVER even thought about the actual political climate of Texas at the time.  Something so simple & so telling about that time period & what was going on in our country & I would venture to say outside of Texas it's a topic never mentioned when taught in history class.
 
 
 
 
 
 

Daniel Zec ~ It was the men on the Grassy Knoll ~ I think there were 3. That's my Conspircay theory & I'm sticking to it..
 
I did ask my mom today if Jack Ruby ever did tell why he shot Oswald? you hear about how JFK was shot & how Oswald was shot on live TV & they took Ruby into Custody.. Then it seems as if the story stops. Did Ruby ever say anythign to anyone out there? Tha'ts what i wnat to know..... Was it the mob, was it Castro, was it LBJ, was he one of the 3 guys on the grassy knoll?.... Iquiring minds want to know...
 

Bert~ I looked at Velvet's hat, it is indeed a driver's or ivy. Good eye, my virtual friend.

PARK- yes it is a wonderful Sunday. My father is making a pitcher of bloody marys, people are reading the newspaper and talking. The smell of bacon is in the air- life is/was good.

Sometimes one needs to go back to the warmth of an earlier time.

It is a melancholy, gray Sunday. perfect for napping w/ a cat or two, reading, and listening to the Jonathan Schwartz Sunday radio show. (Have you ever heard Tierney Sutton sing? I think you would love her.)

Thanks Miss PARK. May your Sunday be still and lovely.

Bebe..nap with a cat or two sounds good.  I have the community cold.. back to bed.

PARK4:  Good On You !!!
 
 
KIM:   Thank You for commenting ... I must simply say that, my "Anger" was stirred by the very point I made, and the Question I asked, that I have asked before, and no one has ever had the testicular fortitude to answer ... Why is it that opinions that differ from the Leftists opinions are attacked, maligned, and the cause of personalized sarcastic response ?  Thats all ... It pisses me off not a little that I go to great lengths to defend the Right of any person to say what is on his mind, whether he agrees with me or not, and have never attacked anyone, just because he disagrees with me. How would that be Fair ???  What I don't need is someone not long out of Pampers passing pseudointellectual psycholgic judgement on me ... What I want, is a little Rachmones ... I deserve it, and I have earned it ...

I was born the 1st of the year in 1960. I remember the assassination of JFK because of the reaction of my parents watching the whole thing on T.V. ( or the Boob-toob as my dad called the Box )

JFK election was the 'handing over the torch' to the youth of America like Obama is today. The Beatles were lighting a wildfire across the scene of the time in the UK arriving in the U.S. in 64. The tensions of change were in the air and taking hold in the American culture. Change seems to breed vulnerability and insecurity in the Human psyche.

It was the 1st nationally televised Presidential assassination. (McKinley Sept 1901) We were all in audience to that moment filled with the faces of everyone reacting to the shooting (Walter Cronkite); the grief, the shock, the panic of that moment reached every living room with a T.V.. How fragile life really is was thrust in your face and no one was safe; not even a President for a new generation.

I recognize those ingredients as ones that imprint on the emotional mind of the public.

As a public, we still had a level of civility and respect for our Presidents. There was decorum even among members of the press. The private affairs of a President was off limits in reporting at the time vs that of Clinton (when it came to his sexual impropriety, etc.).

As far as Military service as a requirement to be President, I would not require it. I realize there is a greater sense of unity perceived military man to military man ( or woman ). " He's walked in my shoes." perception.

I know from my own experience that I can be outside the Military Machine and still respect and understand the gravity of the situation. War is serious business. There are lives at stake and honor to be maintained. I may not serve. I have those in my family that have all the way back to Korea. I respect them as human beings and have witnessed the long term effects of war through their experience ( you wake Uncle Gordon up from a nap with a broom handle if you value your life).

A Military President, Eisenhower, warned us about the Military Complex. He was looking for balance, I think.

I do think our society would benefit from public service as a requirement for graduation from High School. I believe the experience gained opens ones mine to a broad range of ideas and cultures. It showed me our common ground as Humans.

My main concern now is the profound polarization of the country. Congress is out of control playing out an extreme version of 'us against them'. Who's them? A citizen of the "United" States? A teacher, a gardener, a student, a parent, a son or daughter, a rocket scientist, religious leader, Military person: A Human Being sharing a Human Experience of this life.

We are all made of flesh, bones, space and water. We all want to be deeply happy, healthy and not suffer. We all have our perspectives of what elements it might take to help those goals along.

It's the climate of fear/anger scares me. Those strong emotions can lead to the point of conversation of today, The lose of a President.

I want to talk to people that disagree with me so I have the opportunity to not get stuck in a perspective to the point that I will carelessly defend it with anger(blind rage), labeling(liberal, conservative; us against them) and name calling.

That seems to be the mess we are in currently as a country. That will be the undermining of our Republic.

We need to work for optimum solutions to our Nations Challenges not buying votes with Pork or folding our arms across our chest and not participating in the debate that may reach effective compromise. Let's drop the labels and roll up our sleeves and get to WORK!

Military Industrial Complex Sorry, I'm bad

Jalopkin:  When you say, "Why is it that opinions that differ from the Leftists opinions are attacked, maligned, and the cause of personalized sarcastic response?" I might point out that 'Conservative' talk show hosts pioneered the practice of attacking maligning, and engaging in sarcastic response.  I am NOT talking about such conservatives as George Will, David Brooks, the late William F. Buckley, Newt Gingrich, and other thoughtful (and sober) persons, but of such spiteful, hateful, and divisive demagogues as Anne Coulter, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck,Bill O'Reilly.  I consider myself a moderate (yeah, there are other Americans than just 'conservatives' and 'liberals'!).  I'll attack any opinion I consider ridiculous, divisive, or plain hateful, but (like many of us in the center) I'll try to do so while presenting my thoughts in as clear and unemotional a manner as possible.  I suspect what many of us who are NOT conservatives NOR liberals resent is the anti-intellectual pandering to emotions shown by extremists.... And that's why this forum (with exceptions) is head and shoulders above most of what I see on TV or hear on the radio.  We have no 'ratings' in PE to worry about, so we can afford to speak to each civilly, much as the Founding Fathers did when they met during a hot summer in Philadelphia -- trying to forge a document superior to the Articles of Confederation -- hoping to "form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty..."  It sure would be nice if all the ideologues were trying to do something like all these today......

I have to disagree about "public service as a requirement for graduation from High School."
 
That's way way way too left for me.  I can be a little left, and a little more left, but I had plans after high school that involved getting a student loan (got it, and repaid it in full with interest in the same cold hard cash it was lent to me in) -- and went to college for 4 years plus one year, got a degree, went on to work, marry, have a child, work, stay married, raise same child, and when I wasn't busy taking care of my own business and being a good citizen of these United States, I think I was sleeping.
 
Start telling anyone who's lived and is living a full, busy, legal, profitable, charitable life that they should put that off to put in some public service right after high school, and I'm going to tell you with the most impassioned impersonal way that you're way off track.
 
That came out nicer than I intended.
 
I don't need nor did I ever need to be "drafted" (which is what it is) into public service while I put my life on hold.  Not me.  Maybe you, but not me.  Volunteer all you want, I did.  I still do.  The difference is that I did it after I'd graduated from high school with honors and college with honors and began at the right time a life that I consider, looking back, quite honorable.
 
And I did all that without being conscripted into some public service project.
 
The world would be a better place in my humble you know what if more people were motivated to do and get on with their lives, and live it well -- than put if off so that they experience "a broad range of ideas and cultures..." and "...our common ground as Humans."
 
If that's your thing, go do your social programs.  As for me, I know all about "our common ground as Humans," and I learned it the old-fashioned way:  by living well and with my eyes wide open-- and not being a wastral of the precious and very short time I have on this earth.

DOC NOLAN:  Well put ....... Now go and find an Etymologist and look up the meaning of the word, NICE ...
 
 
Have a Nice Day ...

A thought to the merchants of hate:  let's not only think about JFK, but the sad story of Yitzak Rabin, Israeli Prime Minister, assassinated November 4, 1995.  Yigal Amir, the murderer, thought he was 'saving Israel'; Rabin's death was preceded by a lot of hate speech which inspired the 25-year old to action.  I didn't know thise following:  "Before leaving the stage on the night of the assassination, Rabin had been singing Shir LaShalom (literally Song for Peace), along with Israeli singer Miri Aloni. After he died, a sheet of paper with the lyrics was found in his pocket, stained with blood."  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yitzhak_Rabin

JFK's assassination (and Rabin's) were nothing new.... the Anarchist Movement killed several heads of state and countless others between 1878 and 1928.  (It's a contemporary delusion that 'terrorism' is a recent development... it has been around for centuries!).   Here's a list of the murderous toll exacted by Anarchists... get ready to be shocked at size and scope of this listing!  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_of_the_deed#Regicides_and_other_assassinations

But I don't want to have a precise day.

"PRECISE"  Try Again ...

And, not NICHE ... Nice .......

well...
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q85rPq1u9sc

I don't really want to have a foolish day either . . . well, actually, that sounds rather pleasant at the moment.

It all began with affable.
 
 
<wink @ cuukoo>

or...
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JZUHFuklo8&NR=1

or...
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP164gIJaac
 
 
 
 
<get it?!>

PARK4 cuukoo
as i see it
 
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YSF5SfqF2o

Making public service a requiement for high shcool graduation sounds great until you actually have a mob of kids show up at a soup kitchen or a clothing drive.  If the kids don't want to be there, they'll drive everybody nuts.
 
         

Ms. Blue, lol!
I can recognize quite a few of us in there, including myself.
 
oh what a weeeeek.
 
!!
 
 

JALOPKIN- I didn't comment because the the thought of possible verbal fisticuffs w/ anyone was one thing I had no desire to engage in.
 
I will say that as I get older (& hopefully wiser) I understand how a David Horowitz could go in the complete opposite direction- from a raging left wing radical to the neo conservative he is today. I find that transformation completely fascinating.And completely believable...
 
You are a good man who has much wisdom to impart. Your temper scared me today.

Each of us remembers where he/she was that terrible day; what she waas doing; how she heard. A neighbor who knew I didn't keep tv on during the day (my children thought it didn't work Captain Kangaroo went off) called to say "turn on your TV!

I did, was mesmerized. People do the oddest things: I ran to his crib and grabbed up my six-month old, corraled my 20month old, and, and we sat bundled together on The Big Bed, heir term for our king-sized one.

The 'phone rang. a reporter seeking interviews about "how you feel.' I said, "I can't talk. I must hold my children"and hung up. I remained with an eye on tv all day, feeling frightened: never in my lifetime had a president been assassinated; it seemed the bottom had fallen out. We were vulnerable.
Despite watching lBJ being sworn in on Air Force One, I couldn't right my thoughts, make sense of the world; we were hanging by a thread.

The rest of that memorable, infamous weekend, I, with other Americans, watched...with The Naval Hymn a continuo beneath all, I watched the funeral procession, the riderless horse, John-John saluting. Another loss, I thought, for Rose Kennedy, how can she bear it?

Like cities everywhere, we had memorial services in churches of every persuasion, then a gigantic one at the city auditorium, where the Choral SOciety had been asked to sing. Our founder/director, without a by-your-leave from anyone, invited the choir from Paine College, an all-black institution, to join us on the stage. She understood how you must accomplish things here -- bit by bit, person by person, so it will 'take.' I'd had trouble finding a sitter, was breathless when I arrived.

We sang The Naval Hymn, which I never hear without images of that day, and Brahms' "How Lovely Is Thy Dwelling Place" before I was collected enough to realize that for the first time ever, black and white occupied the same stage, our director in the middle. EVen that, though, was a giant step, for nothing was integrated.

The lush Brahms' piece isn't difficult, everyone knew it from somewhere, but at that one tricky spot for the alti in the second score, I realized I was crying. I looked around and saw I was not alone; realized we wept perhaps less for the fallen president than for what his death occasioned here that day -- our mingle of black and white, for the first time.

Years later, I spent headachy hours staring at whirring microfische copies of the local newspaper -- for that day and all around it. Seeking some mention of what we'd managed through the grace of one woman with vision. NOthing. Not one word had any reporter written about that marvel. I felt like the last of a dying breed -- only we who were there know what happened. I believe JFK would have liked it.

Georgia:   I  believe  that  everything,  even  evil  things,  happens  for  a  reason.  Perhaps  it  is  a  test  for  the  rest  of  us  to  see   how  we  handle  adversity.   There  will  always  be  sickness,  death,  and  evil  with  us.   How  we  respond  makes  us  human.   Reaching  out  to  those  in  distress  &   growing  inside  notwithstanding  our  pain,  those  are  good  things.  Your  post  was  comforting  to  me.   Don't  ever  be  ashamed  of  your  insecurities  &  tears  in  the  face  of  adversity.....you  kept  going,  and  you  did  so  more  appreciative  of  what  really  matters......family,  friends,  values  that  matter.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Iu8y2pvuRg

GEORGIA- What a beautiful story.

Michael, I have read Starship Troopers several times over the years. THe world it paint sis very frightening (and not just because of the alien "Bugs". I was totally disappointed by the film (except for the wonderfully done "propaganda interruptions" which really was the only part of the films that truly matched the nature of the text). When it comes down to it. Robert Heinlein was a political subversive, he hid a lot of his own political views and commentary in his collection of juveniles, of which Starship Troopers was one. It was only in re-reading it as an adult with some experience under my belt that I was able to recognize the political subtext.

Bert, thank you for the compliment on my first post. I hope you had a nice relaxing weekend after dealing with the CE sessions this past week.

Julia, I admit that I have thought about running for office at the local level (township commissioner or councilman, for example) but I'm leery about the idea of running for any thing at a higher level. I feel that I don't know enough to be able to make good decisions outside of a small arena. Besides I'm not sure about how the electorate would feel about a divorced, childless candidate for any congressional or executive office. So since it appears that political office is not in the cards for me, I am very vocal and active in letting the men and women who are in office know what I think and want.

This past election day I was asked repeated as I ran my errands and went to work with my "I voted" sticker on my lapel I was repeatedly asked what I voted on what issue and who I voted for for the various local political offices. I suppose that everyone who asked me thought I was horribly rude because I responded, "They are called secret ballots for a reason" and then would change the subject. The same thing happened at the last presidential election except I was being repeatedly asked who I was going to vote for while waiting in line to get my card for the voting machine and the language used was "You are going to vote for X, aren't you?" I felt threatened by the questions (and still do even though that election is long over). I came very close to taking advantage of the absentee ballot this time around because of it.

I'm getting off topic. Sorry.

Well, still being off topic but on a less nitro-glycerine-ish note, I wish gentlemen's and ladies' hats would make a comeback. There is something charming and addictive about having a gent touch the brim of his hat as he gives me a smile of greeting as we pass each other on the street. Of course, I make certain to respond with and courteous nod and smile of my own.

Stoney:  There  are  alternate  verses  of  the  Navy  Hymn.  The  one  I  like  best  focuses  on  friends  &  family:
 
     God,  who  dost  still  the  restless  foam
     protect  the  ones  we  love  at  home.
     Provide  that  they  should  always  be
     By  thine  own  grace  both  safe  and  free.
     Oh  father  hear  us  when  we  pray
     For  those  we  love  so  far  away.
 
I  used  to  think  that  aviator  glasses  were  there  to  shield  the  eyes  from  the  distracting  effects  of  the  sun.   It  didn't  take  long  to  learn  that  their  main  purpose  may  actually  be  to  enable the  bearer  of  bad  tidings  to  be  appear  to  be  strong,  when  the  families  of  the  fallen  need  reassurance  that  the  sacrifices  of  their  sons  &  daughters  were  not  given  in  vain.

The unchanged sentence referred to and preceding it was....

"We have no 'ratings' in PE to worry about, so we can afford to speak to each civilly, much as the Founding Fathers did when they met during a hot summer in Philadelphia -- trying to forge a document superior to the Articles of Confederation -- hoping to "form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty..."

I'm not sure if Jalopkin is stating that it's foolish, stupid or senseless that "we can afford to speak to each civilly" (option one) OR...

that it was foolish, stupid or senseless that the Founding Fathers hoped to forge a document superior to the Articles of Confederation -- hoping to "form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty..." [The quote incidentally is from the Preamble to the Constitution.]

Perhaps there's a third meaning I'm missing?

PARK- Masterpiece Contemporary- a most tangled web...

THIS IS WHAT I MEANT TO POST (I foolishly, stupidly and senselessly dropped the first paragraph when posting my comment immediately above!) Taking Jalopkin up on the etymology of the word "nice" (which I discover originally meant 'foolish, stupid, or senseless), and substituting this meaning into my sentence, we come up with "It sure would be FOOLISH, STUPID or SENSELESS if all the ideologues were trying to do something like all these today".  
The unchanged sentence referred to and preceding it was....

"We have no 'ratings' in PE to worry about, so we can afford to speak to each civilly, much as the Founding Fathers did when they met during a hot summer in Philadelphia -- trying to forge a document superior to the Articles of Confederation -- hoping to "form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty..."

I'm not sure if Jalopkin is stating that it's foolish, stupid or senseless that "we can afford to speak to each civilly" (option one) OR...

that it was foolish, stupid or senseless that the Founding Fathers hoped to forge a document superior to the Articles of Confederation -- hoping to "form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty..." [The quote incidentally is from the Preamble to the Constitution.]

Perhaps there's a third meaning I'm missing?

And perhaps that third meaning was that it is foolish, stupid and senseless to speak civilly? I'm sure, Jalopkin, that you will be direct in clarifying matters, right?  ;-) 

DancingKatz:   Thanks,  the  rest  of  the  weekend  was  somewhat  of  an  anticlimax.   I  do  what  I  do  with  passion,  and  I  expect  the  same  from  everybody  else.   Had  to  bash  a  few  heads,  metaphorically  speaking,  but  it's  critical  that  neophytes  and  slackers  know  right  from  jump  street  that  what  we  do  radically  affects  people's  lives,  individually  and  collectively.  Somebody  who  was  obsessively  reducing  every  exchanged  word  to  writing  got  back  to  me  this  afternoon.....it  seems  that  at  one  point  in  a  moment  of  frustration  I  apparently  yelled  "Son,  either  do  what  it  takes  to  run  with  the  big  dogs,  or  get  the  hell  off  the  porch..."  lol

Not real certain what kind of Book is being used to referrence, NICE, and maybe it is a Post Helenistic publication ... but it is only Close, but No Cigar .......
 
 
The most improperly, overly used word in the English Language is, NICE  What it actually means, has obviously been Connotatively changed, like most everything else, and is STILL wrong ...
 
NICE ... is rooted in the Latin word, NESSIUS ... which clearly means, I G N O R A N T !!!!!!!
 
 Next time someopne tells you that you are, NICE ... smack 'em one .......
 
To believe anything else is, NICE .......

JALOPKIN: A 72-year-old Republican Male.

Now, WE know.

“They just won't let that Bastard die,” JALOPKIN says about John F. Kennedy.

WE prefer to honor JFK’s legacy.

JALOPKIN addresses Us as “Cybersnot,” “Sidewalk Psychologists” and “Those of you who lean Left, or worse.”

WE respect each other, in an atmosphere of open and intelligent conversation.

Happy Birthday, JALOPKIN.

I like your new affection for capitalizing words you deem important.

It makes it much easier for the rest of us to figure out what specifically to ignore.

May you grow wiser with every year.

Love,

JillyBean

Oh, before I forget... thank you for all the kind thoughts and feel better wishes yesterday and Friday. My back is feeling much better. There's still a few twinges here and there but I was able to go out and about today and get my errands and laundry done without any trouble. Bless you all!

Incredibly Cute Jilly ....... and monumental proof to my point ....... Altho' I am surprised it was you who sprang the trap .......
 
 
But it is, very NICE of you .......

And By The Way ....... there WAS no      "US"      being addressed ... just one person .......
 
However, if the shoe fits ..............

Jalopkin a belated Happy Birthday. Of course you are entitled to express your opinions as everyone is theirs.
 And you have your cute moments too.  Zaa Ghizint, my virtual friend.

Happy belated Birthday Jalopkin!  I get a kick out of your posts.  I we all agreed on everything then we wouldn't be a little village, we'd be a cult.

  
Re: Masterpiece Contemporary...

This was the other year of every other year that I ought to have been stung by a wasp. I wasn't. Somethings else came along I guess.

The restaurant girl reminded me of a lab partner who fell in love with me before I mentioned a wife and children. That never happened again.

Not that another reason for just killing the damned wasp was really needed.


Viva Jalopkin!

MntSunShine ~ I DON'T WANT Obama's Torch ~ PLEASE can we blow it out, hand it back, Douse water on it?..... just DO SOMETHING ?!!!!!! It'sn not abig secret tha t I happen to learn a little more right than left. and I'm alright with that ~ It's also nothing personal or raciest that I think Obama's  plans are crap I though GWB plans were crap also & a few of Clintons.... I didn't vote for that particular ticket becuase I did not agree with his vison for the country. I wonder if I were alive in the 1960 election if I would have felt the same way about Kennedy?..  

 rings90,

You wouldn't have... really.

I am more than a little disappointed in the tone which the discourse of the weekend has taken.
I get busy, and look what happens...
I think we can all do a little better.
 
And I still wear hats (both veiled and clear) and gloves.

  
O,

Would that be JUST hats and gloves?

Olivia - I'm disappointed too. We all wake up on the wrong side of the bed now and then, but jeezy creezy...

Gloves are nice (I looked up "nice" at Dictionary.com and it said "pleasing; agreeable; delightful" so I'm going with that) . JP got me addicted to driving gloves. My sister wanted to know why I always wore gloves while driving and I told her that driving without gloves is like riding a bike without shoes. To me anyway.

Bert - If you don't already know of it, you might enjoy http://www.thefedoralounge.com/

ANDY:  What the hell is the matter with you people ??? WHAT comparison ??? What I said was, that this Public would probably keep hiom alive forever the way they have Kennedy ... There is no comparison there ... Only a lament, over the sorry state of the values of the amerikan public ...

STONEY: I Thank You for the Cheer, and Congratulate you on your Good Taste, as always, trimmed with Reason ....... 

i missed Iven's Birthday?

Happy Belated birthday friend!

Jillybean,,,you ASSUME  Ivan is a Republican. I think he is an Independent leaning heavily to Libertarian.

I am politically unaffiliated, but am sick and tired of the "R "word being tossed around like "witch" in Salem.

It would be very interesting to see how far Mr. Kennedy would tow the line on the Democrat Party's current platform.

Bert and Bebe, thank you.

I wear and adore hats, veiled and not, and yes, when it suits, gloves. Always have, always will, just because I like them.

And a man who wears hats, well, now, that's grand. A fedors? I melt.... Shades of Francis Albert Sinatra.

  http://www.elabs7.com/functions/message_view.html?mid=898016&mlid=499&siteid=20130&uid=088444ae16

...and tailored skirt suits, coat dresses, and retro dresses, many of them from our host, thank you very much Steven...
And don't forget the spectator pumps *winks at DPR*.

Olivia, I believe we share a closet.

Stoney,. what a -- I lack an adjective for the poem you gave us, but it simultaneously brought chill bumps and tears. Thank you.

Perhaps I got up on the wrong side of the bed today (actually it's tomorrow, EYE time, but I'm still on yesterday...you know how that is), but I'm deeply annoyed by Ivan's "bastard" reference to the late president.

And sorry I missed your birthday, Ivan. Many many more!

I'm not oblivious to the lesser aspects of the 'Camelot" mystique, nor blinded by it, but JFK and his wife brought grace and, for the first time ever, a poet laureate and his ilk to the White House.

I recommend a very slim volume of essays by William Styron, himself no slouch, titled "Havanas in Camelot." By no means are all the essays about "Camelot,' which describes his one invitation and visit to the President, with whom he shared a love oif cigars. The others, all short, are no less well-written. I'm more drawn to fiction, but William Styron's excellent fiction drew me to this book of essays.

It says a little something that Kennedy had to dinner writers, artists, poets, painters, not just politicians and Wall Street, as we remember him this week, no matter our politics then or now.

I liked the Kennedy term for what you wrote in your last paragraph Georgia.  I think we can thank his lovely young wife for things cerebral in the White House during the couple years she lived there.  She was cultured, and he seemed to appreciate her being cultured.
 
She brought Pablo Casals there, to dinner, and that was an elegant first. 
 
She did a lot to bring the arts to politics.
 
I did like Jacqueline.  Such a stylish change from Mamie!

And what Stoney said:
 
Viva! Ivan, my friend.

STONEY- I'm torn between thinking the wasp was a brilliant touch & thinking it was the posh, Brit version of Bobby in the shower in the famous "Dallas" cliffhanger. I do think the girl from the diner was breathtakingly pretty.

Park4, we agree on many things....

JOHN, I love you for still hangin' out on yesterday...that's how my words here happened, when really I should've been on the rest of the world's "today."
Here, we make magic; we have thesepia train and you, dear friend.

Stoney, I do love your wasp story, and I'm not atall surprised she fell in love with you.

EDWARD NORTON story? Who was it promised that? I want to bew here when you tell it....

Of hats...besides honest-to-God hats, veiled and not, I, too, love caps and have several, VELVET -- newsboy, drivers', all sorts, I've owned for years -- and the Handsome thug" cap courtesy of Our Host, plus a wonderful JP deep forest green one out of another time. To wear with my JP out of another time clothes. Years old, of course. They never die, so one can have a wealth of them.

And I can't explain it, but I'm simply drawn to a man in a great hat.

the way things are going, I may never get to "today"..."yesterday" is so interesting ON TOPIC and OFF