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October 03, 2011
Jerry Kill, a football coach, was in the news recently about a medical condition (he's okay) and I couldn't help wondering about his name.
Certainly couldn't have been easy going through life with that moniker.
In doing some research, I found out that his ancestors were not professional hit men, but invading Saxons that exported the name to England, where it developed many phonetic variations.
How many Kills were changed to Killiam, Kilius, Killgus, Keale, Keele, Keil, Keile and Kelly is not known.
Surnames were fairly rare until the 13th century but they became necessary when governments got the bright idea of taxation known as the Poll Tax.
(With so many "red headed" Johns running around how could you find the right one to impose a tax on without a last name?)
The trial of Edward Kill in 1703, during the reign of Queen Anne, must have given headline writers a hoot.
Names were changed in Hollywood all the time.
Would Cary Grant have been the same icon if his name were Archibald Leach?
John Wayne might not have been quite as macho as Marion Michael Morrison.
Natalia Nikolaevna Zakharenko became simply Natalie Wood.
Shirley Schrift? She couldn't sign up for Shelley Winters fast enough.
If you don't have Hollywood connections it may be a bit more difficult to change your name.
But not impossible.
In general, you can change your name only if a court allows you to.
Anyone may use an alias, but you can't get legal papers, such as a driver's license or passport, in any name but your legal name.
Anyway, I know we'll get some fun responses on this one.
None of our members are killjoys.
Some of the funniest names come about when you get a clueless asian giving himself a Western name...
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Some of the funniest names come about when you get a clueless asian giving himself a Western name. Like the banker who calls himself John Loo or the Operations guy who had literally translated his name from Chinese to "Flowerpot Chang", or the settlements clerk in the Hong Kong branch of one of the banks I worked with.....
Me," Your name is Ducky??" Him, "yah.", Me," You mean like quack quack ducky?" Him, "yah...". But it can go two ways as an ex-colleague with a last name Quek found when the NY office sent an internal envelope to her addressed to "Cynthia Duck".
My favourite story is that of a classmate of my sister's. One day a woman, obviously a mother of a student, walked into the class at recess and asked for Harry. The class insisted there was no such student in the class but the woman persisted. Just then a boy walked in and the woman exclaimed, "That's my son lah!" The class exploded into laughter. It was little wonder he had always used his Chinese name, Kok Wah Hing. If I have lost anyone, let me explain that in the Chinese culture, the last name comes first so, his surname would have been Kok.
more on the honor rolland you think Jim Shoe has it any easier? Or the news story from Indiana refering to naming a city building after a former mayor named Harry Baals?
so, before you look around for the Ivory soap
http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/02/09/indiana-city-officials-dont-want-to-name-building-after-harry-baals/
I just put a wholedollar coin into the coin operated mirror (located in the vestibule,now, of the lounge in the Sepiatrain Club car) and I was not listed as the one that started down this path of puns and.......
here is an intersting paste:
In 1993, during negotiations regarding the release of Prince's album The Gold Experience, a legal battle ensued between Warner Bros. and Prince over the artistic and financial control of Prince's output. During the lawsuit, Prince appeared in public with the word "slave" written on his cheek. Prince explained his name change as follows:
I think it's downright cruel to give children embarrassing names, they get teased unmercifully by their peers. Johnny Cash said it all with "A Boy Named Sue" When I was teaching, first job of the day would be to call the register. Each child would put up a hand and say 'morning, Miss (they were supposed to say "present," but I put a stop to that) there was always some poor kid whose surname was Ramsbottom or something, and trying to teach a class of 8 year olds that was not funny while trying not to laugh myself was not easy. Willie Rogers always bought the house down.
I've always thought Ella Fitzgerald to be very convenient. Hope she found a nice Gerald.
Names ... having bred pedigree cats for years, I had to think up names for them. Does anybody else think that naming is an awful responsibility, be it child, dog, cat, the little one seems to assume the mantle of their naming. Never name a kitten Fooligan. Crazy cat. My little (well she's 40 something) sister is named Joy and she lives up to her name.
There is a goldmine of silly name jokes "Knock knock" - "Who's there?"
I would have thought that Jeffery Kill was a stage name like Richard Hell, the punk rocker. Lots of people change their name if doen't fit the image they want to portray.
I knew a boy with the last name Fink. He was a classical violin player so he didn't think it was going to help him get a record deal. He changed it to the name of the city where his grandfather was born. Nice compromise that recognizes the family.
Spring I've met a few kids with either the surname or first name Kok. Fortuantely, they have lived in neighborhoods where nicknames and streethandles were important and he would use one of those. One kids went as K.Okay. Everyone thought it was cute and he didn't get teased or beaten up. When he got older he chose a western first name and became a corporate lawyer.
A nice cast of interesting players has assembled already, this promises to be an interesting day.....
Celebreties are notorious for giving there kids unusual names. My guess is that these names add to the pressure of being a good parent. You know the second that the press here's a name that foder fot a comedy chanel they flash forward 21 years to when they can sign the kid to a book deal expecting funny "how could they do this to me" stories.
Good morning RY, Hazel, Julia, Bert ....I'm now another hour ahead of you, having had our clocks move forward on Sunday. I think I'm going to beat Lotlot at being the first to post. Hey...I found those images of the Wall Street protestors interesting..here's the younger generation saying to the older generation...we are not happy at OUR future being mortgaged by you. I just feel there are seismic changes occuring, today, in Asia,financial markets tumbled with HK down 5% at one stage
My friend Dave the Clown named his lovely blonde baby girl Silky Rainbow. She never forgave him. As soon as she was of age, she changed her name by Deed Poll. Are all of you happy with your given names?
Hazel, I do rather like my name although I have been told Patricia sounds like it belongs to a no-nonsense type of woman. Luckily I think Spring Fragrance sounds rather ethereal; I like to think of them being my public and private faces
Being a superstitious lot, the Chinese family can be really finicky about names given to a baby. My dad was quite peeved that he had to give up his carefully chosen names for my sons, as the male side (ie the husband side) held more “sway” (it’s a chauvinistic culture). When my father-in-law gave both of them variations of names meaning “emperor”, my side of the family threw up their hands in horror. One can’t be too careful about giving a child a name that is too “heavy” as it would turn out to be a burden. So when my eldest son developed scoliosis and had to have a 13 inch metal rod in his spine (he carries a surgeon’s letter as he triggers the alarms at airport securities) there was a lot of “I told you so”. To appease them, I had to argue that well, the metal rod would help my son carry any weight.
When the younger son visited Beijing about a year ago, he met a calligrapher who was shocked at his name. He said if this had been an earlier time, they would have thrown him into prison. My son came back really rather worried, and I have given him a “temporary” name (incorporating my dad’s name) which I wrote and put under his mattress. When we are next back in Singapore, I have promised him that we would visit a professional name writer who will work on a new name for him. Some of the things that would be considered would be astrological principles – the birthdate, the balance of five elements (metal, wood, water, fire, and earth), form, the number of strokes, pronunciation, and meaning of a name.
One trivia surrounds the Chinese name of Bruce Lee, Lee Xiao Loong or Litte Dragon. Dragon is also a name synonymous with the Emperor (my eldest is Chien Loong or the Mighty Dragon). Lee Xiao Long has a combination of 10 and 19 strokes, and according to Feng Shui, signified a black cloud hovering around and reaching a climatic end. To the Chinese, his death remains a mystery but it is said, there was a mismatch between his name and his intrinsic self
李 Lee - 7 strokes (yang, metal)
小 Xiao - - 3 strokes (yang, fire)
龍 Loong - - 16 strokes (yin, earth)
Lee + Xiao - -10 strokes (yin, water)
Xaio + Loong - -19 strokes (yang, water)
Total - -26 strokes (yin, earth)
http://www.silveryhat.com/look-at-bruce-lees-mysterious-death-under-fung-shui-view/
(more feng shui stuff on Bruce Lee)
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Kilroy was here.
And don't forget Doctor Kildare
or Doctor Bennett.
Sorry, I didn't expect that to happen. It looks like Kilroy's nose is out of kilter.
Funny how some things just fall out of place.
Spring~ I love your Spring Fragrance persona. Knew you'd be back telling us about the naming complications in your part of the world.
Kilroy, it seems to me, spent an inordinate amount of time in men's rooms but then, how do I know that?
In high school a Senior girl named Kay dated and later married a schoolmate much younger than she. Of course they were fodder for every joke high schoolers could devise.
At every opportunity 'friends' would go "Sammy, iF yoU see Kay, tell her I need to talk with her. What's in a name???
As said, naming can be a tricky thing. My maiden name gave me fits, so I was glad to change by marrying at 20. Born Barbara Gwen Mulliniks, I found my last name the object of elementary school jokes like this: "Mullet neck, mule neck!Looks like heck!" And being red-haired, I also got the redhead name calling. So, you see, it is not fun to have an awkward or unusual name. The Gwen part also gave spelling variations all my life, as some see it as Gwynn, Glen, Gail, and Gwinn. I have had them all thrown at me. I believe "gwen" is a Celtic word for "white," or 'fair," but not common in the USA. My grandmother was Gwendolyn, but I got only the Gwen part.
Because of my own discomfort with name-calling, I named my own children traditional family first names to go with a nice English last name, my married name, and their last name. So, Elizabeth Ann after both grandparents' mothers, and Robert Edward after my father, his father, and both grandfathers. I have to sympathize with children name odd monikers, as one boy I taught who was quite the farmer type in his bib overalls, but named Ashley, which gave him fits when the other boys made gay jokes about his name. Then there was the classmate named Darling Valentine, which she rejected daily.
Those Hollywood folks have really challenged their kids with names like Apple, Moon Unit, and Peaches among the odd ones listed here:
http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/families/article2130988.ece
During boring meetings, we often amused ourselves putting together hypothetical firms from a list of the bank's customers along the lines of, but never quite as good as, the Tappet Brothers' "Duwe, Shaftham & Howe or "Highwide & Hansen."
My secretary blushed a little when she picked out: "Turner, Hammerer & Boldt."
Ralph Lauren's son recently married someone named Lauren Bush and I found it amusing that altho the entertainment media covered the wedding as if we cared, no one mentioned the obvious.
Been busy for a few days so I'm trying to catch up. RoadYacht's comment yesterday about cat5 o nine tails..... Very clever!!
I count ten. I also understand that Eli lost a digit in a refrigerator accident, which is why he coulda missed one, tail that is. I would have said something yesterday but I was unplugged. Please ignore the lost digit comment, it was offered in jest. It may however be true, I have no way of knowing and probably shouldn't have said a thing. I take it all back, but I am sending it anywayhow.
Spring - I like your names, both given and screen! My screen name is the name of the street where I live, Moose Loop, a short circle in a larger development. I have not seen any moose in N. GA, but we have herds of white tailed deer. Don't know what the original developers were thinking when they named the street, as moose are not indigenous to this area!
Also, you mentioned the clocks changing....In Tasmania, you are already 14 (?) hours ahead of our Eastern Standard Time (USA), and you say yours just moved forward? It is too much for me to figure out, as we are on Daylight Saving Time, and ours "falls back" an hour on Nov. 6. (We "spring forward" in March, and "fall back "in autumn, so lose an hour in a few weeks.)
Hazel - How does your time change? Are you 6 hours ahead of US - EST? Are you in Daylight Saving Time also? I see postings on the Eye are marked in the USA time of the Eastern time zone, regardless from what part of the globe one writes. Perhaps that is a plus for thesepia train, in that time is irrelevant!
But back to the topic....It is interesting that Spring described Asian family naming as such a symbolic and complex process, whereas few people I know even give a thought to the connotations or implications of names. Is the family name always the father's name, I wonder? And what happens when those who have chosen a hyphenated last name marry someone with a hyphenated last name? In theory that could get too long to fit on any standard legal form! Pity the double hyphenated child trying to learn to write his whole name in kindergarten!!
Anyone may use an alias, but you can't get legal papers, such
as a driver's license or passport, in any name but your legal
name.
Unless you are a secret agent, an illegal alien, a
high school or college student, or POTUS.
Redundancy is my middle name.
Then there is George aka T-Bone aka Koko the
monkey
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JC4C_Gcp_dM
As instructed, just another fun response. Please
don't take me seriously, why should today be any different? I am back to work.
Dog names,too. We named our mix'd breed Farfel. That was the name of a puppet dog,used in Nestle` commercials when we were kids. As the dog grrew, he picked his own name (as most dogs will) and now is known as "Last bite", as in "are you gonna finish that? can I have it?" Having a dog named "Last Bite" does wonders for keeping my weight down........
Moose~ Our time will change soonly and the dark winter evenings will preside. At the moment, we are on BST, but it gets dark earlier and light later.
My cat's name is Crocodile . His purr is so loud he gets caught being naughty like the Crocodile in Peter Pan with the swallowed clock ticking away always announcing his arrival.
CHEF:
Love your cat's name.
My current cat is named Coco (the cown) I have kept two cats with tail deficiency. One was named Minus, the other Mr Arfur Tail.
grrrrgggh! Clown.
I don't know why or how but there are west of town some country lanes made by combining parts of two girl's names. A sensitive gag reflex prevents…
One of my brother's lives on Purple Aster Lane and when I asked what he was thinking, he said: "I guess I forgot about you."
http://www.firstnamesgermany.com/the-german-law-on-first-names/
Amanda Knox has been released from prison in Italy after an appeal revealed the shabbiness of the case against her.
Doesn't tell you who did the murder but looks a lot like justice.
Very pretty girl.
I never thought Amanda or her boyfriend were guilty.
I'm so happy and glad she will be free and can come home.
Actually I cried!!
My 16 yr. old calico cat is Emily (For Emily Dickinson), and the current feline in a long line of all the cats I have had over the years. First one= Dirtynose, then Snowball, Snowball Two, Colonel, Tiger, Voodoo, Lovey, Mouser, Gloria, and now Emily. You are right that it is important to name a pet after its attributes. My old Emily understands my voice as a dog might. She knows how to ask to go out, to be fed, and to beg when she is not happy. If I sit down, she is in my lap, and meow-complains when I put her down...considering that it is hard to read the paper or my book with her there. Now, Fiona, Floyd's kitty friend is another story.
Moose~ I love calico cats, in the UK they are called Torties. The random blotches of colour can be quite amusing. One of my locals is named Funniface.
Realizing the importance of naming a cat for its attributes I worked/thought for several days what would be a good name for the sweet lovey kitten that my daughter had given me for Christmas. As he climbed all over me and purred and licked I tried Lovey, Hershey (chocolate sweetness--even tho' he's a calico), Fluffy, ......you name it--any sweet sometimes cloyingly so name I tried and he didn't respond and it just didn't fit right. Thought it would, but it didn't. A few days of name trying and lots of kitten antics and mishaps later my Pakistani friend who was staying with us said, "That cat is a lot of punga!" "Punga?" I ask. That's Urdu for trouble was the reply. And Punga it was and still is fifteen years later. He knew his name, we just needed to figure it out.
One of the responsibilities of the shaman of the great tribes of the southwest was to name all of the new born children.
One day one of the children asked the Shaman, 'how do you choose the name for each child.
The Shaman smiled and replied:
' I typically bame a child after whatever it is that I observe right after their entry into the world. If I am near a river I may name that child Rippling Brook or Raging Waters. If I see a hunting party leaving the village I may name that child Strongbow. If there is a storm brewing I may name that child Thunder Cloud or Mighty Wind.
So tell me young Two Dogs Mating, why do you ask about this?
Old jokes never die, they just become politically incorrect.
Peace out
Carol~ a male calico is very unusual.
Duvet time in Wales. Nos da, dear people.
Even that naughty Peter Lake.
Here I am again, all showered and tooth scrubbed.
I was just wondering why nobody said "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet" and I really am off to bed now.
PETER LAKE: By that philosophy, I should have at least one kid named, Three Fingers of Scotch, Neat ....... but probably without the Comma .......
Moose! I had often wondered how you came up with your moniker!
In fact I wondered about so many of you...Rusty, lotlot, Stoney, Lynn. Uligam, Luddite, Shandonista, Bebe just to name a few. Some strange ones that I have come to know include Roadyacht, Jalopkin, Karma Swim Swami. If we think about it, when we have a chance to name ourselves, what are we trying to say? Do we see these as extensions of ourselves? Some other monikers I have used include Quixotic, chinoichic and kiasu (this last one reflects a very Singaporean trait, loosely translated to mean "scared to lose". It is the antithetical to the Tall Poppy Syndrome, really a very Australian trait).
Yes, I am now 15 hours ahead of US EST. The easiest way to get round that is add 3 hours to what you see printed here and change the colour of the sky. So now, while you are 9.30pm (dark sky), I am 12.30..bright sky :)
Glad to see Amanda Knox freed...I didnt think she is guilty too and had worried with an arbitrary justice system like that in Italy (my perception) what chance did she have
ever heard the truckers on their CB radios? Now THOSE are some names!!!
Away out here they've got a name for rain and wind and fire. The rain is Tess, the fire's Joe. They call the wind Maria. My name is Jose Jimenez was a career break for Bill Dana. Si? The Banana Song's name was/is The Name Game & the name of the game is I like it like that and once Beretta was cool and that's the name of that tune.
Somebody talk to me! I'm bored...just walked through the mall, can't believe they are already displaying Xmas stuff. Markets holding some losses but not as bad as yesterday. Casino stocks in Macau (near HK) hit as they see the disappearance of high rollers. I'm
fascinated by the scenes of "Occupy Wall Street"..in the land of the free? And now that has extended to "Occupy" other US cities including Chicago, LA, Boston,Seattle ....and I'm sure many more cities will be added soon. These are typically bear market psychology. As the chinese curse goes, we live in interesting times ...but for the moment, i am b-o-r-e-d ...
Ivan, you're hilarious. Thank you for the morning's laughter.
Best,
Penny [Nickel, Dime]
I went to college with a girl named Penny Small, she was, and is still, Nickel Large, and she sings a danged good rendition of, "Take Me Back To Texas." "That's the way the girls are, down in Texas."
Name change? Lemme see now, I have always admired the parents of
CALVIN COOLIDGE JULIUS CAESAR TUSCAHOMA MCLISH for giving him enough names. Of course, there's PIERRE GUSTAVE TOUTANT BEAUREGARD for the melody of it.
Both overcame the obstacle to have a decent career in his chosen field.
If I had a chosen field, I'd change my name accordingly.
:)))
Death To Flying Things
The Only
Big Poison
Little Poison
Dizzy, Daffy, Scooter, Bad News, Ol' Gus, Suitcase Simpson, Vinegar Bend, and about 300 more.
Not enough nicknames anymore. We're all just too serious. :)))
A NBA player who named himself World Peace, a Football Player self-named Ocho Cinco, and a baseball player with the monicker of Coco Crisp.
My favorite movie character name has to be Lionel Twain...