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Cable Clouds

August 26, 2012

I've gone to my farm in Kentucky for the weekend. It's a great place to relax, do a little hard physical labor, and forget about the rest of the world. If you don't have such a place, I highly suggest you get one.

In the meantime, what do you know about data centers?

J. Peterman

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August 26, 2012 12:30 AM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 lotlot said...

I spend some time each day in the "clouds."

It's my quiet time.

My creative time.

Works for me.

August 26, 2012 1:53 AM
4224 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 RoadYacht said...

If 'Data' centers were just creamy nougat,soft caramel,fudge,peanut butter....ahhh, well, the Willie Wonka Data center has a thin, delicious chocolate shell...you could call that architecture, but I'd just call it deeelicious

August 26, 2012 1:57 AM
4224 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 RoadYacht said...

And just make sure you back up every secret password, and know the location of 'cloud'stored 'back-ups'...print them..save them, because when that MONSTER GLITCH HAPPENS (YOU know IT WILL- Mercury Retrograde!)having a paper to go from will be a great hint.  Mine is part of myWill....

August 26, 2012 2:10 AM
4224 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 RoadYacht said...

Seriously, scavenging the heat from a data center, you could make hot water, or in an 'absorbant' refrigeration system (that is one where heat is used to change state in an ammonia refrigeration system)provide some refrigerated storage for essentials, like medicine or food...Really, I study this stuff...there are finite resources,and infinite use of the energy in a cascading series of benefits...THAT is Green Power!!   WE must be the Marshalls of the energy used!!   Everyone, put on your official hat, grab your whistle!! March! DEMAND hot towels in the Club Car, from the energy used to promote consumtion!!  (See what I mean? Nougat!!) ,

August 26, 2012 5:16 AM
Stage_2 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 JALOPKIN said...

What we were told is, "Take Dominion Over The Earth, and Subdue It ..."  
 
The Greenies are being driven by the Wrong Side, telling us that the best way to "Conserve" is NOT to use the things we have been Blessed with ...
 
USING our Blessings Wisely and giving proper Thanks, gives Good Witness to others, and will enable them to follow suit .......
 
Yeah ... I'm off Topic again ... but this "New Format" is more exasperating than the last "New Format" ... and now the Page isn't changing like its sposta ... makes me crazy ...
 
Anyhow, ROADYACHT'S "Scavenging The Heat From a Data Center" set me off ... I am staunchly against waste, at any Level ... but giving oneself over to Apophenia and chasing Boogie Men while Witch-Hunting in the Name of, "GREEN- something or other" is patently aasinine, making Edith Bunker look like a Phd. ....... Like the genius that desided to mandate all that Ralph Nader Plumbing on Automobile Engines ... because we will pollute LESS ... by burning TWICE as much Gasoline ....... WHAT ?!?!?!?!?!?

August 26, 2012 9:33 AM
28471 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Lynn830 said...

I worked for several years in while ago in a building you would call a data center.  Actually, the equipment generated enough heat that we had no heating system for winter.  Just redistributed what we had.  The big problem was cooling everything.  That was done by water with towers out back to spray the water in the air and cool it.  In the long run the biggest problem is that closed cooling systems get infected with anaerobic (don't use oxygen) bacteria that can damage the pipes.  No windows, but still a nice place to work.  Quiet.

August 26, 2012 9:46 AM
10photoviewsCom-100Com-300First-comFirst-photoFirst-review magicangel said...

The show on TV called "Person of Interest" is all about these data centers, interesting. RoadYacht your 2:10 post is interesting, wish I knew more about this stuff!! We have you here in the village to help us along where that is concerned thanks bunches for your mind and know-how. Jalopkin--DITTO!!

August 26, 2012 11:21 AM
The_philosophy_tommy_typical_bookcover 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Tommy Typical said...

We used to tour industrial faciilities as a part of school trips. As with many things some kids live such "sterile" lives that they think meat just happens in packaged form and veggies look like they do in the store at the farm. Likewise they think the "Cloud" is a big etherreal place that holds their cute pics. Being in recycling the number of computers and phones and all the associated crap is overwhelming in our landfills though getting better. Apple and Google make billions and they are lauded. Coal Miners in W VA are uncertain of their future because coal is held in such low esteem. Fact is every industrial and manufacturing process produces by products and all are equally good in what they produce to sell energy or products because the market demands it for a better way of life.  It is not however a good policy to cherry pick what you choose to endorse or condemn based on your political mindset at a point in time. Fact is we need it all and we should work together to produce and deal with the by products efficiently and effectively and profitably allow any changes to be implemented over time with as little impact as possible to the most important aspect of all- PEOPLE and their livelihood and their quality of life, the greatest resource. This can be done.

August 26, 2012 12:02 PM
4224 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 RoadYacht said...

 Far be it from me, to start a 'flap' here, but, like the 'Nader Plumbing', it is/was/ a step. Has anyone had the chance to be next to this generation of Diesel truck lately? You cannot smell it,nor see it, that black soot,acrid smell from that big pipe pointed at your open window in a small car. On busy roadways lined with trees, there was/is that blackened line of truck soot, like a bathtub ring, that is the proud display of commerce. The micro-particles of soot still are emitted, from both cars and trucks (which makes me wonder at the mentality of joggers running  in the parkway, breathing those particles as deep as humanly possible into their drainless lungs-heavy metals and particulate hydrocarbons!!!)but indeed, it is still a long way from the exhaust smoke we saw from internal combustion vehicles of our childhoods....We aren't there yet, by a long stroke, but the day of Hydrogen fueled vehicles approaches, just the big oil companies waiting to figure out how to be the most profitable corporations in the history of the planet,selling water to burn. Hydrolisis, a simple grammer school science experiment, shows how easy seawater is seperated int hydrogen and oxygen, and whenthe two are burned, energy is produced;sootless exhaust,heat (the rapid expansion that does the 'work', and then they combine in the exhaust to again produce condensate=water.We are on the path to cleaner energy, but it is a long road, and the low hanging fruit(oil,coal,woog) is too easily obtainable (well,oil,not so much anymore)in less sophisticated cultures.  They burn camel/cow/oxen dung for cooking fuel and warmth. Eyeww...

August 26, 2012 12:53 PM
Stage_2 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 JALOPKIN said...

Don't know what to think, ROADY ....... All every Bio-Diesel Bus I've been around in the last twenty years smelled like, KFC .......

August 26, 2012 1:58 PM
4224 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 RoadYacht said...

Ain't merely bio diesel, Ivan, it is that catalytic converter, and the 'special urea' injection system....and they're quiet,too! Science has moved on. Automobiles routinely go 100,000 miles with out changing spark plugs, and to an old mechanic, that is hardly possible! And 30-40 miles per gallon is routinely achieved, and not just going down hill, like the old days. Face it, science has replaced the buggy whip....

August 26, 2012 2:00 PM
4224 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 RoadYacht said...

But there is no replacing slow cooked briskett over wood....MMMM good

August 26, 2012 3:37 PM
4244 Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 ChefDeb said...

Very interesting conversation Gentlemen, although way out of my parvenu. Hope everyone is having a well fed pleasant Sunday. Brisket is always a good way to get my attention--especially as a sandwich fiilled with pickle chips.

Today's topic was informative for me as I h ave never given one moments thought to where "cyberspace" actually is. I used to make jokes about the tv & phone being "magic." Occasionally I would ask "How does the phone know its number" but I would stop anyone who tried to tell me.

It brings to mind what my father used to say about the office buildings he designed, mostly in NYC. He said that they essentially were all paper factories and one of his most important jobs as architect was to facilitate the arrival of it in its many forms and more important, the disposal of it. No matter what the building looked like or where it was located this had to be accomplished. Once the incinerators were banned it became even more complicated.

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August 26, 2012 5:43 PM
The_philosophy_tommy_typical_bookcover 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Tommy Typical said...

A cold watermelon salad with bitter greens to balance the sweetness and a balsamic vinegar based dressing opened up for my brunch fare at Cha Cha's today followed by bacon gravy and little biscuits and potato hash with onions & chickpeas. The Bloody Mary had zing by golly with spicy barbecue sauce added for a southern twist. KY-The Retro Smoking Car next to the Club Car is open now with a fine selection of Turkish Blends and Stogies from Havana along with the trained monkey that can strike wooden matches. And the Single Malt Scotch and Small Batch Bourbon selections Superb. Politics revolve around the nonsensical Prohibition era and how Cuba was a grand island before Castro.

August 26, 2012 6:20 PM
270752_10150312062190804_7175723_n 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300First-comFirst-photoHr-1 Graygoose said...

I wish I had something to contribute to this conversation as well, but, like you Chefdeb, I've not given the subject much thought. Although, I did find that there are many recipes stored away in "the clouds". I only wish I'd found a good one for home made spaghetti sauce. I've spent the entire day in the kitchen, blanching tomatos, chopping herbs and vegetables, stirring and simmering and sterilizing. I had 40 plus pounds of tomatoes and I have ended up with 2 big pots full of sauce. I really wish I'd thought to ask you first, Deb...Are there any secret ingredients to good sauce that I could have left out? I haven't gotten it in the jars yet...

August 26, 2012 6:31 PM
The_philosophy_tommy_typical_bookcover 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Tommy Typical said...

As to good and evil. Right and wrong. Electrons flowing through man made conduits are used to light the bedroom where Mother Teresa prays for the poor as well as provide the power to the electric chair to execute the mass murderer. The electrons are neutral to human utilization. They just flow freely, instinctively like the lion not aware that they are deadly. They do what they do. The data centers like power plants will be the target of terrorism and sophisticated financial criminal hackers. Blackmail will be instigated from remote locations and the innocent electron like Switzerland can not remain neutral and the more dependent we become the higher the price we will have to pay. Right Mr. Vonnegut?

August 26, 2012 6:58 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 hazel leese said...

Chefdeb~ Your 'How does the telephone know its number?' has always mystified me.
The roadside aroma of KFC, dear Ivan, is due to people using cooking oil as a cheaper alternative to diesel. Hopefully, it is less damaging to the infants being pushed along the sidewalks in their tractor sized buggies with their little noses just at exhaust pipe level.
The Cloud I will leave to the computer geeks, in the same way that I leave car maintenance to mechanics. If you have a dog, you don't need to bark.

August 26, 2012 7:23 PM
Paolo 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 paolos said...

Cloud is just another sugar coated newspeak for tangled web of cable.  They should call it the Tower of Cable because when it comes tumbling down it will make the aftermath of the tower of babel look like child's play. I'm no prophet of doom...oh hell, yes I am.  Not in my lifetime but when the raven roars in the midnight courtyard, the stallion will rear its ugly nostrils.  Eat your heart out Nostradamus.   Miss Hazel, I don't knowabout the digital age, but in the old days the telephone learned its number by rote. And speaking of Mmmmmmmm, where is Miss Bebe? and her sidekick Miss CounterPark?

August 26, 2012 7:27 PM
1521 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-5 Shandonista said...

Hey y'all,
 
Just stopped into make sure that Ivan was being contrary......if not, I'd a' hadda come over there and take some action!
 
A pal of mine uses this motto - Waste is a Choice.  And it really is - look at how European countries are mandating that every part must be recyclable.  With the global population skyrocketing, we really have no choice. 
 
Peace out!

August 26, 2012 7:40 PM
Paolo 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 paolos said...

Tommy My all time favorite tour was a steel mill in Middletown Ohio. Nothing could fire the imagination of a young lad better than watching molten steel being poured into girders and beams.  Then watching  a little speck of a man atop a huge crane playing pick up sticks with I beams and the mill workers in hard hats and goggles down below with hooks helping to orchstrate the movement of  these beasts onto a flatbed.  I can still see the molten blaze burning and still wonder who these minions of hell were that could spend their lives working in that blazing cavern. 

August 26, 2012 7:55 PM
Com-100Com-300Com-500First-comHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 hazel leese said...

In the old days, paolos, telephones could learn by rote because they had rotary dials. The world has not been the same since the advent of all these digital  doo-dahs.
Duvet time in Wales. Nos da, dear people, x.

August 26, 2012 9:07 PM
4224 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 RoadYacht said...

I have ten digits, and so does my phone. I love to look at fluffy clouds in a clear blue sky. There will always be clouds.

August 26, 2012 9:19 PM
The_philosophy_tommy_typical_bookcover 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Tommy Typical said...

p- I love those murals where muscular workers would be pounding iron and bringing hot steel out of the furnace. There is I believe a mural at the St Louis Arch that shows the pioneers in that same theme as if those who paid with sweat and blood were almost superhuman. They were. My grandfather and his coal miner co-workers had hands with fingers that could crush your hand when they shook it and yet they would give you the shirt off their back if you needed a hand. The cloud needs to be filled with the stories of men and women who cut the mustard and whose friendship wasn't about checking a social network box but instead had your back through thick and thin. That's why I stay at the EYE. We are onto something here and we must continue on. The clothing is Mr. P's way of saying some things never ever go out of style.

August 26, 2012 9:24 PM
4224 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 RoadYacht said...

Tommy~should you ever need bail money, just call me...or, even better, we'll be sitting,side by side, on that hard oak bench ,waiting for the chastisement of the Duty Officer, as we laugh once again at the antics we should have known better than.....

August 27, 2012 6:10 AM
Stage_2 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 JALOPKIN said...

GOTTIT  MISS HAZEL !!!!!!!
 
MISS SHANDONISTA:    Good seeing you in here again !!!
I would welcome some assistance at Contrariness ... I feel Guilty when I'm having all the Fun !!!   Don't Stay Away So Long !!!!!!!
 
MISS MAGICANGEL:   Great  Minds !!!

August 27, 2012 8:32 AM
The_philosophy_tommy_typical_bookcover 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Tommy Typical said...

Hey you. get off of my cloud. You made your gizmo look like mine. tick tock tick tock legal fees galore.. Bad boy Sammy Sung. you give Macky boy back his billion dollars. He needs it. Now we get to look at goofy reporters with their hair blowing trying to tell people how to reason with hurrican season. You know I love flying and when the jet airliner bursts through the layer of clouds that helps us realize the beauty of this big old green blue wet pond we live on.  

August 27, 2012 10:25 AM
Paolo 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-reviewFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 paolos said...

Tommy These are the murals that were once at the Cincinnati
Union Terminal and are now on display at the Airport terminal.

Next time you fly through CVG, have a look.

 

 

 

http://www.cvgairport.com/about/art/index.html

 

 

 

 

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Very interesting conversation Gentlemen, although way out of my parvenu. Hope everyone is having...

-ChefDeb

Aug. 26, 2012 3:37 PM

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