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Before Aviation History Month slips into the wild blue yonder, it would be an oversight if we didn't talk about an amazing chapter in aviation history. 

In 1941, the New York Herald Tribune published a letter from a woman who was tired of sitting at home worrying about the war:

"If I were only a man, there would be a place for me," she wrote.

Many women shared similar feelings of frustration, eager to play an active role in the conflict, but held back because of tradition and resentment.

Out of this frustration, WASP was born.

Otherwise known as Women Airforce Service Pilots

They were civilian women pilots employed to fly military aircraft under the direction of the United States Army Air Forces during World War II, and could do everything their male counterparts could do.

Except fight in combat.

They flew every airplane in the USAAF’s inventory, including half of all pursuit planes delivered during the war.

When male pilots were reluctant to fly the new B-29 Superfortress because of mechanical difficulties experienced during testing, two WASPs took one on a tour of air bases to show the men how safe the plane was.

Women towed targets for aerial gunnery practice, simulated strafing, served as flight instructors, and ran check flights for recently repaired aircraft.

A WASP became the first woman to fly the YP-59 jet.

In total, women logged 60 million miles in the air.

Thirty-eight WASPs were killed performing their duties.

By the end of 1944, with the war in Europe ending soon, men lobbied hard for duties the WASP’s were doing.

End of WASPS.

But not before their leader Jacqueline Cochran argued for a one-day militarization, which would at least give her women veteran status and access to GI Bill benefits.

She was denied.

WASPs were granted veteran status in 1977, and given the Congressional Gold Medal in 2009.

Too late for some.

But not too late to pay our respects to these brave women who fought the good fight in the only way they could.

J. Peterman

 

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November 30, 2011 12:06 AM
Bisa-avatar 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1 JaxZ said...

I can cure your men of walking off the [flight] program. Let's put on the girls.

— Jacqueline Cochran

November 30, 2011 12:11 AM
Cestmoiparis 10photoviewsFirst-comFirst-photoFirst-review Alison said...

This is a wonderful thing to be reminded of. Thanks for this! I'm always glad to read these pieces of history, and wish this kind of subject would be the fodder for more movies, rather than the dreck we're too often stuck with.

November 30, 2011 12:13 AM
Bisa-avatar 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1 JaxZ said...

Jacqueline Cochran
Type: Aviator
Nationality: American
Born: May 11, 1906
Died: August 7, 1980

Jackie Cochran set more speed and altitude records than any of her contemporaries, male or female. She not only became one of the world's great aviatrixes but also one of the best pilots of either gender.

November 30, 2011 1:42 AM
10photoviewsCom-100First-comFirst-photo Cassiepants said...

Jax~ Thanks for the quote!!! 
 
This stuff makes me tear up. The heroism of men and women in the beginning of the 20th Century completely blows my mind. These women and the Tuskegee airmen - true heroes all.
 
My Grandmother was a 'Rosie the Riveter' who ran barefoot to the car when she heard my Grandfather (her fiance) had returned from the war. It was February and there was snow on the ground.
 
 

November 30, 2011 2:19 AM
4224 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 RoadYacht said...

and what about that hidden agenda? those pioneering lady pilots had their pick at the Europeanshoe stores before any American....what?too soon?

November 30, 2011 2:22 AM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-5 Georgia said...

   I'm grateful for this essay, Mr. Peterman -- and for the several pieces of history it teaches me.  CASSIEPANTS< I'm with you: SUch stories bring tears.  Preoccupied with today's wars and troubles, we forget -- or never learned of -- our brave antecedents. Many, like the WASPS, received insufficient publicity.  Their contributions move me.


  More later...to bed now, with hope Mr. Peterman is better. 


 

November 30, 2011 2:23 AM
4224 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 RoadYacht said...

OH, and regarding yesterday's post...wouldn't you know it? I just finished a coin operated badge... I'll tell you mine if you tell me yours...deposit coins here in any world designation....

November 30, 2011 2:25 AM
4224 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 RoadYacht said...

oh, and the other clue (re: yesterday)is to write your name upside down...and when you see them turning their head to read it...well,obviously they do not remember yours either

November 30, 2011 3:53 AM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 lotlot said...

A belated, snappy, appreciative, earned and richly deserved salute to the WASPs.

November 30, 2011 6:10 AM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 hazel leese said...

  I have got nothing done this morning except munching cheese on toast - it has to be just the right shade of brown with a dash of Lea & Perrins on top - while browsing stuff about WW2 female pilots. Well done, those ladies. These days, it is incredible that most of them went back to the kitchen sink when the war ended as they were seen as doing 'man's work' and thus depriving an ex serviceman a job. Cassiepants mentioned her grandmother being a 'Rosie the Riveter', in the UK, we had a Land Army of women keeping the farms going and growing, women working in munitions factories, women working in the shipyards, women driving trains, women doing everything imaginable. Most of these women returned to the kitchen sink, discarded as second class citizens when the men came home. WW2 ended, but WW3 for equal rights for women was only just beginning and still goes on. I think this was a pivotal point in social history.

November 30, 2011 6:10 AM
Myself 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Spring Fragrance said...

Jaxz......I immediately thought of you when I saw the topic...it is a coincidence you share the same first name as Jacqueline Cochran?

November 30, 2011 6:31 AM
Me_and_dave 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Andy said...

RY ~ Every morning you start my day with a smile and sometimes an out loud one.  Thanks.

November 30, 2011 7:53 AM
10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Lynn830 said...

And now women serve in combat, at least in aviation roles.  I don't think there are any women serving in the infantry, armor or artillery, though I believe women are along on infantry patrols in other roles.  Thanks for the history.  I remember when the women pilots got veteran status.  Long, long overdue.  What a travesty!

more on the honor roll
November 30, 2011 9:09 AM
4244 Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 ChefDeb said...

Thank you Mr.P for reminding us all of these great women. I don't think I ever realized that the WASPs were not official military.

JAXX--We all salute you! And for many things..you are one in a million!! Thank you.

November 30, 2011 9:41 AM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-5 George Hall said...

JaxZ~ As you know, I'm a big fan.

November 30, 2011 9:42 AM
First-com Jacqued said...

I really enjoyed reading this, I watched a movie about the WASPS a few years back and thought it was wonderful too.  A big "thank you" to all WASPS! 

November 30, 2011 10:06 AM
Bisa-avatar 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1 JaxZ said...

Wait, just a moment you dear, wonderful people! This topic isn't at all about anything I've done! I didn't even know who Jackie Cohran was until I came across a tribute to her during one of my many visits to the Air Force Academy. In a long gallery of aviation history, she stood out (coincidently but unrelated, my husband was a cadet there at the time though thankfully I wouldn't meet him until years later, in Germany).

Here's Jackie standing on the wing of one of her test aircraft with Chuck Yeager looking on. There's a name I'm sure everyone knows. http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Image:040130-F-0000G-013.jpg

Hazel, I love the scene in the recent movie "The Queen" (Helen Mirren) when she phoned her security detail at Balmoral to say her Rover was stuck and they question her assesment of the damage. She smartly reminds them that her war job was as a mechanic. I'd never heard that before!

Spring, it's just a family name. That's the first time someone hasn't asked me if I was named after Jackie Kennedy.

RY, I'd give much to have a 2-day get together with all of you to trade stories in person!

November 30, 2011 10:08 AM
Bisa-avatar 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1 JaxZ said...

Welcome Jacqued!

November 30, 2011 10:24 AM
4188 10photoviewsCom-100First-comFirst-photo Penelopetx said...

Hey Andy and Cassiepants - pass the Kleenex... I misted up with pride, "I can do anything better than" song going on in my head from Annie Get Your Gun. (Ethel Mermen:  Yes, I can, yes I can, yes I can!). 
 
I wish those women had been granted Veteran status right away because the GI Bill was a BOON to the economy, getting all those GI's educated and working.  Just think what the 50's and 60's would have been, if those wonderful WASP's had that opportunity....
 
sniff, there I go again.....
 
Jacqued - what was the movie called and was it about Jackie Cochran? And Welcome!
 
GREAT quote JaxZ!

November 30, 2011 10:40 AM
10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Stoney said...


JZ ~
You're reminding me of our granddaughter, Isabelle, who, when she was very young and accomplished or overcame something, would bridle at effusive praise and applause. Holding her index finger very near her thumb: "Bit yay."

November 30, 2011 10:47 AM
4244 Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 ChefDeb said...

Did Jacqueline Cochran have a line of makeup? Maybe it wasn't the same person.

November 30, 2011 10:49 AM
10photoviewsCom-100First-comFirst-photo SkyWalker said...

One of my mother's dearest friends was a WASP - Pinkie was totally cool! Thanks for the reminder of this.

November 30, 2011 11:06 AM
First-comHr-1 VeraM said...

Oh, Road Yacht, shoes were part of the clothing rationing.  I am probably one lone female who absolutely hates going shoe shopping.  As a child my mother dragged me all over London looking for shoes.  Unfortunately, the Brits on average have narrow feet; I take after the European side of the family and have wide feet.  As a result, I had to wear Granny shoes as a youngsters, and the plimsoles we had were nothing like current athletic wear.

November 30, 2011 11:12 AM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 hazel leese said...

jacqued~ welcome.

November 30, 2011 11:42 AM
Bisa-avatar 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1 JaxZ said...

CD, you're right, she did! And thank you for opening a whole new part of her history I've never read about! http://www.answers.com/topic/jacqueline-cochran Scroll down to 'Gale Encylclopedia of Biography:Jacqueline Cochran'

November 30, 2011 11:58 AM
Paolo 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 paolos said...


ChefDeb ~ Same Lady
 
Jax ~ She was also involved in the first WISP Women
in Space program. 
It was a natural progression, first chimps, then
men, then women.
 
http://advan.physiology.org/content/33/3/157.full

November 30, 2011 12:15 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 hazel leese said...

Dear Paolos~ that article does go on a bit. It did remind me of the Sesame Street 'Pigs in Space' items starring the wonderful Miss Piggy.

November 30, 2011 12:22 PM
Bisa-avatar 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1 JaxZ said...

Another interesting dimension to an amazing woman, Paolos. WISP as a word instead of an acronym certainly doesn't apply to her. Her childhood is even more amazing than her later feats. Buying her own first pair of shoes (ever) at the age of 8? A second grade education? I agree with Alison, what a film her story would make. People would never believe it was true.

November 30, 2011 12:46 PM
Bwme 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 nachista said...

Today's post reminds me of a photo from my Veterans Day blog post...
 
http://nachista.blogspot.com/2011/11/hug-veteran.html ;
 
and this piece of music, "Night Flight" by Samuel Barber...
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-koTPLBZcdI
 

November 30, 2011 12:48 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-5 George Hall said...

Paolos~ Chimps, men , then women?! I resemmle dat allegation...an' I resemmle da alligator, too.

November 30, 2011 1:01 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-5 Georgia said...

Welcome, new neighbors.
 
Oh, yes, my goodness yes: Helen Mirren in "Queen," and the scene mentioned is among my favorites.
 
George Hall, that's a new one on me.  I'll remember it (and credit you if I use it): "...dat allegation...an' de alligator, too."  Folks, I can't help it, forgive me, but Herman Cain came to mind when I read GH's words: Allegation after allegation...none may be true, and you have to feel sorry for people in public life who are thus attacked, but for very other reasons he doesn't belong in the Oval Office. I've now zipped my mouth -- not a political word ever again.  I promise.
 
STONEY, how come ALL your grandkids are super-bright? I know of only two, but that's a fine batting average, and bespeaks their parents' upbringing.

November 30, 2011 1:26 PM
Paolo 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 paolos said...

George ~ As I recollect, we used chimps before sending humans and the Soviets used dogs.  They used all females and were responsible for the first female dog in space.

November 30, 2011 1:51 PM
Bwme 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 nachista said...

The Pistol Packin' Mamas are my heroes.  It just doesn't get any cooler than those ladies.

November 30, 2011 2:17 PM
Bisa-avatar 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1 JaxZ said...

Nachista, there is something very cool (and sexy) about women in control of that much heat and hardware isn't there? {{grin}}

November 30, 2011 2:23 PM
10photoviewsFirst-comFirst-photoHr-1 digger5x5 said...

WASP, WAC, WAVE, military nurse -- brave women all, and worthy of praise, no doubt about it.  And as we all agree, recognition was long overdue.
 
Now another lame story, this one concerning woman's role in the modern world.
 
My eldest daughter is a lousy cook, so her husband and son have done most of the food prep in their household.  One day my grandson, then around 14, commented on how the men do all the cooking at home.  His younger sister replied, "Oh yeah?  Well once upon a time women could cook any time they wanted to."

November 30, 2011 2:30 PM
Paolo 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 paolos said...

Not quite up to my high standards of Jane's Ross
Sisters' Potato Salad but certainly a treat to behold. 
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6PimHkhMCY
 
Nachista and Jax ~ Who are these Pistol Packin'
Mamas of whom you speak?

November 30, 2011 2:31 PM
10photoviewsCom-100First-comFirst-photo Cassiepants said...

Digger5x5~ I had to laugh out loud at that story. Thank you!   Welcome, new friends!

November 30, 2011 3:17 PM
10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Stoney said...


A woman seated next to me at the eye doctor in the waiting-for-your-vision-to-go-blurry area explained that as administrative assistant to a big shot at an air charter outfit, she had been told to respond to some paper company executive's request for a woman pilot.
It meant hiring not one but three and she did it at the same starting rate as the men had got.
"The fat hit the shin," she said but they were all successful.

November 30, 2011 3:31 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Carol said...

Hazel---I hope you've been far far away and safe from the twister that hit Wales.

November 30, 2011 3:35 PM
Bwme 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 nachista said...

Paolos, they are the women in a photo on my blog, the link is above.  The plane name is "The Pistol Packin' Mamas".  It is from WWII

November 30, 2011 3:44 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 hazel leese said...

Carol~ Thanks for asking. It has been a bit breezy but no twister here.

November 30, 2011 3:44 PM
Paolo 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 paolos said...

Nachista ~ Thanks, here is some of the rest of
their story and more on the WASP
 
http://www.npr.org/2010/03/09/123773525/female-wwii-pilots-the-original-fly-girls

November 30, 2011 4:08 PM
Bwme 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 nachista said...

Yeah I heard part of that when it was first broadcast and went back to npr.org to find out more about it and that's where I found the photo and fell in love with it.

November 30, 2011 4:28 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-5 Georgia said...

 


  I doin't think I made this up, though occasionally I do (make up things), but dimly, from my youth, I ecall a song titled "Pistol' Packin' Mamas,' and connect it to a movie. Anybody else recall?


   HAZEL, I thought of you the instant I heard about the tornado. I'm glad you and yours weren't affected.  Funny, isn't it, yet in a way, not, how we think of each other as real people. Well, and so you are -- every one of you.  How lovely if we might reune (if it's not a word it should be, or perhaps I coined it; that's happened in this magical place where anything is possible.  My son, a university English prof, quotes Emerson on his b'log: "Treat the people as if they were real; perhaps they are."


  The video, PAOLOS, is priceless, and proves (to me) I did hear it as a child, because I found myself singing along.  (Exit SR, and fade to black)


  DIGGER 5X5, great story!  And JAX, I guess we have to ask men if women packing heat is sexy -- but maybe not: Television overflows with women doing that very thing. Remember when newscasters said, "The gunman...." Somewhere along the way it became "The shooter." A friend loves trucks (and horses she takes to shows in a horse-vehicle attached to her truck). Her psycholgist husband says it's a desire for power; she, on the other hand, doesn't like him to analyze her or her actions.  But then he sees phallic symbols in motorcycles.  Sometimes, they're there. But "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."  Apologies, Sigmund Freud (sp?)


  ps When first I glanced at today's essay WASP jumped out and I expected to read about white Anglo-Saxon Protestants. Thanks again, Mr. P., for the 'real' WASPS' story. Perhaps your calling attention to them will make more people aware of their considerable contribution.  We hope you're well today.


 


 


 


 

November 30, 2011 4:37 PM
Stage_2 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 JALOPKIN said...

I can hear the smooth, clear Voice of Vera Lynn ....... in the Days when America still had Pride, and a Will To Win, not to be overtaken by Low/No Morals and satanist Bastards ... When Proper Values and Good Sense never gave way to the Guilt Trip of Political Correctitude, itself an evil perversion of the Laws of God and Man ... When we still had feelings of, Nationalism/Americanism, and the entire Country was so fill'd with Goodness and the Spirit of Righteousness, that the women broke Tradition and went to work in Defense Plants, and in the Armed Forces ... They supported their Men, to help hurry them home, and preserve the American Way of Life ... They did it ably, admirably, and selflessly, and in so doing, gave the Men greater gumption to fight, and Win, and to get back Home ... who wouldn't rather be cuddled with Rosie the Riveter, than ass deep in a rain-fill'd foxhole, four thousand miles away from civilization ... Dear God, what has happen's to our National Resolve ???  The Enemy we fight now, is a hundred times worse than any we have defeated before, and it was all too costly in ways more than money ... For us NOT to defeat this New Horrorfic Evil of Islamization, will be so costly that, it will be better that we were all dead ... Don't be fool'd ... Think of the Children, before commiting the abominably stupid mistake of, Tolerance ... Tolerance is Tacit Approval, which leads to Acceptance as a Norm, which becomes Condoning ... which becomes the undoing of every thing else, that Almighty God Bless'd us with, in addition to Choice ...
 
It was Women who jump'd right in to help with the last Giant Evil, for which Thanks will never be enough ... Is their Late Reward going to be that they are left to the evil of Islam and Sharia ???

November 30, 2011 5:01 PM
Bisa-avatar 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1 JaxZ said...

Georgia, my then 23 year old daughter fell in love with Bing Crosby and the Andrew Sisters the first time she heard this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEM71vSMLPA She assembled quite a collection for her wedding reception and we laughed ourselves sill realizing we had to rule out certain songs like "Rum and Cocca-cola"!

Hello Ivan!! It's so good to SEE you!!

November 30, 2011 5:09 PM
10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Stoney said...


Georgia ~
Hey, me too. I love those guys, usually named Chip or something, who go around saying "Sport" and "old boy" and carry a six ounce sterling flask of something nice into old limestone protestant churches in case of an emergency like the jitters or thirst.

Viva Jalopkin!!



November 30, 2011 5:20 PM
Bisa-avatar 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1 JaxZ said...

Stoney, that's twice you had me laughing fit to scare the cat today. ♡

November 30, 2011 5:24 PM
Bisa-avatar 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1 JaxZ said...

vvvvvvv, you'vvvvvvvvvve. If I'd thunk it through p'raps "that's twice today you've made me laugh fit to scare the cat"?

Aw, heck, we all make spelling mistakes but my grammar will always be hopeless.

November 30, 2011 6:53 PM
Photo_1 First-com Globetravelteer said...

War history and those who served in campaigns in a time where equality was not the norm is something that cannot be undone, but because of the progress that has occurred over the course time, today they can be honored and be given the recognition and award for their service and sacrifice that was not possible back in their time. This is a way that can show that some of the errors of history will not be forgotten.

November 30, 2011 7:47 PM
10photoviewsCom-100First-comFirst-photo Cassiepants said...

Welcome Globetravelteer~ and what a lovely sentiment!

Jalopkin~ I must respectfully disagree with your assessment of Islamization as the greatest Evil we fight today. Far greater is the acceptance of mediocrity in the education we offer our children and 'average' as the new normal.


November 30, 2011 9:04 PM
10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Stoney said...


JaxZ  ~

That's too bad because I take, as you know, a backseat to no one in my admiration for that cat… and you.

November 30, 2011 9:06 PM
1-dscn1106-4 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 PARK4 said...

There's nothing I like better than an old limestone Presby church, they do have a monied cachet about them...not overly done up, not underly either, they're like a pink and powdered dowager, the one with the raised pinky and maybe even a lorngette - the kind of woman who donated just enough money to have a stained glass window installed and named after her late husband...I forgot where I was going with this.  I don't even know what the topic is...just jumped in, in the middle of things, so see how the Village is getting along...not much new I see, but that's alright, I s'pose.   Change is hard.  So all is merry and gay around here, and I don't think you're in need of my rambling so I'll ramble on out...no flying in no fly zones, Miz Jax ;)

November 30, 2011 9:08 PM
1-dscn1106-4 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 PARK4 said...

stoney, hello.  Ivan too.  Hazel, wot? A twister in Wales? And new people, how nice of you to show up.  New blood is good.  Mostly.  Almost always, anyhow. So: Hello and goodbye!

November 30, 2011 10:10 PM
5981 10photoviewsCom-100First-comFirst-photoHr-1 Rhyselle said...

I've been reading up on the WASPs for the WW2 living history display on women's role in the War, and it was so nice to pop in here to see today's topic.

Other unsung heroines of WW2 were the American Red Cross Clubmobile girls who went over to Europe and into the Pacific Theatre to bring coffee, doughnuts and comfort to the fighting men. These women didn't just dispense refreshments to the troops but were an unofficial mental health team as well, being a listening ear who wouldn't judge, to whom a soldier could confess his fears and his hopes and his wishes without having to worry about what his buddies or his seniors would think about them.

They had to be at least 25 years old, have a Bachelor's Degree, and had to pass a stringent interview before being trained and shipped overseas, where they started out at the bases in England, then followed the boys to the beaches at Normandy, into France and even Germany as the European War progressed. Being older than the majority of the soldiers they served gave them stability and even some authority that probably helped when they were the only women around with whom the troops could interact who weren't European locals, or the officers of the Army Nurses Corps with whom they weren't allowed to fraternize.

There's a wonderful quote on the American Red Cross Museum's website from a Clubmobile girl that I'll try to paraphrase from memory. I can't remember the young woman's name, unfortunately.

She was at the end of a line of soldiers, ladling coffee into mugs and chatting with the a couple of the boys. One of them told her about the fancy painted beer steins that were to be had in Germany, and she commented that she would love to get one but she expected to remain in France when the troops moved on into Germany. The second soldier didn't say anything to her before they left.

But six months later or so, after VE-Day, the second soldier came back through the Red Cross station and looked her up. He was carrying something wrapped in a blanket as if he were cradling a baby, and he told her, "You saved my life." He explained that he had been planning, when their unit got to the front, to get in a position where the enemy could kill him right away, because he despaired of the horrors ever being over. But, when she said that she wanted a stein, he made it his mission to get one for her. And that gave him the will to fight on instead of giving up. Inside the blanket was a beautiful stein, but the best gift of all was knowing that she'd made a difference in this one soldier's life, just by being there, and talking with him and his fellow soldiers.

Er, sorry for the long ramble. This is becoming a passion of mine since I started WW2 re-enactment. :) Have a good night, all!

November 30, 2011 10:11 PM
Stage_2 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 JALOPKIN said...

MISS CASSIE:  You are most welcome to Disagree ... I thrive on it ... as a Great Dialogue Generator ... How else can we ever learn, if we do not discuss  .......
 
And Your Point is taken, Quite Well ... and I agree with you completely, in the Premise ... However, if we do not STOP the Islamization of America, Right Now ... and get all Enemies OUT of this Country ... There will be no Educational System left to worry about ...
 
I have long said that the Educational System in this Country has been purposefully Retrograde, for the last half century, to help create "Equality" ... I say again, because all the World must come to grips with the Truth ... the ONLY instance wherein all people are Equal, is that we all have an Equal Opportunity to attain Salvation in The Lord ... Other than that, there   IS  NO   Equality among Men ....... Y'all REALLY think about that before you begin to scoff .......
 
JAX, MISS PARK, STONEY:  HOWDY  Y'ALL !!!!!!!

November 30, 2011 10:48 PM
First-com Anam Cara said...

Ah, the age-old inequality of it all; male versus female; the proverbial glass ceiling. Now we know why Wasps were born with stingers. *sly wink*

November 30, 2011 10:59 PM
10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Stoney said...


Parkie ~
It is a treat to see you. Where's John Boy?

November 30, 2011 11:42 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-5 Georgia said...

  I think our host had a grand idea when he thought up the Eye.  I'd never participated in/read any such, and have no doubt there are BBBillions and BBBillions of them, perhaps as numerous as stars.  What ultimately happens here I'll possibly never know, but, as have others, I hid around the corner and listened quietly for awhile before summoning courage to speak...which brings us, in just twenty-four hours, full circle, back to the "reunion" question, where some of us, I included, were too shy to meet many people beyond our own friends, and remain sad about that road not taken.  If nothing else, I learned such roads disappear in memory eventually: We may have but one chance to tread them. 
 
  While I was ill, therefore away, "Nos da" appeared, and I've meant to ask What do it mean, and when do one say it?

December 01, 2011 7:02 AM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1 bebe said...

PARK............Not a funny trick, staying away. And I think I know why. Persevere baby, persevere........................(why does persevere look funny. does it need another r? I tried that, it looked wrong..........................)anyway, I will be sending a crazed deer to your abode....................you'll be like, "Come here Mr. Deer, I have some fruit for you," & then BAM............................it will attack like a methed out Rudolph. This can all go away if you come back..................I miss your WASPity self.....................
 
JAXXY JAX.......................take your kudos w/ pride, we love you & you deserve them!
 
GEORGIA..................I really like the last two lines of your paragraph, very deep & very true...........................

December 01, 2011 3:24 PM
1-dscn1106-4 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 PARK4 said...

John's around, Stoney...just taking a siesta last I knew.  He'll be around someday soon, I hope.  And hey bebe:  Persevere looks like it should be a small animal or something like that. Also, I've been spelling it wrong for all of my life, that's always good to find out.  I thought it was "perservere."  And I will, persevere.  I do wish we could light some fires around here though - it's kind of cold....heat folks, we need some heat.  Did anyone forget to pay the gas/electric/firewood bill? 

December 01, 2011 3:26 PM
1-dscn1106-4 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 PARK4 said...

Georgia:  I think "nos da" means good night, in the Welsh language...something like that.

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