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If you have an excessive amount of pride, you might take an excessive amount of pride in the fact that Pride is considered the worst sin.
Yes, that’s right. Before Envy, Lust, Wrath, Sloth, Gluttony and Greed. And before a list of 7 deadly new sins that have just been added by the Vatican, like polluting, genetic engineering and obscene riches.
It was, after all, the original sin of Pride, which begat all other sins. Pride transformed Lucifer, an anointed cherub of God, into Satan. Made Eve eat that Apple. And gave us Donald Trump.
The sin of Pride, experts tell us, is a preoccupation with self. If there is any doubt, a very proud wordsmith, no doubt, found that there is in the middle of Pride an "I." (Although it probably doesn’t mean you’re off the hook, in other languages.)
All organized religions, and a few disorganized ones, agree on the subject — so right away you know you are in trouble. In Buddhism, pride is seen as illogical, since no one person can be better or worse than someone else. In Christianity, Pride gets in the way of recognizing God and doing God’s work.
Judaism has given us "Pride goeth before a fall." The Book of Mormon is based on the Fallen people.
But just when it’s easy to believe all Pride is bad, (and the 7 Deadly Sins make no distinctions) now comes some contradictory evidence that some Pride is okay.
For example, being proud of yourself that you got through medical school without being thrown out. Or having the greenest lawn on the block.
Self-Pride is the basis for the writings of Ayn Rand. However, and it’s a big however, if there is more pride then self worth, (and Howard Roark was no Frank Lloyd Wright), it manifests itself into False Pride, also known as Hubris in ancient Greece.
This kind of Pride, also called “Neurotic Pride,” by noted therapist Karen Horney, compensates for low self-esteem and is usually characterized by the feelings of superiority, arrogance — and if anyone suggests you’re not perfect, you get defensive, fall apart and say terrible things.
Secondary, or Vicarious Pride is Pride is the case of inserting the “I” into other people’s achievements — even our own children. And if not controlled can lead to things like
bashing an umpire at a Little League match or attempting to kill a rival cheerleader’s mother.
Group Pride is complicated and you can get into all kinds of issues on why it’s OK for one group to have Pride and not another.
Excessive National Pride starts wars and riots at soccer matches.
The antidote for Pride, we are told is humility, although I read that the proud man or woman can learn humility, but will be proud of it. So, I guess you can strike humility.
I do know Pride can be expensive, getting you to purchase cars you don’t need, or a house you can’t afford.
And I do think, (humbly, of course) Pride is at its worst when it keeps you from forgiving people and when it makes you walk away when you really want to stay.
Clearly, for this huge, confusing and complex subject, I’m not too proud to realize I need answers. A lot.
Or are you going to let your foolish Pride get in the way?
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I'll take great pride in trying to come up with an appropriate post for this topic.
Given time and a three year visit from the IRS, pride can dissolve like a poot in a tornado.
It wasn't an Apple .......
The Apple business is a vatican invention .......
It was a Passion Fruit .......
WHY ... Does one suppose that it got that Name ???
Pride is both a necessary and unnecessary sin, and part of the very fabric of mankind. Without such a sin, much of the legacy of man would be dust. Our urge to create in stone, across many cultures, is a testament to the permanence of such a continuous thread in our minds.
Pride indicates "I'm up. You're down" and requires one upmanship. Pride in others especially your kiddos is AOK. Self-confidence is about opening a can of Whoopass on the devil within that says "you can't do it". Got the rental car rolling after a stop in "Looavul" and making camp in ETown. On to Portland this morning and then to NVegas. BizE day. Tennesse Pride makes fine sausage. Reading for a student film later called Juicy Mooshu. Old crusty drunk chain smokin' drug dealer. Yep, that's me since Nick Nolte is not available plus I work for food.
My humility is my proudest virtue which I take great pleasure in pointing out. A little self esteem is fine (and there are those who have negative self esteem). And then there are those who can strut sitting down. Perhaps the appropriate watchword is "moderation."
"The devil made me do it." Flip Wilson
"Yeah, but look what happened to him." GOD
Self assurance: "I can do that well," and satisfaction: "I have done as promised," are reasonable and dignified assertions neither falsely modest nor boastful.
National pride: "This is the greatest country on earth" is both immodest and ungracious not to mention demonstrably false on many levels.
http://youtu.be/i7lKNjtvfpc
I wouldn't trade it though.
Very funny, Lynn.
'Proud' feels a whole lot better than ashamed or embarrassed. I forget what it's called - the scale that measures from the sublime to the ridiculous. Seems it's usually best to strike a happy medium. It is rumoured that those paunchy middle aged men who strut around in flashy convertibles and live in big houses, crowing like cockerels on a dung heap 'My house/car/clothes/ places I eat are better than yours' are usually rather sad people. At the other end of the scale, we have ordinary folk who have done extraordinary things and keep very quiet about it.
Hazel ~
In an upscale tea room, that man (Mr. Brand Name) occupied a nearby table: "Our El Dorado, my Rolex, this Versace silk shirt, my Armani tie, Perry Ellis jacket, our Lake Drive home, nanny, Louisa, and our gardener, Jaime," were all worked into a tortured, self-absorbed narrative and then, his credit cards were rejected and he had to ask to borrow eighty bucks from his guest who decided instead to pick up the tab.
Prejudice-d against pride? It has been said, many would be scantily clad if clothed in their humility.
I remember being awed at the cleverness of the script in the movie Seven starring Brad Pitt and Morgan Freeman, about a serial killer who kills off people according to the seven deadly sins. The ending sin of wrath is just so clever
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_(film)
Yep, Stoney~ and that man would not have a twinge of OMG!!! when his cards were rejected. Bet he never fills his fuel tank without a passenger (gullible mug) picking up the tab.
Janej78, I looked up the Gee's Bend Alabama Quiters, "fabulous quilts"...and could not believe how many works of art...in the collection...what a joy to sew!...Alabama has great artist,too! Out in Kansas, electric quilt artist have been coming quite popular...just a note on pride...pride is a strength..".that helps hold the human body together..."after directing theatre productions..I have alot of understanding...that this quality exhibits...some of the finest...intellects..talent preformers... whether in music or acting..stage dance, etc. exhibit and behave as prideful individuals...that may gloat on occassion or become obessive...with a certain human style character..for some individuals...they have achieve the right...and their behavior makes me smile with delight...I find assertiveness....wonderful...for those that use this human tool....its a strength...if used in the right way...like a well-tailored black suit with shoulder pads...and lines that eccentuuates ones style, line. and silhouette...who....illustrate strength...power.....beauty...its' all meshed together....or having pride in the opposite categories...anthesis...assert..ones behavior. pride.....does not involve itself with dullness or shyness...or reduced vitality> attenuate....Excenuate Yourself...and Use this for your Cameo Character or Performer Signature!!!! this is another example of my freeform writing style...enjoy the day and be Prideful...in acting class we can practice being prideful so you try too...walk around all day with Pride!!!! Then balance this human emotion...so you not offending anyone...simple advice...but everyone wears a different pair of shoes...! Ta...TA....!!!
Stoney - 8:36 - excellent post and youtube - also 9:23. Thank you!!
I realize now, with 20/20 hindsight, that I had very low self esteem as a child and young adult. Believe me, that is not a healthy or happy way to live. As I've matured I've become more comfortable with myself and am now generally a very happy person and I have a better sense of self worth. I know I have some skills and accomplishments, but there is still a part of me that thinks, gosh, if I can do this, it must not be that difficult. It took me a long time to learn to say a simple "Thank You" after being complimented. Then Stoney says, Self assurance: "I can do that well," and satisfaction: "I have done as promised," are reasonable and dignified assertions neither falsely modest nor boastful. Thank you Stoney, that was well said, and a good lesson.
instead of excenuate it should be excensuate....and notice just now eccentuu-->>error eccentuates.only one u..sorry...I love eccentrics...too ...another character strength...one who does not follow the normal pattern of way of things...emotions...or in other words... unconventional artist.
I can really be irritable in the morning. Let me try this again in a few minutes.
Spring Fragrance - excellent movie - one of my very favorites, it is so well done.
I am grateful for all that I have, for all that I have accomplished and that my children are not in jail. Also that I still have enough sense, I hope, to keep it to myself. Nothing more uninteresting than the litany of a boor.
My husband and I have been married for 55 years today and I am more than grateful for that!
Chef Deb, you crack me up!
Congratulations, Giraffe on your anniversary.
GIRAFFE! That is fantastic!! Do you and your husband have an anniversary tradition? Special meal or outing? Whatever, have a wonderful day!
Anyone? I need a paid airline ticket to Vegas from Pittsburgh, to attend my Xyngular Conference...arrive the 19th and will be leaving the 23rd...Green Valley Ranch Resort.......anyone up to helping?...even could use the xtra points airline points , Thanks...please do not question my pride...wheres Donald Trump when you need him...?
SATANI!! was the collective cry from our house helpers when the sound of breaking crockery came from the kitchen. He was also responsible for the diminishing levels of bisquit tins, sugar jars and shrinking slabs of cake,
Sorry I'm confused, what exactly does he mean by "The Book of Mormon is based on the Fallen people."? I'm LDS (mormon) and I've read the BofM several times but it isn't "based" on anything, we believe that it is ancient records that were translated, not written based on research. And what fallen people specifically? Don't most christian religions believe that because of the fall of adam and eve that we are all fallen and must obtain salvation through faith, good works, and grace?
I'm guilty of pride, but aren't we all? I think my biggest downfall is believing I should and can do everything by myself, the pride of being overly independent. It takes a lot of humility to ask for help and reassurance. That's something I need to work on.
Congratulations Giraffe, it is heartwarming and reassuring to see such longevity in marriage. I hope you can celebrate many more anniversaries together.
Which is why the Vatican had to come up with some NEW deadly sins....to make a smokescreen for their current state of Neurotic Pride. Duh.
Yes, I too consider humility to be one of my finest attributes. My arrogance makes up for my lack of pride, so don't anybody worry about me. I'll get along just fine. hee haw.
I don't have any pride!
And I'm not lion!!
It would be interesting to see the replies to the original posting.
http://youtu.be/12Hn-98fqkv
well, that was my attempt to present "Ain't Too Proud to Beg."
One can indulge in a well prepared meal or an evening at the symphony. You can even indulge in pride in an accomplishment or children. It is the indulgence in self pride like Stoney exampled so well in his 9:23 post that to me is the sin. Remember the writer of Genesis wants us to realize God was proud of his creation. "And God said ,'It is good.'"
Pride, the first peer and president of Hell. - DANIEL DEFOE
Pride or Joy or whatever gas is under 3 in Tennessee. Welcome Home Tommy- the paunchy guy in the red convertible!!!
PRIDE AND GRACE
NE'ER DWELL
IN ONE PLACE
BUT GRATITUDE IS
THE ATTITUDE
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I love all that "clatter in the kitchen," Hazel Leeze....I keep scented "old spice," geraniums around to keep me calmed down.....the oil release is wonderful!
Can we name names of The Most Arrogant People We Know? Like make a list? Or is naming names and making lists not acceptable? ....... In college, my roomates and I had something we called The Shit List, it was a real list posted on the hall wall, and on it was the names of certain young men who deserved to be on it. For various reasons. Sunday morning, the list would really get long...many names added. I heard later that it was considered a kind of honor to be named to The S List in our hallway, go figure, but boys age 18-21 have the strangest ideas in regard to what list is cool to be named to....Anyhow, Arrogance was one characteristic that would get a guy listed. But so would false piety and feigned innocence.... Oh you poor things: it aint easy being a boy is it? ;)
Being a boy was easy...being a man has proven to be much more demanding task and a lot less gratifying at times. I'd still rather go to war than have a baby, so being a dude has been a great experience. Us men folk tend to go a lot easier on each other too.
As long as we get to pee standing up, it ain't all bad.
P4- Yes'm, the poor poor pitiful me syndrome is the one that gets my goat...2 chickens & a small pig. The Whining sucks the energy right out of the room while the arrogant ones (myself included) can be quietened with a simple "you're full of shit". Men are generally competitive by nature and expressing it can come across in various and sundry ways. Struttin my stuff Y'all Wet Willie sang.
Stoney- Very well said.
& umm- the movie about the first pregnant man The Rabbit Test with Billy Crystal was troubling when I saw it. But the quote describes our head in the sandiness-"of course I know what a uterus is; he's the guy who killed Ceasar."
Stoney technically the fairer sex can pee standing up as well, it is just a lot messier.
Ummgawa ~
I noticed your mention that you had been out of these:
http://www.candyfavorites.com/licorice-allsorts
It was, I think, Doc Nolan who mentioned that all men marry up and no one has ever argued the point but some poor dopes don't realize it until it is too late.
Nachista ~
Would never have thought of that.
I'm not too proud to say I have no pride....
Correction...I DO have pride, but I like to think it's the good kind...in my family, my work, etc. Odd word, when you think of it....Gluttony, Envy, wrath, sloth,greed-bad words. Lust? Kinda fun when put in the right perspective!
nach- after a few mar"two"inis the target starts moving and things can get messy...
In a couple hours I'm heading to Los Angeles, I think it is the original home of all 7...I'll see how many I can collect, maybe I can get the full set!
ChefDeb ~ I can do that.
To misquote Arlo “I’ve been posting videos for 25 months I
could do it for another 25… I’m not proud or tired.
If it’s the Stones you wanted, just let me know.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfyFI-4ZsaE
Just heard on the news about the bush fires in Colorado. Do we have anyone there? bush fires are part of the Australian landscape, I'm sorry to hear about this.
Does anyone have a quick explanation and insight into your new healthcare rulings?
SF ~ Yes I do have that quick explanation. Healthcare. It makes our country the greatest country in the universe! Yabbadabba doooooooooo.
I took pride in my work, in the doing.....in trying to do the best of my abilities and to achieve the best outcome. The best part of my job was also in harmony with the universe which prefers to put you right away to a new task, a new challenge, so that you don't waste time and diminish whatever you have accomplished by gloating,boasting,or simly basking too long in the praise of others. There is no value added to such nonsence.
The universe will grant you the satisfaction that you gave your best,.........and then ask "but what have you done for me lately.
Resting on one's laurels will quickly lead to apathy and atrophy of the will and skills to use those things you have been blessed with and worked for.
Right or wrong, this is how i was raised. My Mom and Dad provided the guidance in word, but mostly by their actions.
I have empathy for those who need the approval and praise of others to help fill some secret need that only is known in their hearts.....and if their actions are praiseworthy, will gladly heap it on them.
Those who are boastful, always straining their shoulders patting themselves on the back,probably have a whole in their heart that needs to be filled too..........it's just difficult for me to be tolerant 'cos it bores the bejeezes out of me......which i am not proud of to be sure, but I've got enough other flaws to keep an eye on.
When it comes to my sons and grandson, i take every opportunity to tell them that I am proud to be their Dad and of who they became........no strings attached on that one.
I think there should be a word to describe being proud of something legitimate, to distinguish it from being pround and boastful and overbearing. 2 different emotions, varied by intent.
My least favorite character on TV was 'it's me, it's me, it's Ernest T' from Green Acres.
My ideal leader is one who says you or we when heaping praise and says I when casting blame.
SF ~
The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that citizens can be taxed $700 for not buying health insurance.
It is not yet clear what else we can be taxed for failing to buy.
Keep as cool as you are folks....... It's over 100 degrees in the shade here which might explain my rambling posts.
Catch ya on the flip side
Adios my friends I'm off to the airport, hopefully I'll be back online Tuesday with a few more good stories under my belt. Have a safe and happy weekend!
PAOLOS always love the Temps--thanks!
Nachista I do agree that false pride perhaps should have its own word...bravado?
bombastic blowhardism? Pride is a wonderful thing but I believe it is false pride that goes before a fall.
mmMMMMMMMjungle drums for BEBE...................................................mmmmmmmmmmm! Not too proud to say we need you here Bebe babe!
Stoney......this is the same government that paid farmers subsidies to not grow crops and subsidized the tabacco industry which is one of the root causes for escalating health care costs.........'and the beat goes on'
It reminds me of the movie 'Hot Fuzz' where all the people in a stranger-than-usual rural village justified all of their neFarious deeds with the robotic-like chant 'it's for the greater good'
Yep, SF, the healthcare law is now known among those who know, as the Obama Tax. Under his edict, and supported by the supremes, all Americans must purchase health insurance. If you say you can't afford it, you can sign up with one of the government exchanges, and you'll get your health insurance but it won't be free, because as you know, money isn't free, and it costs money to pay for health care. Now, if you don't comply with His edict, you will be taxed a certain amount of $, depending on your income. If you think you can just say "Hell no, I'm not paying the government, I won't write a check to the IRS just because I don't want their health insurance - not to worry. The IRS will have already deducted it from your tax return or added it to your income tax bill. So now, the great Middle Class can be taxed big-time along with those 1% -ers He keeps yammering about. AND, those small under-50 employee companies who as a group are the biggest group responsible to HIRING, what will happen is this: they'll either let employees go to stay below the 50 person minimum (doesn't apply to companies with less than 50 employees) or, they'll have to drop insurance coverage for their employees, because the cost will be prohibitive, and so they'll pay the $2,000 /employee tax, because it will be cheaper. Like, only $100,000 rather than an unknown higher amount. .............. I'd say Obama's laughing about this one, he got us, but I have faith that he will be "repealed"along with his damn healthcare tax. Hurry hurry November. I'm counting the days.
Oh, and the tax on your income will gradually increase, so if you think the first installment out of your tax refund hurts, wait till the next one. He's the worst person to occupy the White House since - since nobody. He is the worst president ever. Sneaky and arrogant and ... with all due respect to the office of the President - the man who is occupying the chair in the oval office is a ... mistruth-er. I'd call him a liar, but that's bad form.
Almost the midnight hour in Wales. Nos da, dear people x
Hubris...? I thought that was the title of the POTUS's new autobiography.
Today's S. Court ruling has enhanced Mitt's coffers by million$ already.
Nobody likes to be told "You have to pass it to know what is in it," or "You have to buy this, or be fined," both overstepping of the Feds that show some kind of over-reaching Pride in their power. Soapbox now being stowed away for another day.
All right damm it, it's time somebody said it and since the rest of you are too damm proud to say it, I will. PRIDE is not the greatest of all sins. GUILT is. I am and can be envious, lustful, gluttonous, greedy, lazy and outright mean and I am proud of it.I like to channel my sinfullness to make me a better and more productive citizen and neighbor. I think that you are all better people for it. Thus is it written.
Park ~ You said it and you said it so well; hear! hear! I can't add anything without sputtering. Ivan ~ We're waiting ..............
“Members of this Court are vested with the authority to interpret the law; we possess neither the expertise nor the prerogative to make policy judgments. Those decisions are entrusted to our nation´s elected leaders, who can be thrown out of office if the people disagree with them. It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.”
Chief Justice John Roberts
I spent the last few days in Puerto Rico and was fortunate
enough to experience the topic that y’all so eloquently hashed over yesterday.
Restaurante Raices serves Puerto Rican food in the old style
and tradition. I know, not because I was
there in the old days but because I have faith in the truthfulness of my
host. The weather was brutally hot (okay
it was only 90 something F. the restaurant is air conditioned and I won’t
complain) so I had to begin with a cool and refreshing drink. The locals suggested a daiquiri
tamarindo. Ah! Perfecto! Served ice cold in a tin cup, sweet and tart
with a hint of a chocolate flavor. The
appetizers included Yuca, Acrapuras, Bacalaitos and Piononas.
I don’t know what any of that is but everything was muy excelente!
The main course was Mofongo with Caribbean shrimp in a
creole sauce. Mofongo is mostly smashed plantains and is served in a Pilon. I ate and drank without question, with nary a
regret. Nary only because I ate too much, gluttonous fool that I am.
I know this will surprise everyone but there is proof that I
make friends easily. Not even Tommy Typical
can schmooze like I schmooze.
http://www.petermanseye.com/photos/602671
If we don't want a socialist government, which is what Obama wants and is creating - in November we vote him out. Throw him out, as Roberts wrote. I like "throw" better. I'm concerned though about the amount of damage this guy can do in the next few months prior to the election. Seriously. Executive privelege, presidential vetoes, with one wave of his sceptor, he can do incredible damage to these United States and its citizens. I think he's a dangerous man. I'll throw him out, but July, August, September, October...that's a long time for an arrogant self centered blankblankblank determined to re-create a government away from one of the people, to one of his subjects.
Stoney, Park, Moose...thanks for the comments...its abit of a labyrith negotiating the reading when I am unfamiliar with it. What does it mean for the person without a job and thus, income though? Does he have to pay the tax?
There was a documentary on ABC a fortnight ago, about the American healthcare system and how many people couldn't afford it. They featured a county in Tennessee (Chester?) where queues started forming at 2 am when they heard there was a team of doctors coming to offer free service - the organiser having done it for decades in S America, now convinced his American fellowmen were more in need.
One man had an untreated hernia problem for a decade and was told he needed emergency treatment at the hospital as it was infected and it would turn gangrenous.
His very worried wife convinced him to go despite their fears of the cost, but apparently he left without treatment when he learnt it would cost $20 000 .
I fear healthcare will be a big problem due to the aging population; Japan has the fastest aging demographics in the far east and it's already proving to be a real challenge. Singapore has recently opened up its immigration doors and that, has created alot of social clashes.
This article shows where you can get universal health care, with some surprising results
http://www.kxan.com/dpps/health/healthy_living/where-in-the-world-can-you-get-universal-health-care_4220475
I haven't liked some of our presidents. I've been voting "against" and not "for" for a long time being given such inadequate choices and yet, this is the first time that our president frightens me. I agree; he can do a lot more damage in a few months.
Just keep yourself in balance and all will be good.
"Imbalance?" Story of my life.
IF he isn't voted OUT, think of what the next 4 years will be like.
So much for ever getting another wink of sleep.
p- you got some mojo fo sho, stoney- light up a big Dominican and practice blowing smoke rings. Seems to help. I am dusting off my Dewey button and wondering if tall boys are gonna be outlawed in NYC.
I would be proud if there were 100 posts in the morning but that might be wrong. Barefoot Jerrry had that song Proud to be a Redneck. It seemed right. "I'm proud to be a redneck, but i've changed. We gotta persue it, gotta renew this place. We gotta get back to livin and lovin again."
ChefDeb, my very first thought when I saw the topic for the day was Ain't Too Proud To Beg by the Temptations. I planned to find a link, so thanks Paolo, you were quicker.
Jane: I saw the Temptations live way back when, and David Ruffin was singing lead, and it was one of the best nights of my life, entertainment-wise. I hate to use the word "rock" in this sense, but they rocked. They rocked the house for 3 1/2 hours and it was absolute motown heaven. I'm proud (not arrogant) to say I know most probably every word to every song that great group sang - oh what a night!
Park4, Those were the best years for the Temptations...when David Ruffin was lead singer, but I saw them live in Denver...in 1972 or 1973...and they were still terrific even without him. I think I probably know all the words too. Even if I haven't heard a song in years and it comes on the radio, I can sing right along with it. Never forget those wonderful songs. I think I'll cue up some Temptations right now....I have all their albums, CDs....and even cassettes I haven't been able to throw away.
I waited to be sure it was past Stoney’s bedtime.
This is for you Willie Trask wherever you are.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqIpkMDRjYw
I think we should consider what Mr. Peterman said...then consider some of the prices in his catalog. Are we proud when we purchase something expensive from him. I know I am...so have I sinned by liking something enough to spend lage money on it?
InkyTinky ~ First of all...welcome and then, interesting point.