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I've gone to my farm in Kentucky for the weekend. It's a great place to relax, do a little hard physical labor, and forget about the rest of the world. If you don't have such a place, I highly suggest you get one.

In the meantime, here's something I found for you to read on the 100th anniversary of the tragedy.

See you on Monday.

J. Peterman

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April 14, 2012 12:25 AM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 lotlot said...

Just never been able to get interested in the Titanic.

April 14, 2012 2:18 AM
10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Stoney said...


I remember looking down, from seven miles over the North Atlantic, at the sparkling silver wake made by a large ship.
Nothing in my experience had ever looked so hopelessly isolated as that boat.
We are taken in by the things that men think or are sure that they know right up until moment we find out they really didn't.

April 14, 2012 6:22 AM
10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Lynn830 said...

I'm with lotlot.  Not an engaging subject.

April 14, 2012 8:26 AM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 hazel leese said...

Nah~ doesn't float my boat either.

April 14, 2012 8:47 AM
28961 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1 Ummgawa said...

There was a scene in "Titanic" that is relatable to Stoney's comment. In the Movie when the ship was just starting to realize it was going down, there  was a shot taken from the side of the boat, and it was just massive. Then the captain gave an order to fire signal flares and the camera perspective was from above and starboard, about a half a half a mile away. The giant boat looked like the USS Minnow on a three hour tour, fate considered but still unknown. There is a Titanic artifacts display in Atlanta this month at the High Museum, I hear it's been standing room only.

April 14, 2012 9:29 AM
10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Stoney said...


"Til death do us part;" "Guaranteed for Life;" "Mission Accomplished;" "Hope & Change;" all boilerplate assurances that seem over time to have gone by the boards but none so dramatically as "Unsinkable."

April 14, 2012 9:41 AM
Waldo 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Tommy Typical said...

Titantic. The metaphor for best laid plans. The thousands of tragedies that "didn't happened" are unknown to us. Sleeping giants we step around. I look at the maps that show daily the number of flights and eek out a "Wow". We are after all pretty darn good or pretty darn lucky. You are crafty Mr P. the day after Friday the 13th, sir. I found the quote from American Gods, "No man, proclaimed Donne , is an Island, and he was wrong. If we were not islands, we would be lost, drowned in each other's tragedies. We are insulated (a word that means, literally, remember, made into an island ) from the tragedy of others, by our island nature, and by the repetitive shape and form of the stories. The shape does not change: there was a human being who was born, lived, and then, by some means or another, died. There. You may fill in the details from your own experience. As unoriginal as any other tale, as unique as any other life." We need our Titantics to keep us focusing on the "it happened in another time and place to someone else. How tragic. Thank goodness, it could never happen again. Yes indeed, How tragic.  

April 14, 2012 9:42 AM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 hazel leese said...

Waterproof?

April 14, 2012 9:51 AM
10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Stoney said...


Hazel ~

Right… except in the presence of moisture.
"Child proof," has come to define something that better have been exposed to children and not product scientists alone. They can be made to look silly fast.

April 14, 2012 10:14 AM
10041_445991248814972_692962064_n Com-100Com-300First-comHr-1 The Giraffe said...

My maternal grandparents were to sail on The Titanic but my grandfather, a Type 1 diabetic, had an episode and they were unable to sail.  Had they sailed chances are that I might not be writing this 100 years later.

April 14, 2012 10:18 AM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1 bebe said...

I gots nothin', but it is a beautiful day, a day for a delicious lunch in town and rambling around the square doing some window & maybe some real shopping. I love to popl watch ( my computer drops e's & I have to go back & insert them, but I decided to leave popl, well because I find it rather charming).
 
I have been feeling like not a part of the party lately & I was expecting to be the only one to not have much to say. I was pleasantly surprised! How nice if we could all meet for a long lunch full of talk and laughter.........................someday...........................
 
Tomorrow.........................The Cabin in the Woods................... my timbers are shivered already............................

April 14, 2012 10:19 AM
10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1 spring rain said...

Same sort of story here, Giraffe.  I had a dear friend whose parents were from Scotland.  Her mother booked passage over on the Titanic to visit family in the US.  Her little boy (my friend's brother) was going to travel with her.  Shortly before it was time to leave, her brother became ill. Her mother decided to wait until her little boy was well before sailing.  If my friend's brother had not been sick, my friend may not have been here.  She was born in 1920 in the US.

April 14, 2012 10:23 AM
Walker_gym 10photoviewsCom-100First-comFirst-photoFirst-review Luddite said...

One of my paternal grandmother's best friends was a lady named Marion. I can't recall her last name, but I met her at a picnic when I was very small. Marion survived the Titanic's sinking and went on to live down the road from my grandma in Cottage Grove, OR. I can recall as a youth my grandmother telling me stories about the lady, but being a boy I paid only little attention to the particulars. Opportunity lost. Opportunity lost.

April 14, 2012 11:46 AM
10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Rusty said...

Some interesting comments, but like Lotlot, Lynn, Hazel, & Bebe I've heard enough about the Titanic, so let's be done with it.

April 14, 2012 12:00 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-5 George Hall said...

This probing, prying, profiteering on the gravesite of hundres of souls seems ghoulish to me.

April 14, 2012 12:09 PM
28961 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1 Ummgawa said...

Agreed Pop.

April 14, 2012 12:37 PM
10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Mooseloop said...

Any massive tragedy has almost no limit on its time to be of interest. I do find the topic intriguing. To ignore or dismiss such huge loss of life is like ignoring the thousands who have died in wars, storms, and bombings. Those dead souls deserve some respect in our memories, JMHO.

That display of artifacts from the ship is eerie at best....personal belongings of those who once blithely trusted those shipmakers with their lives...It was displayed in the Atlanta Aquarium just a few years ago and I went...Also on the walls of the exhibit were large photos of the passengers, ship interior, and lists of names of those who perished and those who survived. In a way, I guess all of us are like those passengers on the ship Earth, trusting that someone in control has a valid plan for us to arrive safely.

The WSJ article makes the point that it was not necessary for all those who drowned to be allowed to die, as the original plans had enough lifeboats, but the final decision was based just on government regulations for the required number, which was a very old statute and undercounted the actual number of passengers by a thousand. (Not, as Cameron's film implies that it was not "pretty" to have so many lifeboats.) The boats were not to be long-term rescue, but just enough to ferry folks over to a rescue ship and then go back for more, but the Titanic sank too quickly and the Carpathia got close too slowly. The SOS was not sent fast enough to rally the other 5 ships that were within rescue distance, either. Again, human error. If we learn from the past, perhaps we can be smarter today.

April 14, 2012 12:45 PM
10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Mooseloop said...

Hi, Bebe! -- I am with you on enjoying the day! The world here is green, azaleas and rhododendron are blooming all over...I am preparing for friends to come here to lunch tomorrow: broccoli and bacon quiche (made), and Nachista's potato/dill soup, fruit salad, and lemon poppyseed muffins! It is all I can do to stay out of it til they arrive tomorrow at 1:00!

We dined out last night at Outback and had a lovely meal and nice evening. He had the prime rib, caesar salad, and I had the lobster/steak combo with a house salad. Nice music, moderately adult atmosphere, and drinks made for a pleasant meal out. (We first cruised by the Longhorn, but there were over 50 people waiting with all ages of kids, and not even seats at the bar, so we opted for Outback as second choice and it was good.)

We are so blessed to have the life that we have....I am ever grateful.

April 14, 2012 12:59 PM
10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Stoney said...


How 'bout them apples? The Hall boys taken out in the hall and by another Southerner no less.
Moose ~
Somewhere between 'ignorance of' and 'wallowing in,' there is a term: 'acknowledgment  of' which, at this point, ought to be sufficient.

I have a good book to finish, the Beauty and I are planning a run up the valley to see an exhibition of Winston Churchill's Paintings, perhaps meet his daughter and the semi-annual church pork chop dinner at a nearby village is this evening.
An embarrassment of riches.

April 14, 2012 1:26 PM
293 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-5 rings90 said...

Ummgawa & Mooseloop- I went to the exhibit when it was at a local museum here in WI a few years ago. The most unsetttling artifact to me was the Crate of Bowls that had settling ino the seafloors sand, I have no idea as to why, yet for me it was the most impressive part & interesting part shown.

http://altnersandi.com/2011/02/12/salvaging-titanic-artifacts-%E2%80%93-grave-robbing-or-preserving-history/
(Scroll down & you will see a Pic of the Bowls in the sand)

Of course part of it was the fact that I seemed to have all the Film Loving Idiots rather than the Historically Educated in our tour group. I think my mom was a bit worried I was going to use my purse to knock them all out so I could enjoy the tour without hearing people ask if this is where Jack & Rose Danced to the Irish band, or if the 1st Class Suite was really Roes's. I have no Problem with people who want to learn are at an exhibition. I do However have a problem with the ones who can't tell the difference between made for entertainment & REAL historical information.

Ballard's Discovery of the Titantic a Huge deal when I was a little girl, Other than the Tragedy of the 1912 sinking, The 2nd Tragedy is of all the 20th Century Pirates picking apart her watery grave to make money on it all. Having a few artifacts that travel around the world, so people can learn is something I do support. It just seems there has been too many people trying to make a profit off of this tho since Ballards discovery.

Stoney - I am planning to see Churchhill's Paintings myself. I am going to wait until the local coverage of it all dies a bit. I've never been to the Trout Gallery before so let me know what you think & what else I have to see while there. I also heard a rumor that the Paine Gallery has an Ansel Adams Photography exhibit. Have you heard anything about it?


April 14, 2012 1:30 PM
4224 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 RoadYacht said...

Moose's 12:37 had the right words; HUMAN ERROR, A TRAGEDY THAT WASN'T PLANNED FOR, THOUGH MOST OF THE OTHER ASPECTS OF THE CRUISE WERE. The ship was built well,the crew was trained well, there would have been enough life boats to shuttle survivors to another ship,but all was lost to the  human error of the Captain,and his officers. I have read that the lifeboat limits had something to do with the weight above the water line, and that a ship that begins to rock in rough seas is liable to land on its side from the imbalance. It happened in Chicago with a loss of life at 844 victims,enough lifeboats,but the rocking ship,exaserbated by the passengers running to one side rail,caused it to lay over on its side and sink,too quickly for rescue.But getting back to my point, it is still the cheif cause of most accidents-the weakest link US!

April 14, 2012 2:05 PM
10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Stoney said...


rings90 ~

Looks like late June. How about a nice B&B (braunschweiger and aged brick) with a couple of pints of Spotted Cow at the dog dive?

http://www.thepaine.org/events/index.html

RY ~
Good point as always.

April 14, 2012 2:40 PM
28961 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1 Ummgawa said...

Here's a goodf one for you. Young people who actually think "Titanic" WAS JUST A MOVIE! WWW.WASHINGTONPOST.COM/BUSINESS/TECHNOLOGY/TITANIC-TWEETS

April 14, 2012 3:04 PM
10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Mooseloop said...

Rings90 - Thank you much for your link to see the article about the salvage operations and the company that owns the rights to exhibit the items! You are right about the box of bowls being poignant. I did not realize that the company that owns the rights to exhibit these things is also the same company that shows The Bodies traveling exhibit....That is one I avoid! It is based in Atlanta, too, and I did not know that. Appreciate your link!

April 14, 2012 3:05 PM
10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Mooseloop said...

Ummgawa - That link was not hot....would not open...I will try to paste it.

April 14, 2012 3:17 PM
Waldo 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Tommy Typical said...

As literary adventurers go it's hard to top Clive Cussler's Dirk Pitt and as ships go none matcvh the mystique of the Titantic so I combined the two with this quote from the old salt and last survivor Commodore Bigelow: "What a lovely thing she was... Standing as high in the water as one of your skyscrapers, longer than two rugby fields, and furnishings to match the finest mansions in England. She was one of a kind, no question about it, and God himself, they said, couldn't sink her. Then in two hours she was gone... and fifteen hundred souls with her."

April 14, 2012 4:28 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-5 George Hall said...

Stoney~ Yaaaah, you never get anything past the teacher.

April 14, 2012 5:16 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-5 Georgia said...

I can't say why, but "Ship of Fools" comes to mind. No metaphor that -- and neither was Titanic, in my view.  but we humans can put our minds to work and create a metaphor from almost anything. 
 
As our Genial Host well knows, the romance of a thing, a life, alters, colors perception, and Titanic was virtually made of it...furthered by the hype of her launching.
 
The "Real Story," coming to light now in many a publication, may diminish her romance, but shines a light on individual bravery and disclaims the 100-year-myth that upper-class passengers took advantage of lower.  To wit: Major Archibald Butt of Augusta, Georgia,  aide to two presidents and with a proud record of service to our country, was recognized for his insistence on getting women and children into lifeboats, staying aboard to help long after he might have left (the Archibald Butt Memorial Bridge is here).  He can't have been alone in those actions; think how many stories we don't know.

April 14, 2012 7:22 PM
Photo 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Peter Lake said...

Ah Georgia, you took all of the hot air that was on the tip of my tongue in the form of cynical comments,.......right out of my sails with your tender post.

Very nicely said. And thanks.

April 14, 2012 7:27 PM
Photo 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Peter Lake said...

Besides, it has yielded a pretty fair metaphor as in " as usefull as rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic "

I understand the interest, I just don't get the obsession.

Peace out

April 14, 2012 8:10 PM
1-dscn1106-4 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 PARK4 said...

Ghoulish, I do think it's ghoulish - I agree George Hall.  But archeologically and sociologically and historically and all kinds of other -ally.s - it's interesting, I find it interesting.  But I haven't gone out of my way to read more about it, or see the artifacts - and I only saw the movie once, and could barely get through the second half, all that water rushing and screaming and drowning and freezing to death. God, I mean, who wants to sit and watch that?  Not me, not me.  And as for invading the corpse of the ship, on the one hand I think it's fascinating and I have watched documentary or two that showed the exploration of the Titanic on the floor of the ocean - but it's a grave, and while I do love cemeteries, the stories behind the stones, I never move a thing, not one thing.  To remove Titanic artifacts would be a hearbreaking thing - if I had my way I'd have left it all be, as curious as I might be.  It just doesn't seem quite right to disturb it, any part of it.  I don't know - so many died.  Would they want us fingering their jewelry, gawking at their personal belongings?  The shards of china...it's just sad, is all.  Very sad.

April 14, 2012 8:27 PM
1-dscn1106-4 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 PARK4 said...

However, if you're feeling in need of a Titanic hit tonight, in an hour TCM is airing A Night To Remember, the 1958 film about the tragedy.  Many seem to consider this film better than the Cameron version, because of the lack of OH WOW moments such as the hour plus of watery agony that Rose and what's his name had to endure.  This film is a documentary-style account, which could very well be interesting....I just thought I'd mention it, since it's different from the other versions out there.
 
Here's Leonard Maltin's review of A Night to Remember from TCM:
 
http://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/title/84970/Night-to-Remember-A/ ;
 
 
1958: D: Roy (Ward) Baker. Kenneth More, David McCallum, Jill Dixon, Laurence Naismith, Frank Lawton, Honor Blackman, Alec McCowen, George Rose. Meticulously produced documentary-style account of sinking of the "unsinkable'' passenger liner Titanic. Superb combination of disaster spectacle and emotional byplay; a notable contrast to Hollywood's Titanic films. Vivid adaptation by Eric Ambler of Walter Lord's book.

 
 
I think I'm going to give it a shot - happy viewing to all.

April 14, 2012 8:29 PM
1-dscn1106-4 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 PARK4 said...

It's on at 10:00 pm, Eastern.
 
Okay, now I'm gone.
 
Night all.

April 14, 2012 9:18 PM
Photo 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Peter Lake said...

Good night northsider...... I won 't spoil the ending of the movie for you.

April 14, 2012 10:12 PM
P1010179 10photoviewsCom-100First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewHr-1 S. A. J. Johnson said...

I love that this article was authored by Chris BERG...

April 14, 2012 10:15 PM
293 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-5 rings90 said...

PL - I actually know someone who did that while they were waiting in line to see Cameron's film when it first came out. I don't think the High School Girl was very happy. He also told her she shouldn't be allowed out of the house if she had no idea of World History. Heck I can't really fault his logic on that one to this day. 

April 14, 2012 10:50 PM
Photo 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Peter Lake said...

Rings, there sure wouldn't be very many High Schooler's roaming the streets based on that.

April 14, 2012 11:10 PM
Img_5428-1 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1 Capt Neptune said...

I personally find the Titanic and everything about it absolutely fascinating. Wish I had time to elaborate, but I don't.

My crew and I went to a UNC Wilmington baseball game today, then came home and watched the Braves game, now watching MLB network. UNCW game again tomorrow and then both boys have practices. Tis the season. Their Sailing season is just around the corner.

April 14, 2012 11:30 PM
Img_5428-1 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1 Capt Neptune said...

Stoney: just a few years ago, I was bringing a small sailboat (28') home from Bermuda, solo, and I looked up seven miles and saw a plane. I knew they couldn't possibly see me and yes...I felt "totally isolated" (and yes I was) from the entire existence of the rest of the universe. It was wonderful. The best way to be close to your higher power other than getting a one way ticket to the afterlife.

April 14, 2012 11:41 PM
4224 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 RoadYacht said...

luckily, there are no ice bergs any where near thesepia tracks....i think we'd all volunteer to save every bottle behind the bar,every cake and pie in the larder,and all our seat cushions are not only floatation devices, but cuddely,and hypo alergenic.....and the only sinking we do, is into our nice comfy reading chairs....drinks on me! and they're all served on ice!

April 15, 2012 3:21 AM
10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Stoney said...


Oh Captain,my Captain ~
You must be careful brass ones are heavier. There is only one thing would I wish to be at or shortly after  my own passing… found.

Honor Roll



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