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August 21, 2012
Emily Post has spoken.
Or at least, The Emily Post Institute has. According to the website, jeans are appropriate for casual occasions only. In fact, the etiquette site seems to prefer khakis for men (as they are listed first) and a sundress or skirt for ladies. However, "good jeans (clean no holes)" are acceptable for men and "nice jeans" are fine for ladies. Again, casual events only which - although not specified - seems to translate to a back-yard picnic or family reunion hay ride. Nothing work -related, please.
Should you have occasion to wear jeans, we think you'll like our J. Peterman Jeans. Classic fit. Five pockets. Rugged back pocket leather logo.
Funny, a 1953 article by Emily Post in The Toledo Blade is unreservedly harsh towards jeans. A young girl wrote to Post through her column, asking if she agreed with the girls' mother that it was inappropriate to wear jeans into "the village" near her family's seaside resort in summer (location unnamed.) Post wrote, "I doubt if I can give an unbiased answer. The reason is that my own vivid memories of the entrancing summer dresses worn by the ‘beautiful' women of yesterday have made me personally dislike the sloppy costumes of today - such as blue jeans."
What do you think? Have jeans ruined our sense of etiquette? Or, have they liberated our souls?
Beg to differ, but my idea of going formal is to have my jeans starched and ironed with a crease down the front.
Then I'm in high cotton.
No laziness has ruined our sense of etiquette, jeans are just the symptom. I am always on the hunt for a flattering pair of jeans but I won't buy them unless I can try them on to be sure. I'm more offended by girls thinking it is ok to where a beach cover up as a dress, with flipflops and messy hair to more formal occasions like church, funerals, weddings, and job interviews.
Haze, to quickly bring you out of all that you have been through:
H = hugs.
A = angels.
Z = zest.
E = energy.
L = love.
Jeans and my new blue checked button down casual shirt with my fry "jane" harness boots would be the perfect outfit to wear to the Mumford and Sons concert at Saltair down at the Great Salt Lake on Wednesday...if I can get a ticket: http://nachista.blogspot.com/ I'm trying to find one for $75 or less and not having any luck. *sigh* I'm an eejit for waiting too long.
Ahhh lotlot, you're sweet. I love how everyone has rallied for Hazel. Hazel how is Tuesday treating you? Hopefully better than Monday.
Jeans are not to be worn to church. I may have broken the rest of my Fathers house rules, but to this day, Not that one.
I think many people are just lazy. I know I feel better about myself when I am dressed up a bit. I try to remember that & it makes a difference even on the Crazy days...
Hazel, Feel Better. Prayers & Happy thoughts being sent your way.
Oh Hazel, Lotlot's post today made me go back to yesterday's to read what happened.
Big hug and kiss, I hope you get your mojo back soon!
Aaaaawww~ dear people, you have made me cry happy tears of gratitude for such lovely friends. Thank You so much.
Jeans - one less decision per day! What to wear. God does not mind if you wear jeans to church. I am blessed with slender legs and a small backside. I'm comfortable in jeans any day that ends with Y.
Lot,Lot, I too, used to iron my centered creased cuffed jeans...and had to... especially... iron the cuffs on the bottom of the pant leg...perfectly..ironed..the seam....had to match the length of the crease on both leg pant ...and steadily...flattened and pressed....so, I was in 3rd grade..and could iron like...a professional steam pressor...and my...hands were sewing granny skirts...and blouses at that age..and toy bears..and love to use buttons for eye.... alot of "big" rik rack.....with perfect seams: straight stitch..then zigzag to prevent fabric fraying...oh my,, now I do not care ... tiddlywink about my fabric.seam..fraying and threads loosening...after years of double darn sure-ing..or to ensure...a long life of wear...like the old-time..."fabric guarantee label for life"...at my age ..just get it done and wear...and mend later... if needed....no one sees your under- sewing mess...that reminds me of my favorite underslips..I still have my sisters orange, red, black mini, orange flowered hawaiian lace floral mini, from the 60's..I take such care of my clothes..everything still fits..and I do not need a modern take on a newer model of slip...for those..slips...can not be replaced...its hard to find mini slips...maybe todays..fashion cloth skirts...need a underslip- mini...get busy..".slips wanted"...I never ever bought a fanciful valour sweat suit because I have no time to sit...and refuse to buy one...will never ever wear jeans or sweat suits like I see.... to church..always dresses, skirts, and suits...did you know that jeans with bling.and Lace.are in...for 2012-2013. Right now, I am preparing for a Hat Fashion Show,,,all hats are recycled materials and mens collar shirts..adorned....IvyGailWinds exits to Lilly Whites Party..in a chantilly lace..Seafoam..La Fee Verte CrissCross back..nightie....nite nite....
IvyGailWinds~ Nice post! Petticoats/underslips/lace floral mini-slips .... Good grief! As a lifelong 'tomboy' such things are a mystery to me.
I would be lost without jeans... It's all I wear all winter long and I'm in denim capris all summer.
Good Tuesday to all!
I'm with lotlot on the Starched & Pressed ... Tailor'd and Pressed Jeans look Great, they are comfortable, and they hold a crease very well ... I particularly like Bell-Bottom Jeans cuz they flare out over the stovepipes of my Boots nattily ... Got one pair with slits about eight inches up the outside of the Bell, and stirrup'd Conchos at the Vee ... Those are mostly for Rodeo Wear ... Had a Tuxedo made of Stone-Washed Denim, with the Black Silk Collar, Lapels, and Cuffs ... wore the frilly shirt and the Cummerbund was actually a short Spanish sash of Royal Blue ... Always caused me a lot of Questions at an Embassy Ball, about Oil Wells, Indians, and Gunfighters ... Was tempted to wear my Spurs, once ... but a Note from the Admiral decided me against it ... Did wear that Tux to the Governors Ball, when Bill Clements broke the 100 year hold the Dixiecrats had on the Governor's Mansion in 1979 ... Danced with one President's Daughter, and One President's Wife, that evening too ....... Yeah ... Starched & Pressed, Jeans look Good !!!
HAZE....................wonderful to see you & I too hope that today is a much better day for you. Here's hoping that sunshine & relaxation are yours!
This past weekend was moving in day at the university. The young women are famously known for their beauty, BUT I came into town Sunday for my times & some groceries. Too many of these young women mistook their church wear for something better suited to a stripper pole.................trust me, jeans would have been a vast improvement..........dresses should probably be longer than a few inches past your drawers......................
NACHISTA.....................Frye's are the best, I have the harness boots & wear them w/ no socks they are that comfortable.......................
Have a wunnerful Tuesday everyone.................
In the fall, at a tailgate or a wine tasting, I like jeans with a button down and a bowtie and my crested Navy Blazer and loafers sans socks. Classic American Prep with a twist is a favorite of mine. I also like jeans with a dress shirt (tail out) and a pair of cuff links with my black or suede boots. I have some martini glass links that have a little green olive that are really cool when I am actually having a martini as they look like mini me's chasing the big glass. It's no longer about do this or do that but can you pull it off with a degree of panache. And if you go tucked in, for goodness sakes, get a proper belt so you don't look like Gomer.
I am proud to post a video of my 81 year old partner appearing on the Jesse Goldberg Show in Nashville. Jesse is so talented and the opening of his show begins with a wonderful little tune called "It's a Ruff Life" from his musical about dogs. Anyway Pete looks great in his fashionable denim & bright shoes and his John Lennon shirt from Two Old Hippies one of the coolest stores in Nashville. Age and being hip is a state of mind not simple chronology and my mentor keeps me young at heart.. He reminds me daily that Nazis still suck and friendship is a beautiful thing. http://youtu.be/DCH4z4U_yQ0
We touched on this topic a bit when we discussed workshirts........but I'm mighty glad to have Emily Post in my corner!
Bebe--our students also arrived over the weekend and I agree with you on the fashion (in)sensibilty of the co-eds--even as much as I stand with Ms. Post, you're right.
How colorfulthe village is today.Jeans are and always have been a wardrobe staple for me. Peterman jeans are the bomb!!
TT---your partner is a beautiful man:}
I like the idea that Peterman jeans are TIMELESS, they are.I love jeans but when they are worn sloppy and the butt is hanging down, waistline too baggy, too many holes and stains, then, they have to go. A classy pair of Peterman jeans, in my opinion, can be worn anywhere, any time for any occasion, pure class I think.
bebe, I know! I have wanted a pair of their "Jane" style harness boots for 4 years, but they stopped making them a couple years ago and I could never justify paying $300 for boots. So I've scoured ebay every week and I have bid on every pair that have come up for auction, finally got a gently used pair for $70 and I LOVE them. Ebay was also how I found 3 pairs of my favorite style of dicontinued Levis. Now if only I can find a M&S ticket for tomorrow night for $75 or less I'll be set *insert McKayla Maroney not impressed face*.
Thank you magicangel. Having a mentor is my recommended key to success. Learning to not only ask for advice but being willing to take it a close second. Guts ain't far behind.
Didn't we just discuss this topic a few days ago with the denim subject?
I am with Hazel on where to wear jeans. If you are law abiding, clean, and clothed, I can't see why it is wrong to wear your jeans to church or anywhere. Although I have seen invitations to fancy events that specifically stated : no jeans.
As for me, the jeans are for casual spots, comfort, and hardiness, not for daily wear. I like the feel of the smooth chino pants in capri length....all colors.
Must run and do errands....You Villagers have a great Tuesday!
T ~ The interview ended too early. Is there a part 2?
As far as jeans in church go, I believe that energy follows intention. Interpretation: God doesn't care what you wears on the outside, he cares what you wear on your heart. I'm a denim loving girl at heart but I'll admit that I feel and act differently when I glam up.
p- Coming soon. I'll put a link to our website. later. Thanks for watching. We are doing a one act presentation in the Fall where I will be playing his father and he asks me questions he never asked during his father's lifetime. He says I remind him of this father in appearnace.- size and demeanor- Life is so mysterious.
In my jeans, today I'll be going to DC for a few days for business. I have to "dress" for my appointments while I'm there. In my jeans I'll return on Friday night.
more on the honor rollHave a great week all.
High cotton! lotlot you are such a trip!
nachista, I'm with you. I have seen more disrespect of both the living and dead here lately at funerals than ever before. Where did these people grow up? In caves? I was always taught that you gave respect to the dead and love to the living by wearing dark colors to express empathy and be well groomed (and that means dressed, too) to show respect for the family's love for their departed one. Where was Emily then?
Plus, I LOVE eBay! You can score such great things for nada! Just got a full-length raccoon coat for less than $150! Where else can you go to get a deal like that? When people clean out their attics, sometimes they just don't realize the value of an item.
Hazel, I've been out of the loop, but it sounds like things aren't going as we would wish for you. This Village can't ever be the same without you; therefore I hope today is a better day and that tomorrow is wonderful!
TT, he's WONDERFUL! (Will you BOTH marry me?) How brave to share such traumatic memories. I don't know if I could ever tell anyone something like that...I would be the proverbial ostrich. Plus, he's got such "cool" shoes! But where is the rest of the interview? What happened to his father? Or should I even ask such a silly question about the Nazis?
Where are the glamour girls of yesteryear? I loved watching the old movies on television as a child and so wanted to be those women. I adopted their walk, talk, and demeanor. I took the old voile curtains from the living room windows and made "outfits" to swan about the basement, pretending to be Bette Davis or Jean Harlow. In those curtains I could be Ginger Rogers (remember: backwards and in heels!); I could be Ingrid Bergman ("Play the song, Sam. You know the one I mean. It went like this..."); I could be any of the lovely ones.
In today's jeans I could be a slut. I need the "Hepburn" pants of yesteryear..."There ain't much of her, but what's there is cherce!" (Spence T.) Ain't much of a 6' gal? But then, back then I was heading for a height of 5'11", and was thin as a rail, so I could relate.
I'll take my glamour where and when I can get it (or make it), and when I can't, then it's high-waist jeans (pressed ala lotlot and TT) and a silk shirt...plus English riding boots here!
I'm glad you shared the video. You are right, the man would be classy in a gunny sack. Must be a privilege to know him
Recycled jeans make some pretty doozy hats and shoulder bags
If you can wear ‘em on Letterman, you can wear ‘em anywhere.
♫ Music break
♪♪ for anyone interested.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXcRI0BdioE
I mostly wear black Levis, though I love my 501s ... button fly. bebe, I had wonderful Frye boots in the 60s and another pair in the 80s. Loved them, but now I wear sandals almost year round or Dansko clogs. A friend gave me a pair of Uggs which are still in my closet ... in the box ... brand new and unworn 3 years later. Maybe I should put them on Ebay.
Hazel...I sure hope you're feeling better.
RY, I've used old jeans for so many patchwork projects...in fact I have a drawer full of jeans legs ...cut and ready to use.
TT, part 1 abruptly ended. When Otto's father was taken away by the SS men, was he released?
Since I missed out on dust storms from space, I will say that I'm shocked the most famous dust cloud photo from NASA wasn't in the line-up. That photo was, of course, the cloud of dust from the collapsing Twin Towers as it moved first northward to about Canal Street, then back down and crossed the river to Brooklyn. It was taken by a lone NASA astronaut who just happened to be looking out the window with his little disposable camera at the time of the disaster.
Second famous photo of dust as seen from space, in my humble opinion, would be the twin pillars of dust ("billions and billions" of light years from here) as taken by the Hubble Telescope (post-fix).
Pooka reports not on notebook but under her photo entitled "Mom, it's bedtime!"
But she says we women should still wear a skirt to a "family reunion hayride" ? Has Miss Emily ever sat her skirt-wearing backside down on a pile of hay? I think she ought to rethink that edict. probably she thinks snow sledding in a skirt is a good idea too... Once again, I envy men's clothes. Not men, necessarily, but your clothing, be it swell or casual, just makes perfect sense. And looks great at the same time.
Howdy Hazel! Big wave and a hug coming from Wisconsin aiming at Wales....
Sundress! Skirt! The last time I tried to put on pantyhose .... Which is? are? necessary for a dress or skirt, they almost needed to call 911 and paramedics to unbend me.
I have been pondering that pile of denim up top the entire
day and there is one and only one thought that has been coursing through my
soul because of it. It is not an answer to the question have they liberated
our souls, but I'm thinking, I'm thinking, somewhere in there is my
missing sock. Oh, hell, that's not the truth. I only wrote that
for a cheap laugh.
The other thought I had was more profound, indeed, almost worthy of repeating here.
These jeans are the remnants of each and every tryst when
the jeans were peeled off quickly, fell on the stairs or to the floor and while
the liberated bodies swirled in their whirlwind of passion and lust, the jeans
that were thought to be left scattered about on carpet, tile, wood or earth
continued to fall and fall and fall onto this heap in the pit of the second
circle of hell. Corduroys can be found in the bargain basement of maybe the sixth or seventh circle of hell.
Tommy T, you are so fortunate to know Pete. It is clear he has a beautiful soul.
Dear, dear, Hazel. hope today was FAR better than yesterday, and you have see the last of those test. I'm praying for all good results and for a happy, smooth transition from one dwelling to another.
Jeans for casual wear. Swirling, soft, long skirts for dress-up.
Andy: but do you recall Mom and Grandmom hooking their stockings onto one of those bullet proof white long leg girdles? I do. I don't know how they could stand wearing them on - especially - a hot day in the summer, but they did. I came from a family of vain women though, so maybe not all women wore the bullet proof stuff each and every time they left the house...like those in my family. And extended family of women addicted to mirrors...but that's another subject. ;)
AN extended family, not AND ...
Tommy T- I think each of us should have a mentor, we also need to hear what is being said and understand that the information given is for our highest good, or should be anyway.
Park4-- yes. my grandmother wore one of those long girdle type corsets that had the loops to hook up the hose, garters.....and looked so uncomfortable! When you hugged Grandmother, if she let you, then you felt the armor encircling her girth and knew she could not bend over if her life depended on it!
Jeans are the American Icon! I don't care if your nose is up in the air or your a plain jane. Blue jeans make or break the women of America. Look as Rosie the Riveter. Then look at our fashion, a pair of blue jeans and a white mans long sleeve shirt. Rachel Wealch looks good still to this day and in her hey day with jeans dressed with a pair of stiletoto heels and off she went. If it were not for Kalvin Kline ad, nothing comes between my calvin's and me. I'll take my jean to where ever I want to go. Even to the White House.
Gale from Pa.
Calvin Klein
Park ~ Yesssssss! And me as well; a Playtex girdle, ugh. I love jeans. Some of them are even dressy, black velvet instead of denim. Every now and again I will cave and wear a pants outfit but rarely, if ever, dresses or skirts any more...........the freedom, I can breathe. Emily do not take away my jeans.
Dear Hazel - I've been following the antics of this group for only a short while, but it
is readily apparent that you are much loved and appreciated. Please take our best wishes as a most effective remedy for all that ails thee.
As for jeans, I think they are fine for casual wear, but I do believe there is a psychological incentive to behave in a more gracious manner when we are dressed a bit more formally. This is even more important to me as age takes its inevitable toll. Sometimes I imagine myself in today's fashions, knowing that forty years ago I would have looked "quite spiffy" as my grandmother would say, but today I would look more like an old fool.
UPS just delivered a new pair of my favorite jeans.
Good for a few million more steps.
Back door still locked, eh? sigh.....
deja vu? sigh..... good night all ...
Am just reading this article about which states/areas of the America are the most generous. My guess is that the results are the same in any parts of the world...just a guess
http://www.dailygood.org/more.php?n=5124
Today for me, will be khakis and a bright polo with loafers (no socks as usual), for a drive to Chattanooga. I like the feel of cotton and the light airy look of khakis. SF-genorosity springs forth more abundantly when it is by choice and not by coercion from my perspective. Casting the bread upon the waters extends to using local vendors and small businesses whenever possible even when it costs a little more and in doing things for people without their knowing it. The joy of helping others is a reward in and of itself.
So, no topic yet. MMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!
Beautiful philosophy, Tommy T. I love shopping in my little towm which has become an local aartist haven. I know I'll be getting and giving things that are unique plus supporting local people.
Clothing wise today is the long skirt cause I just felt like it.
Town! fingers not quite awake.
The door is open!
Just click on "newer" on the top right of this page. Its important today.
The more I thing about it, let's return to the times of gloves and the language of fans and flowers. I want to tap a man's should with my fan, have a dance card and small silver pencil, then have the gentleman of the moment use a handkerchief to touch my back as we waltz. I want swirling skirts, and flying tails of men's evening jackets. I want beautiful jewelry and handsome waist coats. I want yesterday...because today is too ugly.
no CHEFD.................the door is closed.........................