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Okay, we watch soap operas.

In fact, we’re awash in suds.

Now for those who say, “I never watch the soaps,” keep in mind that most of you are lying to yourself (getting into the lingo) since soap operas today are shown in prime time (even on cable), so you can feel they’re important.

In other words, they’re just packaged differently.

Still, some people find it too embarrassing to tell other people they watch them so they invent ways to make them sound worthy.

“Yes, it’s an essential drama about polygamy. Very educational.”    

"50's advertising was a fascinating period. But do they really need all those sex scenes?"

The reason I got on my little soapbox is, while I have many odd facts at my disposal, I didn't know “As the World Turns” made its debut on this date in 1956.

It's still turning, so someone must be watching.

In fact, it's in the Guinness Book of World Records for the longest uninterrupted performance in a single role. Eileen Fulton has been on the show since 1960 and has been married eight times, divorced three times and widowed four times.

Just thought you'd want to know.

Generally, General Hospital that premiered on national television this week in 1963, is credited for starting the trend of the 'supercouple.'

Think Luke and Laura.

(In case you missed it, 30 million viewers watched them exchange vows November 16, 1981, making the episode the highest-rated hour in American soap opera history.)

Guiding Light,” which started as a radio drama in 1937 and landed on television in 1952, has just been cancelled.

If you’d like to submit an idea for a replacement, you’ll need at least 25 main characters, mixing in evil twins, a good and bad sister, the town “man eater,” the innocent virgin, a couple of hunks with great hair, many doctors, a crazed, alcoholic aunt, an estranged father, some earnest teenagers, and well, you’re on your way to creating your own.

So how did they get to be called "soap operas,” in the first place?

Turns out that the original radio broadcasts all had soap sponsors like Procter and Gamble, Colgate-Palmolive and Lever Brothers.

Okay, now that we can all own up to watching them, we can discuss our favorites. "Big Love?" "Grey's Anatomy?" "Mad Men?" Favorite characters? Or are you just brave enough to admit to some of the daytime dramas that started it all?

J. Peterman

 

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February 22, 2013 1:23 AM
4224 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 RoadYacht said...

We watched at lunch. I seem to rememeber a dog barking game,but it was lunch at school,so it wasn't a drinking game.

February 22, 2013 3:08 AM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 hazel leese said...

Soap - Proctor & Gamble. Did you see the film Four Weddings and a Funeral? The church where the funeral bit took place was once a lone building on desolate marshland. Then industrial development took place and the little church is now dwarfed by a huge Proctor & Gamble factory one side and an enormous power station on the other side. P&G supplied hot air (an industrial waste product) to heat the church, the power station supplied free electricity. It was a grim, bleak landscape. My Dad, the new Vicar of this dismal parish, said "At least we have the cleansing and the power."  I'm lost on the topic of TV soaps as we have different ones this side of the pond. My life is so random that I can't follow a soap, but I know people who organise their mealtimes around the soaps and have lunch and dinner watching the latest episode of whatever chewing gum for brains.

February 22, 2013 9:14 AM
First-com Justmark said...

I am a huge fan of Mad Men. A soap at heart but well wriiten and filmed and the era is fascinating. 

February 22, 2013 9:32 AM
10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-5 Marypjb said...

Mad Men is just too true a reminder of how it was.  Can't watch it.

February 22, 2013 9:34 AM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 hazel leese said...

Hello Justmark~ nice to see a new face in the village.

February 22, 2013 9:34 AM
First-com roux said...

I'm with you, Justmark.  If Mad Men is considered a soap, I freely admit to being totally into it.  As far as daytime soaps, I remember Dark Shadows from my college days in the 60's.  At that time, we did not have TVs in our dorm rooms; there was a large commons area with one TV and we would all gather around and watch Dark Shadows.  It must have been on around 3 or so in the afternoon because I remember rushing back to the dorm after class so I could catch the latest episode.  Wasn't there a recent remake of that?  A movie perhaps?

February 22, 2013 9:48 AM
10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-5 Marypjb said...

Yes, with Johnny Depp.

February 22, 2013 10:18 AM
10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Mooseloop said...

My soapy weakness is Downton Abbey, and I miss it terribly....I want it to go on and on....!

(I tried to watch Mad Med, but found it depressing for it seemed like a parody of the way it was, i.e., too exaggerated of how were were.)

My other confessions of past soaps were "My So Called Life," "Alley McBeal," and....shamed to admit it....those shrewish "Desperate Housewives"!! I followed those,as Hazel says, so that I'd plan around the times they came on the telly.

The only hospital drama I ever followed faithfully was "St. Elsewhere," a truly engrossing medical show. And then there was "Dr. Kildare," but I did not obsess about that one, just caught it sometimes. I have never gotten into "Grey's Anatomy," or the others.

Now, I mostly Roku old BBC shows like "Inspector Morse." I watched all the "Midsomer Murders" and miss that one a lot....I truly liked Barnaby.

Do you think we are drawn to those "soaps" because they remind us of how full of clay our feet are, and because we know someone who has been through those crises, or similar conflicts? Sometimes I think my own life is a soap! Do you?

February 22, 2013 10:41 AM
Img00274-20110613-1309 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-5 l marjorie said...

I was an Another World fan when I was in high school. Then came Days of Our Lives which I will still watch occasionally.  But like Moose says, the best current soap is Downton Abbey.  In fact, a friend of mine posted after last week's finale:  "I couldn't sleep a wink after the last episode.  Too bad Downton is "above" doing what the daytime soaps used to do: get a new actor, and say he had extensive plastic surgery after terrible disfigurement from the awful car wreck?"  Alas too true! RIP dear Matthew!

February 22, 2013 10:44 AM
Img00274-20110613-1309 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-5 l marjorie said...

Back in the day, a group of us would have weekly Dynasty parties. In fact we would tape the spin off The Colbys from Wed night and get together on Thursday evenings to watch that and Dynasty. Such fun!

February 22, 2013 10:49 AM
10041_445991248814972_692962064_n Com-100Com-300First-comHr-1 The Giraffe said...

The Soaps - mindless entertainment which could not be missed, particularly if there was a story line going - General Hospital, Luke and Laura, originally in black and white!!  Those of us who worked, frequently missed the daytime but it wasn't too hard to catch up if someone who was home at 3pm watched it and reported to you and then the VCR arrived saving the day!! 
We are old now , the children are long gone and we are enjoying the primetime series.  Downton Abbey which is so well done but not long enough -  just finished Wallander and Foyles War on Netflex.  Great entertainment for aging brains. 

February 22, 2013 11:03 AM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Carol said...

It's weird, but I remember the soaps of the early 50's that my mom watched.  I remember looking at all those sets and the way the rooms were decorated.  And who can forget the 'swoosh' of the organ music that siganled the beginning or the end?  I remember, too, that they were always serving lamb chops for dinner or roasted chicken......food scenes weren't many, but those dishes were usually on the menu.  I got to see bits and pieces of those right before I left for afternoon Kindergarten.  When color later came to TV and I was late grade school/high school (?) my mother was working, but my sister was a huge fan and the things I remember from that time are the tables of Spode Clipper Ship china, women in nice Chanel style suits and heels, and kitchens decorated in a scheme of blue and yellow.  Memories are weird.........what our brain keeps and what it discards....

February 22, 2013 11:03 AM
4224 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 RoadYacht said...

Doctor Who is my soap opera these days. And by accident I found a Showtime "Soap" called Shameless. William Macey & an ensamble cast. I am fasinated,not having been 'soaped' since All My Children, (memory harvested after driving myself nutz for hours) I'm sure it was that one that had the dog barking sound effect in the background for some scene clue. Anyway, the Soap "Shameless" is gritty,and wildly 'off the wall' with plot twists, but the underlying emotion stirrs feelings deeply rooted in things not usually seen by me on the TeeVee machine. Good watch-riveting

February 22, 2013 11:08 AM
Dsci0939 First-com Londoner in wales said...

hazel where is the church? 

February 22, 2013 11:13 AM
Paolo 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 paolos said...

This is not my last word on this topic.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im0igZyrrIs

 

February 22, 2013 11:14 AM
10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Rusty said...

I remember coming home from school at lunch time, and my mom was listening to "The Guiding Light."  She'd let me talk during commercials, otherwise till it was over I had to be quiet.  Then I'd get a kiss good bye and be off back to school so I don't know if she listened to any other during the day.
 
I did get into "The Good Wife" for a while but now it's on on Sunday and dosen't fit my schedule.  Guess  "Vegas" qualifies, and what about "Blue Bloods?"  

February 22, 2013 11:16 AM
Paolo 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 paolos said...

Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman. Fernwood 2 Night. Soap. Final Answer.

February 22, 2013 11:18 AM
10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Rusty said...

Paolos, the tome has arrived, all 883 pages not counting all that back-of-the-book stuff making total 973.  Maybe I'll get a chance to crack it tomorrow.  Today's schedule is pretty tight.

February 22, 2013 11:27 AM
First-com KPJGO said...

I'm with Marypjb on Mad Men.  Far too realistic to be comfortable to view.  My first husband was an ad man in those days.  Enough said.  Loved Dark Shadows. Night time it was Dallas as a favorite and of course, Mary Hartman.  Thanks Paolos for remembering.  Present day, I can't get enough of Downton Abbey and I agree it is far too short a season.  Love Doc Martin too, even in re-runs.  Thanks to Hulu, it is so easy to go back and pick up early episodes of all these and many other shows.  The DVR is also a present day blessing so that you can record and play whenever without having to change your personal schedule.

February 22, 2013 11:56 AM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 hazel leese said...

Londoner in Wales~ Which church? The one in the Four Weddings and a Funeral is in West Thurrock, Essex, close to the River Thames, a few miles up river from Tilbury. I now live opposite a church that has a clock that chimes every 15 minutes, a full peal of bells that ring out for Saturday weddings, Sunday services, and a single bell that tolls for funerals, deep joy, it's Friday, so this evening there will be two hours of campinology. The bells! The bells! Do you watch Coronation Street Eastenders, Emmerdale? My mother liked to watch Coronation Strret when Ena Sharples and Pat Phoenix were the stars!

February 22, 2013 12:37 PM
4224 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 RoadYacht said...

So? Does it work? Do we buy more soap?

February 22, 2013 1:04 PM
10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-5 Marypjb said...

Downton Abbey!  I watch it on Amazon Instant Video, whenever I like.  (Our one televison is otherwise occupied when it airs.)

February 22, 2013 2:02 PM
13091 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 janej78 said...

Paolo, Mary Hartman, Fernwood and Soap were all hilarious. About 7years  back I was into a BBC soap called Footballers' Wives. It had all the sex, tragedy etc. you could ask for  ....very entertaining. I also watched a very, very funny Mine All Mine...a British series set in Swansea, Wales. That's one I could watch again....very quirky.

February 22, 2013 2:12 PM
Pecos_tommy 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Tommy Typical said...

"As The Eye Winks" - a daytime serial cum nighttime drama about curious travelers in costumes that sometimes resemble Dark Shadows or Twin Peaks characters & who are obsessed with food and drink and nostalgic catalogs. The mysterious J Peterman is seldom seen or heard but always a clear and present tour de force. Compelling indeed and from time to time there have been commercial breaks.

February 22, 2013 2:29 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Carol said...

I didn't watch it until re-reuns, but I think Northern Exposure qualifies.  Lives and foibles of a small group of people living in their small town in Alaska.  That would be my guilty pleasure if it were still on.........

February 22, 2013 2:37 PM
4224 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 RoadYacht said...

Do the weekly cliff hangers count? Flash Gordon?

February 22, 2013 2:38 PM
4224 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 RoadYacht said...

Rockt J.Squirrel?

February 22, 2013 2:39 PM
4224 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 RoadYacht said...

Ralph ans Alice Cramden?

February 22, 2013 2:41 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 hazel leese said...

Do you get "Call The Midwife" over there? It's worth a look at. I also enjoy Doc Marten.

February 22, 2013 4:03 PM
1-dscn1106-4 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 PARK4 said...

It was "All My Children" down at college - we'd race back to the house to watch it, 12 noon.  We loved to hate Erica Cain, and we thought Phil and Tara were just the cutest couple.  And then Erica stole Phil and we liked to hate her even more.....We had a crowd in our t.v. room at the house watching All My Kids, including my then boyfriend-husband-to-be, who's sitting here in the office, saying Phil was an idiot, but Tara was too chunky anyway...........How many years ago was 1968?..............................After college, during the baby and diaper stage, I watched "General Hospital" during her afternoon nap, and you better believe I saw Luke and Laura's wedding.  2:00 pm our time.  I prayed to the Saint of Sleeping Babies to keep mine asleep until 3, after 'the wedding'.... it was great, worth the hype. ...........  Now I try to watch Mad Men, but I liked it best when it was the early days, now in the later sixties, I was there, I remember it too well, and even though MM does a great job of writing and acting I still can't separate myself from the script - and I don't enjoy it as much.  I mean, I AM SALLY.   All her angst is my angst and I don't want to go through it again, it wasn't fun the first time.  

February 22, 2013 4:06 PM
First-comHr-1 TimTam1958 said...

Of course I'll admit it. Since I was going to class & working, I never got on the daytimes, but the 1st Dallas, Beverly Hills 92010, Dynasty, Dynasty II:The Colbys, Melrose Place (the best ever), & the new Dallas (it's great, everybody should try it), & the best of the new ones, Scandal!

February 22, 2013 4:10 PM
1-dscn1106-4 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 PARK4 said...

Jane!  Soap - I forgot about Soap, which I agree was hilarious.  That was one of those laugh till I cry shows.  Who was that guy, Bert?, who thought he could make himself invisible?  And he kept a dummy in the freezer or fridge or something?  Oh that was funny.  And his gangster son?  How could I forget "Soap" - we really enjoyed that one!

February 22, 2013 5:05 PM
4224 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 RoadYacht said...

P4~ Did we go to the same school? That was our lunch watch...but I still remember that dog barking sound effect thing...it was like the "Bob" thing...Newhart? was that a soap?

February 22, 2013 5:30 PM
10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Mooseloop said...

Haze -" Call the Midwife" comes on our PBS (Public Broadcasting-Masterpiece Theater - good stuff), but the men in the house find it too ewwwww, gross, and talking about things they'd rather not know about, much less mention as finding it passing as "entertainment".... I liked Doc Marten a great deal, but lost it when he and the school teacher had a baby without benefit of a wedding....Our series that is available on Roku stopped there!! Are there more? He was weird, but once you understood him, of a good heart.

I think some series appeal to women because we have been through childbirth and the female plumbing issues, and men find that just too "oooky," not entertaining at all. I can understand, as I'd not want to watch a show about testicular issues, oversized prostate problems, and male complications of overzealous circumcisions. There are many good programs that are gender specific....Like, I like the detectives, Rosemary and Thyme, but the man in the house thinks it is silly....there you go!

February 22, 2013 5:35 PM
10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-5 Marypjb said...

Does "Boston Legal" count? 

February 22, 2013 5:39 PM
Stage_2 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 JALOPKIN said...

Shutting down for the weekend and am Wishing all Villagers a Great Weekend !!!!!!!!
 
I Wish You Fond Family, Good Friends, Good Food, Good Wine, and Every Thing That Makes You Happy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Enjoy Yourselves and Relax, and Leave Work and Worry Take Care of Itself ....... Y'all in the Mid-West get ready for another Blast !!!  Be Safe, Be Well, and Stay Warm !!!
 
To the Tribe:   GOOD  SHABBOS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I Wish You All a Sabbath of Peace, of Joy, and of Good Rest !!!!!!!!!
 
"May The Most High, Sourcer of Perfect Peace ...
Grant Peace to Us All, To Israel, and All True Believers ..."
 
HAPPY  PURIM !!!!!!!    CHAG   SAMEACH !!!!!!!!
 
 
May Our Rest Be Pleasing Unto Him Who made the Sabbath For Us .......
 
 
Blessings Upon You All .......
 
 
IVAN
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

February 22, 2013 5:41 PM
10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Mooseloop said...

RY - To answer your question...."Do we buy more soap?"

I'd say, "No," that the sponsor has no bearing on my choice of either show or product.
If I like the show I barely notice who is sponsoring it....If I hate it, I may notice that a certain company sponsored " that dog," but generally, not. I could not tell you who sponsors any of the major shows on TV....I refuse to be brainwashed into that decision. I buy soap only for the specific needs of washing clothes, doing dishes, or for the shower and bathroom, not to support the sponsors!! Funny, that P&G has so many soap brands that some of their actually compete against each other....talk about an octopus of a company. Look at their dozens of products!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Procter_%26_Gamble_brands

February 22, 2013 5:52 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Carol said...

MOOSE--we enjoy Rosemary & Thyme, as well...........yeah, I probably more so than he.

February 22, 2013 6:28 PM
10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Stoney said...


When hospital, convalescent or nursing home patients not thought to be at risk or thought to be out of danger go code blue and flatline, nobody ever reports what was on TV in their rooms at the time.

Thanks Ivan. Now, the weekend can begin.

February 22, 2013 8:47 PM
Paolo 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 paolos said...

Well Stoney it looks like you have done it again, just when we
thought the conversation was out of danger, you've brought it to a dead
stop.  Anything good on TV?

February 22, 2013 8:50 PM
Paolo 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 paolos said...

and just because I didn't do this  :P it doesn't mean I wasn't kidding. Kidding I say. Don't get your shorts in a wad and run off like the rest of 'em.

February 22, 2013 9:06 PM
Pecos_tommy 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Tommy Typical said...

Just got my copy of Wild Company The Untold Story of Banana Republic by founders Mel and Patricia Ziegler and sitting in the train car set piece speed reading between my scenes backstage @ The Music Man. Took off my spats. I'm not used to wearing socks much less spats. Starting out w/$1500. Sounds familiar to me. I love America. It's a big soap opera but it's a fun one.

February 22, 2013 9:19 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-5 George Hall said...

Its late in the day...it is frunny what sticks in your mind. I remember a radio soap called JUST PLAIN BILL. The characters were black. The introductory and and intermission music  was beautiful chord strumming on an acoustic guitar. The show always started with  a loud knock at the door. The female character would go "Who's there?" Old Bill would always answer "Its Bill, baby! Your great big romance  locomotive on the railXrod track of love!!" I thught Bill was pretty cool.

February 22, 2013 9:37 PM
Paolo 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 paolos said...

Mr. Hall ~ I have got to try that one out tonight. I will let you know how it works out. I hope I remember to say "It's Paul, baby" and not "It's Bill, baby" I wouldn't know what to say if she opened the door for Bill.

February 22, 2013 9:38 PM
Photo 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Peter Lake said...

Park,
My favorite Soap episode was when 'Bob the Dummy' passed out face first on a tavern table and they all just staggered out and left him there..... But this was a good scene too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwDbd4jQpkA&feature=youtube_gdata_player

February 22, 2013 10:55 PM
4224 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 RoadYacht said...

Ahhh, Soap...funeeeeeeeeeeee

February 23, 2013 5:01 AM
10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Stoney said...


paolos ~
If there's one thing I hate it's somebody ruining a good threadkill by pointing out the obvious.

George Hall ~
Good radio memories. Not many remember how sweet those days were when you could do just about anything including cut the grass without missing a beat.

February 23, 2013 6:31 PM
1-dscn1106-4 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 PARK4 said...

Chuck and Bob!  OH PL, I just watched that clip- hilarious!  My husband walked by and he's out of control laughing, "I forgot all about Soap!"  He's declared Soap and Barney Miller (werewolf episode) his favorite "soaps" of all time.  I agree!  Thank you peter lake, I've got to go back and watch more.

February 23, 2013 6:37 PM
1-dscn1106-4 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 PARK4 said...

Mr. Typical:  and I shall never ever forgive Mel and Patricia for selling Banana Republic to THE GAP!  I loved BR, The Original - loved the colors and the fabrics and the entire idea of it.  Zeiglers, I'm still mad at them!  But I bet it is a good read - I recall one recounting that had them begin the company with a boatload of shirts with too short sleeves, but Patricia decided that it didn't matter because who wears their sleeves down and cuffs buttoned anyhow?  She was sure right about that, I never have never will, cuffs are meant to be turned up, and that I don't care attitude that goes along with the look.  Anyhow, c'mon Zeiglers, I know you made a fortune, but The GAP?  Oh well, we all survived, and anyhow, along came John Peterman, not a duplicate, a complete original in his own right.......

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