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Today is Veterans Day. If you're part of the first wave of Baby Boomers, you remember when it used to be called Armistice Day. Because it was first celebrated in Europe to mark the ending of World War I.

And since the Armistice was signed in the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month, traffic comes to a stop all over England and France at precisely that moment. And people come out of their homes to witness a ceremonial two minutes of silence.

Pretty inspiring stuff.

In the U.S., the unofficial holiday started in 1919 to remember those over here who went "over there" and never came back. In 1938, it became a legal federal holiday, "a day to be dedicated to the cause of world peace and to be thereafter celebrated and known as Armistice Day."

Then, in 1953, along came store owner and veteran in Emporia, Kansas, Al King, who decided the day should be set aside to remember all veterans, living and dead. With the help of Congressman Ed Rees, it became law, signed by President Eisenhower a year later and Armistice Day became Veterans Day.

Not just for the veterans that fought in war but for those that served this country in any capacity.

It's a holiday that still remember its origins.

Today, at exactly 11 a.m. EST, a color guard, made up of members from each of the military branches, honors America's war dead during a ceremony at the Tomb of the Unknowns in Arlington National Cemetery.

Bunker Hill. Gettysburg. Verdun. Iwo Jima. Bastogne. Inchon. Tet. Anywhere members of the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, and Coast Guard have made the supreme sacrifice.

While, at the same time, we recognize the sacrifices and dedication of all surviving military and retired veterans.

It's also the day we might want to remember those fighting in the deserts of Iraq and mountains of Afghanistan and wish them safe passage.

Writer Cynthia Ozick said, "We often take for granted the very things that most deserve our gratitude." 

Simply stated: Freedom and those who protect it.

Let's not forget them today. Or any day.

J. Peterman

 

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November 11, 2008 12:16 AM
519 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 DreadPirateRoberts said...

I have seen three Tombs of the Unknowns; the British one at Westminster Abbey, the French one at the Arch de Triomphe, and the U.S. one at Arlington.  This is not mere patriotism, but I honestly do find ours to be the most moving, the most filled with quietly majestic solemnity.  Awareness that the guard of this tomb gives up leave time for the honor and priviledge of serving in that capacity adds to my fondness for it.


My wife and I were recently talking about the 1993 movie, Gettysburg.  She had just seen it for the first time and was talking about how she had been unaware just how many were killed in that one battle.  I asked her if she'd ever been to the site and she said no.  I tried to describe to her the feeling one gets from the rows and rows and columns and columns of graves, each and all marked, "unknown", "unknown", "unknown", "unknown", "unknown".  It seems to me like these people lost more than just their lives that day.


Many of us have mentioned this before but, while it's on my mind, I want to thank ExPat (whose contribution to today's topic I eagerly await) for his service and that of so many in his family.  We're all proud of you.

November 11, 2008 12:25 AM
1058 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Olivia said...

Is cuimhin na feanna fail...


Bit of the Irish for the heroes.

November 11, 2008 12:29 AM
1058 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Olivia said...

That would be fianna fail...&$%@# typos, and no fada neither.

November 11, 2008 6:42 AM
1046 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Willie Trask said...

Good morning, all.

 

I have nothing to add just yet, but hope that each of you can enjoy this day and savor all that its heroes have given us. 

November 11, 2008 9:02 AM
10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Kindlee said...

I'm off to our County Courthouse for Veteran's Day observances. It seems wrong that my local schools and neighbors, in civilian jobs, had yesterday off (Monday Holiday Act) and that there will probably be very few people in attendance today.


Thank you to all of our veterans and those who now serve.

November 11, 2008 9:11 AM
Com-100First-comHr-1 belleball said...

I was introduced to this day as Armistice Day - and had uncles who fought in The Great War - and among the first poems I learned was this:

In Flanders Fields the poppies blow between the crosses row on row that mark our place;

And in the sky, the larks still bravely singing, fly scarce heard amid the guns below.

We are the Dead.  Short days ago we lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,

Loved and were loved, and now we lie in Flanders Fields.

Take up our quarrel with the foe: to you from failing hands we throw the torch;

Be yours to hold it high.  If ye break faith with those who die we shall not sleep,

Though poppies grow in Flanders Fields.

 - by Lt Col. John McCrae M.D.  Canadian Army written in 1915

November 11, 2008 9:50 AM
293 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-5 rings90 said...

I was 12 when we took our first trip to Washington D.C. to see some family living out there. Being that I LOVE history this trip was something I was greatly looking forward to.What I was not prepared for & knew very little about was actually the changing of the Guard at the Tomb of the Unknowns.  It was one of the most chilling & Patriotic displays of respect that I have ever seen. Out of the whole trip there were 2 things that I have ALWAYS wanted to get back to experience again, The Changing of the Guard at the Tomb & Monticello.


Fast forward abut 18 years later & I went with my girlfriend & her sons aged 3 & 5 at the time back out there. Their father wasin the first wave of Troops out of WI sent to Iraq. He had been home for about 10 months when we took the trip. the first thing we did ws take the kids to watch the changing of the Guard at the Tomb. I have NEVER seen such young kids keep quiet for that long.  I think it was a combination of knowing that their father was millitary like the Guards & the checking of the gun that interested them the most. For me it was just as chilling as when I first saw it 18 years earlier.  We later saw the Guard that was relieved from duty walking through Arlington the 3 year old yelled out Hi Mister & he looked over smiled & said in the squeakish voice (I ever heard) hi back. The 5 year old wnated to know more about gun & uniform & why they carry it. This young Guardsman took the time to explain everything & the boys said, Thankyou our dad was in Iraq & has a different uniform.  This young man looked at my GF & said Thank you & then turned & walked away.         

November 11, 2008 9:53 AM
293 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-5 rings90 said...

Nachista ~ Please Thank Sir Boyscout, his unit & the whole base for us all today...


Expat ~ Thank You


To the rest of our service men on the PE TAHNK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU....


Because of your dedication & lifestyle choices I am able to enjoy the freedoms granted to me while in this country.


   

November 11, 2008 10:55 AM
293 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-5 rings90 said...

DPR ~ When in Moscow we also had the chance to visit their Unknowns Tomb. What a dissapointmnet. The Guards were standing there in wrinkled uniforms, clowning around while smoking cigarettes. There was no respect what so ever towards the bones of those who had fallen & are now unaccounted for out of the population. It really was a sad sight to see.

November 11, 2008 10:58 AM
724 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300First-comFirst-photoHr-1 Capt Neptune said...

Greetings:  My Dad was First Lieutenant in the 489th Bomb Group, 8th Air Force in WWII.  He was Pilot of the B24 known as Rebel Gal.  He was the recipient of the Distinguished Flying Cross and the Air Medal with several Clusters.  He was and is my hero.  He was and is a Cowboy.  He left me almost 4 years ago.  He is missed.  I wish he could see my two boys and see himself in them.  The circle of life.  I was able to spend constant time with him in my teenage years.  He took me along to his work in Puerto Rico for three months every summer because he new I liked that part of the world.  That is why I spend as much time as the clock allows with my boys.  I know how much it will mean to them later.


Bless the Veterans.  Thank you from the depths of my soul.  We are here because of what you have done.  ExPat,  thanks mate.

November 11, 2008 11:07 AM
1058 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Olivia said...

Pam-I know just what you mean. But, I also know YOU, at least a little bit, and I know you'd never be mean. Same with me. If anyone ever thinks I'm being ugly then I've not been clear or I've been misunderstood, cos I'm just not that way. That's one of the wonderful things about this forum, is that everyone is so nice.

November 11, 2008 11:08 AM
1058 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Olivia said...

Oops-that post was for yesterday. Also, welcome jcgreg!

November 11, 2008 11:21 AM
519 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 DreadPirateRoberts said...

I am feeling very contrite today.  I thanked ExPat and completely forgot to mention Nachista's Sir Boyscout.  My dear, please know it was pure clumsiness on my part; there was no deliberate snub nor disrespect intended.


And now, I see that there are many more of us whose families have served.  Permit me to add my father, PFC USA Hon Disc, and my uncle, the retired colonel.  Both are gone now, happily in their beds, but are both missed nevertheless.


Best wishes to all.

November 11, 2008 12:41 PM
141 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Peter Lake said...

Veteran's Day is an acknowledgement of a debt that can never adequately be repaid. It's a debt that grows steeper with each passing day. Bless them all for all they have done.

November 11, 2008 12:54 PM
10photoviewsFirst-comFirst-photo lowcountrypen said...

Sometimes when I am driving here in South Carolina, I will see a license plate that says WWII vet. I am always interested to see if the Veteran is still driving. Nosy curiosity, I guess I still expect to see some reminder of my father who was in the OSS. If asked what he did during the war he always answered he gave typing tests. After he passed away we found all sorts of odd bayonettes, his service 45 and minox camera equipment. I wish he had felt free enough to talk about his service, but for his generation a promise to remain quiet about a subject was kept. Thank you to all the brave service men and women, past and present. We are in your debt.

November 11, 2008 1:18 PM
10photoviewsFirst-comFirst-photo Sea Island Lady II said...

Veteran's Day is a day of celebration in memory of all the divisions of military service; my father was a Navy Veteran from Brooklyn, N.Y., air pilot trained, and chef in the Navy, too.My daughter recieved from JROTC, National Sojourners Award for Americanism, when she was 16. The other daughter is a Red Cross Lifesaving Lifeguard who has saved lives. Lastly today, I attended my hometown Veteran's Day Parade where my son played the saxophone for his high school band. Veteran's supported my majorette and band troop in my hometown; we are a grand community. I watched the Washington D.C. Veterans Day Ceremony on television. It is an emotional day of important memories. I lived in Beaufort, South Carolina for many years and always enjoyed the Veteran's Day Ceremony. United States of America is proud of their servicemen/women.

November 11, 2008 1:42 PM
790 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-5 MissIve said...

When we were in Chicago, we met a ton of interesting people. That's usually specifically what I hunt for. And I'm very efficient. You might even call me a profile snob. 

On our way out on the town Friday night, we stopped to talk with three young men in the opulent lobby of our hotel, The Palmer House. They wanted to know what we were filming. We talked to them and tried to guess what they were doing, too, with their jeans, sportcoats and matching laptops. Very handsome men. Students from Harvard, it turns out. One of them was wearing a large class ring. Very nice and very funny (and now all have J. Peterman.com bookmarked on their matching laptops), but this profile snob found it hard to believe there could be an interesting story amongst them. So we moved on.  After I cleaned all the wasabi peas out of their bar mix, of course.

At 2am, my sister and I got separated from the group upon returning to the hotel, after stopping off for a bottle of Nestle Quick, of course. We pressed the button for the 21st floor and turned to see Harvard number 2 passed out on the lobby couch.

Me: Hey Harvard, something got you down? (Serious giggles from the stumbling sisters)

Harvard: (slow side grin, eyes still shut) The Larks!

Sisters: Can we help you to your room?

Harvard: Suuuuure

In the elevator, one of us on each arm trying to keep him standing, the image of two wine-drenched girls and a barely standing man between us was, well, memorable.

Jaime: Nice arms, Harvard. Heavy books?

Me: (Just noticing. Honest) Oh my God. They're like rocks. You know (to sister) if two boys were saying this to a girl in an elevator whilst holding her errect, I think they would call it 'groping.'

Sister: You're right. They would. (Giggles) 

Harvard: What are you girls doing tonight?

Sisters: We're married, Harvard.

Harvard: Too bad, I'd have shown you a hellofa (slurred into one word) good time.

Sisters: (Attempting to surpress giggles so as not to offend the man who could not even get his neck to the standing position) Yes, Harvard. Too bad.  

We couldn't lug him past his floor lobby, so sister left me to stand guard of limp Harvard in lobby chair while she went to find some help.  Just after she walked away, his head rolled backward and exposed an almost two-inch, very fresh scar on his neck. Normally, even I would not have asked, but it shocked me.

Harvard: (touching it with his ringed-hand) Oh. Got it in Iraq. He smashed every bone in this side of my face (moving his hand to his left eye) and then cut my throat. 

And then he just kept describing it. In detail. People always say they want veterans to tell their stories. I've said that, too. But honestly, I had to keep myself from putting both of my hands over his mouth to stop him. He just kept describing it. 

Me: (Not knowing what to say) Your parents are probably so glad to have you home.

Harvard: My mother raised us and she died of breast cancer just before I went over. I take care of my brother. He's over there now.

Jaime came back around the corner then. I looked at the 'gaudy ring' that had made me decide just hours before that this man 'couldn't have a good story' and saw that it was not a Harvard ring.

It was his service ring. It was special forces. Can't remember. Jaime will remember.

I'm such a spoiled little shit sometimes.

Today, I'd like to publicly apologize to Harvard. And to Harvard's brother who's still there. And to anyone else I've made up my mind too quickly about. Which is just about everyone.

November 11, 2008 2:12 PM
1058 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Olivia said...

Missy-Join the club, honey...


Hugs-Olivia

November 11, 2008 3:21 PM
First-com Intuit said...

 The Response

The inspiration for McCrae's  famous poem had been the death of a fellow officer, Lt Alexis Helmer, of the 1st Brigade Canadian Field Artillery on 2 May 1915, during the Second Battle of Ypres, in western Belgium, for whom McCrae had performed the burial service.

McCrae's verses, which he had scribbled in pencil on a page torn from his despatch book, were sent anonymously by a fellow officer to the English magazine, Punch, which published them under the title 'In Flanders Fields' on 8 December 1915.

Three years later, McCrae himself died of pneumonia at Wimereux near Boulogne, France, on 28 January 1918. On his deathbed, McCrae reportedly lay down the challenge:

"Tell them this, if ye break faith with us who die,  we shall not sleep."

Among the many people moved by McCrae's poem was a YMCA canteen worker in New York, Moina Michael (1869-1944).  Two days before the Armistice was signed on 11 November 1918, she wrote a reply to McCrae's poem.

We Shall Keep the Faith"

Oh! You who sleep in Flanders Fields,
Sleep sweet-to rise anew!
We caught the torch you threw
And holding high, we keep the Faith
With all who died.

We cherish, too, the poppy red
That grows on fields where valour led;
It seems to signal to the skies
That blood of heroes never dies,
But lends a lustre to the red
Of the flower that blooms above the dead
In Flanders Fields.

And now the Torch and Poppy red
We wear in honour of our dead.
Fear not that ye have died for naught;
We'll teach the lesson that ye wrought
In Flanders Fields.

Michael also originated the idea of the red poppy as a symbol of remembrance.

This day is special, the 90th anniversary of the end of the Great War. Those who ignore the costly lessons of long ago believe the past is somehow de-coupled from the present.

Not!

 


 

November 11, 2008 4:20 PM
1058 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Olivia said...

I forgot to translate my Irish:


I remember the warriors of destiny.

November 11, 2008 4:26 PM
790 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-5 MissIve said...

Olivia,

Now you know you have to come next time. Keep me in line. Love the Irish.

M.I.

November 11, 2008 5:36 PM
1046 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Willie Trask said...

Hey Lowcountry Pen,

My father claimed to be in charge of typists, too, but I suspect he was telling the truth. The way he told it, he went out to Fort Jackson ( yes, in Columbia) and tried to enlist. being told he was 5 pounds underweight, he went and bought ten pounds of bananas and ate them all. Then, when he got through some preliminaries, he was asked if he could type. He said "no" and was placed in charge of those who could.  He eventually went to OCS and earned 4 overseas stripes. He was in the Quartermaster Corps and went all over the place.

 

That is all I know. Before they were called "The Greatest Generation" most of those guys were known as members of The Silent Generation, because they never seemed to talk about it.  I worked for a guy who told me a couple of stories, but mosty about people we both knew.
 

My father's sister married a  pilot and she told me that he had landed a plane one time with a hole in the back big enough to climb in and out of, but he didn't talk about things much, either.

 

Maybe the remaining ones will loosen their tongues a little now, knowing that so many have gone. If any PE folks know WWII vets, I can think of no better way to spend a few days than poking and prodding them to share some of that lore.  If anybody has stories to share already, let's hear them, please.

wt 

November 11, 2008 6:23 PM
10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Kindlee said...

Capt Neptune,


I think your boys are very fortunate for all the time you spend with them, the stories you must tell them about your father, and all the memories you are creating together.


My father was in the 445th Bomb Group, 8th Air Force, a tail gunner on a B-24 named "TENOVUS" and stationed at Tibenham Air Base, near Norwich, England. One of the stories my dad told me was how he had always wanted to be a pilot. He volunteered with that goal in mind. (He even joked about receiving his draft papers after he had already flown several missions in the ETO.) But, life being what it is, things didn't work out the way he hoped.


After he died, I found the following poem in his papers. It was hand-written, by him, on a half-sheet of paper, folded several times, but kept all these years. I don't think the poem is original to him. If you don't mind, I thought I'd share...


Jan. 5, 1943


7:30pm, Tuesday


A.A.F. Flexible Gunnery School


Fort Meyers, Florida


Song of the Gunners


I wished to be a pilot and you along with me,


But if we all were pilots, where would the Air Force be?


It takes guts to be a gunner, to sit out on the tail,


When the Messerschmitts are coming and the slugs begin to wail.


The pilot's just the chauffeur; it's his job to fly the plane,


But it's we who do the fighting, though we may not get the fame.


If we must all be gunners, then let us make this bet:


We'll be the best damned gunners that have left this station yet!


During his 15th mission, over Tutow, Germany, a Messerschmitt (ME-109) hit him in the back with a 13mm machine gun bullet. The freezing conditions inside the aircraft, at high altitude, actually kept him from bleeding to death. He lost a kidney, but survived. He was reassigned to the 491st Bomb Group, to finish a total of 30 missions. In all, he received the Silver Star, Distinguished Flying Cross, Air Medal, and Purple Heart. He, too, was and still is my hero.

November 11, 2008 6:28 PM
10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Kindlee said...

MissIve,


It really is alright. Most importantly, I think, is that you listened to him when he wanted to talk. My son still won't discuss his experience in Iraq but, I hope he knows if he ever does want to, I will listen, too.


Today, I inadvertently made an elderly veteran (a very lovely old gentleman) cry. It was after the ceremony at the Courthouse. Of course, there were smiles and handshakes all around and I had thanked him for serving. We traded stories: he had been a pilot in WWII and Korea and I told him about my son and daughter-in-law in the Marines, my husband in the Navy, and my father in WWII. It turns out that this man was a B-24 pilot who had been stationed in England and when he found out that my father was a tail gunner, also on a B-24 stationed in England, he recounted the experience of the death of one of his tail gunners. (I will not go into the details) He cried at the loss as if it had just happened. He still felt such remorse over the fact that he wasn't able to bring one of his crew home safely. Then he said I was fortunate that my father survived; not many tail gunners did. By that time, I was in tears, too. I apologized for causing him to remember something so painful. He replied that it wasn't my fault. It was war and war was a horrible business.  


Our veterans are our heroes, no matter what job they had, or whether it was during war or peacetime. Some of them stand amongst us with scars, we have no concept of, that for them will always linger. I think that the greatest form of respect we can give them is to never, ever forget what they've given and what they endure to this day.

November 11, 2008 6:42 PM
1058 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Olivia said...

Missy-Wild horses couldn't keep me away. Time and place, babygirl-time and place...

November 11, 2008 6:46 PM
1058 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Olivia said...

Thanks be to those who guard our freedoms, closely guard them against all perfidy.


Guide our destiny, that we might shape it well for those who follow after


And burnish it to be the light of the world. For a season it were dim'd,


But now perchance rekindled anew. And anew the doughty deeds be limned


Each year upon the memorial wall. So mark we well the ones who fall


In service to the rare ideal. To yet recall that sacrifice, and make the day


The bargain's seal, that those who gave up all for us, known or no, shall never fade


From the house of our memory. They, for us, from low to high, the greatest gift of all were made.


My poor gift...

November 11, 2008 8:00 PM
519 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 DreadPirateRoberts said...

A few days ago, I told a story about what the actor, Leslie Howard, did for a friend.  Let me mention him again in today's context:


Leslie Howard served in the British military during World War I and was severely shellshocked in 1917.  His doctors recommended that he studied acting as a form of therapy.  As is now well known, he became a star of both stage and screen (though it would be over a decade before he made his first movie).


In spite of his many great performances in films such as The Scarlet Pimpernel and Of Human Bondage, Howard is undoubtedly most famous for one of the few roles for which he was clearly miscast, that of Ashley Wilkes in Gone With the Wind.  While the film was shooting, storm clouds of World War II were gathering over Europe.  Howard did not like doing the film and never went to see it after its release.  Some have said that he felt too close to the character.  Both Howard and Wilkes were very patriotic men who feared they would lose the coming war.


During the war, Howard worked on many morale-boosting entertainments and documentaries as well as travelling on various "entertainer goodwill" tours.  But he was also on active duty as an intelligence officer and that was his mission one fateful night in Lisbon in 1943.  On the way back from Lisbon, his plane was shot down over the Bay of Biscay.  It is believed in some quarters that the Germans knew Howard to be on board and deliberately targeted him.


Here was a man who would never have been famous had he not been so emotionally scarred in one war, became known for playing a man who lost an older war, and ultimately gave his life in yet another war.  Wherever he is, may he know his efforts were not in vain and that the art that nursed him back to health has served as an inspiration to countless others.

November 11, 2008 8:04 PM
10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Kindlee said...

Olivia, and all,


Great is the gift of remembrance.

November 11, 2008 8:16 PM
First-com turnip said...

As a little guy ( cub scout ) I use to march in a small rural town parade. I recall the marching was grand stuff, I felt important, we would all congregate at the local church, the volunteer firemen would block traffic and we would march 1/2 mile to the local town memorials. I can't remember the speeches, but I do remember our town's people taking the time to remember our veterans.

I use to think we were remembering the fallen hero's, but a few more years passed and soon I was looking at my name, carved onto a Vietnam memorial.

Now I know, this was all about remembering town people, yes some who gave their lives and some who gave their of themselves in service ...

I'd like to take a moment in in writing remember my father, my hero and some of my "always faithful" brothers ...

November 11, 2008 9:00 PM
141 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Peter Lake said...

It is never too late to ask what we can do for them, they who made so many sacrifices for us. I do hope the new administration takes better care of our soldiers upon their return, those very courageous men and women.

November 11, 2008 9:12 PM
First-com TetVet68 said...

America's oldest living Medal of Honor recipient, living his 100th year is former enlisted Aviation Chief Ordnanceman (ACOM), later wartime commissioned Lieutenant John W. Finn, USN (Ret.). He is also the last surviving Medal of Honor, "The Day of Infamy", Japanese Attack on the Hawaiian Islands, Naval Air Station, Kaneohe Bay, Oahu, Territory of Hawaii, 7 December 1941.

'Navy Centenarian Sailor', 103 year old, former enlisted Aviation Chief Radioman (ACRM, Combat Aircrewman), later wartime commissioned Chief Warrant Officer Julio 'Jay' Ereneta, U. S. Navy (Ret.) is a thirty year career veteran of World War One and World War Two. He first flew aircrewman in August 1922; flew rearseat radioman/gunner in the 1920s/1930s air squadrons of the Navy's first aircraft carriers, USS LANGLEY (CV-1) and USS LEXINGTON (CV-2).

Visit my photo album tribute to these veteran shipmates:

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San Diego, California

November 11, 2008 9:34 PM
10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Kindlee said...

Goodnight everyone. Leave a light in the window.


Taps


Fading light dims the sight
And a star gems the sky, gleaming bright
From afar drawing nigh,
Falls the night.

Day is done, gone the sun
From the hills, from the lake, from the sky
All is well, safely rest;
God is nigh.

Then goodnight, peaceful night;
Till the light of the dawn shineth bright.
God is near, do not fear,
Friend, goodnight.

November 11, 2008 9:57 PM
1626 First-com Celt said...

Just sitting here trying to keep the tears off the keyboard and knew it was time to get registered and participate with you great people.  And thanks to Capt Neptune for inviting me in.


My dad was a member of the 116th Infantry Regiment of the 29th Infantry Division that landed on Omaha beach on D-Day.  He was a staff sergeant in Headquarters Co. and landed in the second wave carrying a flame thrower.  They came in right behind A Co. out of Bedford, VA. (his unit was from nearby Roanoke, VA.)  As you all probably know, Bedford was noted for losing the most men in Normandy on D-Day, at nineteen.


He and my mother had married on May 18th (Mom is an English war-bride) and they did not see each other again until he got leave in November, and then went back to the continent until the end of the war.  Some of my most cherished possessions are his knapsack that he wore from D-Day on (in which I used to carry my books to school from the 1st grade on) and a collection of medals and ribbons from a Luftwaffe colonel whom he captured, as well as a very ornate Nazi flag.  He won a Bronze Star, was awarded the Croix de Guerre twice, and his company was one of the few that I have ever heard of being awarded A Presidential Unit Citation twice.  He was wounded three times, but never submitted for a Purple Heart.


He then served as a field artillery battery commander in Korea.  I have some really great slides that he took there - Heartbreak Ridge, the Punchbowl, etc.


He and mother met in Plymouth (her hometown)in a shelter during an air raid.  Her family was bombed out of two houses during the Blizt, and she can tell some really great war stories herself.  She lives in Beford even now (I took her out to lunch yestereday) but lost dad in 1983.


If you are lucky enough to have any of these folks in your family, ask them all the questions you can, and record the answers.  Your descendants will thank you.


This is my first post ever to a blog, so give me plenty of slack until I learn the protocol.

November 11, 2008 10:07 PM
519 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 DreadPirateRoberts said...

Welcome, Celt, and all our new contributors.  There have been some great stories here today.


As our dear Missive has learned, there is no such thing as a person without an interesting story.  Some may be better at telling them than others, some may be more willing to share them than others, but we all have them.

November 11, 2008 10:09 PM
293 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-5 rings90 said...

Miss Ive ~ The service Ring was Special Forces he's an Army Ranger..... he said what it was for in the first meeting that evening. (I think you & Sis were picking on Jeans man at the time)  I asked if he was a Beret when he first flashed it & he said no close. So the only other Special forces I knew of was the rangers. He just smiled & gave a small nod...


 


  

November 11, 2008 10:39 PM
1627 First-comHr-1 CptMatt said...

I'm going to remember Armistice Day by remembering my Dad. He passed away 4 years ago and I still miss him terribly. He was a veteran of Korea and served aboard the USS Jason as a machinist mate. About a year before he passed, I got a Navy ship cap made for him for the Jason. I'll wear it all day.

November 11, 2008 10:58 PM
1626 First-com Celt said...

Capt Neptune,


Just googled Rebel Gal.  Image popped right up there on Military.com.  Can you tell if your dad is in the shot?

November 11, 2008 11:51 PM
724 10photoviewsCom-100Com-300First-comFirst-photoHr-1 Capt Neptune said...

Greetings Celt, glad to have you aboard, you're sure to enjoy the ride.


http://flickr.com/photos/fauxaddress/2976627898/in/pool-wwii


"Rebel Gal was issued to another crew after HBC's crew left for the states...After the 489th came home in Dec 1944, She went to the 392nd Bomb Group and another crew based in Wendling England, who flew her on several more combat missions".  I believe the photo of which you speak is the latter.  Ironicly, Larry (my guitarist) gave me a magazine (Air Classics) with an article about Rebel Gal the day I returned from our trip.  Air Classics Vol 43 Number 10 11/31/07.


Thanks for your story, it was very moving.


Kindlee:  Thanks, and thanks for your post.

November 12, 2008 12:07 AM
1058 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Olivia said...

Welcome, welcome, lowcountrypen, Gustina, turnip, TetVet68, CptMatt, and intuit.


Cead mile failte, Celt!


Hope I got everyone. I can't recall this many reinforcements all at once-COOL!

November 12, 2008 12:08 AM
1150 10photoviewsCom-100First-comFirst-photoHr-1 Tiberius said...

My humble and heartfelt gratitude and thank-you goes out to all of our nations service men and women, and veterans, including my mother and father. It is your hard work, sacrifice, patriotism, and dedication to us, that binds our nation together, and keeps it safe and free. It was always my honor and privilege to serve among you, and I will never forget you.

November 12, 2008 12:22 AM
1058 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Olivia said...

TIIIIIIIII!!! Where you been, dude? Anyway, wb.

November 12, 2008 12:52 AM
1150 10photoviewsCom-100First-comFirst-photoHr-1 Tiberius said...

Pretty much been here all along. Just didn't have much to say that wasn't already being said, and much more eloquently than I could, by someone else.

BTW-Thanks for missing me, in your post a few days back. You honor me.

November 12, 2008 1:27 AM
519 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 DreadPirateRoberts said...

Hey, Tiberius!  Very nice to have you back!  And that's a beautiful new picture and so appropriate for the day.

November 12, 2008 1:35 AM
First-comHr-1 poulsenjosh said...

On the 11th Day of the 11th month each year, Americans come together to honor those in uniform, the ones who sacrificed for our nation, on Veterans Day. As a veteran of the Iraq and Afghanistan, War on Terror, I urge everyone to take this day to not just thank a veteran, but to talk with veterans. Learn about how our experiences have shaped our lives and what issues we face as we make our transitions back to civilian life. I would like to explain my side of the story, my own experience.

When I joined the military I was a young, confused kid, who did not know much about life, due to being sheltered for most of my life by my over protective parents. I did not know much about the war, just that I was enraged at the hatred those terrorists had for all Americans and me. I wanted to help my country, to protect it at all cost, even giving up my life to do so. It may sound funny but when I initially tried to enlist in the military, I was to be a military post-man, but the job had already been taken. Since I am color-blind, I wasn’t able to have a range of opportunities in the military. My placement was therefore in Mortuary Affairs Specialist. I felt that I grew up quicker in my years in service than most people do in their whole lifetime.

I was nineteen years old on February 8th, 2002. It was kind of cold for Phoenix as I reached the Airport headed to Fort Jackson, in South Carolina for basic training. Upon reaching Fort Jackson, referred by some in the service as relaxant Jackson, I found that the life I had chosen would not be as easy as I thought. Those first couple of days I got a hair cut, issued uniforms, and learned the waiting line for training was long. During this time, since 9/11, there was a mass influx of new recruits; the Army had problems finding them units to train in. For me I was lucky kind of, since I had a school date that did not come around very often, they tried to offer me another job, but I turn them down, I was shipped from Fort Jackson, then to Fort Lenderwood Missionary. The Ozark Mountains are cold and during winter, it was unbearable. It was an extreme change for me because I was mostly familiar with the hot weather in Phoenix, AZ. Exercising and running in extreme weather with being out shape was horrible. There was no special treatment for anyone but the drill sergeants made me work twice as hard. The treatment I received was something similar to a movie, where the fat kid got picked on and abused, but it was some thing I needed in order to become who I need to be. Despite this, I worked hard, did everything I was ordered to do, and eventually I graduated from boot camp with a new physique. During graduation, my fellow recruits honored me with “The Most Changed Person” reward, the Order of the Dragoon.

I was off to my next challenge, training for my MOS. When I reached Fort Lee, Virginia, I missed my start date and had to wait for the next one. This meant that I couldn’t get a pass to go anywhere; I had to just sit at the barracks, clean the floors, and do KP duty. After awhile this routine got incommodious. I was so happy on Memorial Day 2002, because the next day I was scheduled to start school. Then all of a sudden, I had horrible stomach pains, and could not figure what it was. So I was sent me off to the ER, the doctors initially diagnosed appendix problems. The one-hour surgery was then scheduled immediately, however it took five hours to complete. Apparently, my appendix had been ruptured for over a month including basic training. The surgeons said I am so lucky to be alive. I got a month off to recover and relax. When I got back to Fort Lee, I had to wait another month for class, so eventually when I got to school; I did my best to learn about my job and almost graduated at the top of my class. The reason why I did not graduate at the top of my class was due to my stomach muscles not fully recovering, which made doing sit-ups very hard. I did it because I wanted to join my unit at Fort Lee.

My feelings of excitement and wanting to serve were still in tact even after months of prolong waiting and recovery. In order to be all that I could be, to be the best, I exceed my own abilities by 120%. The mindset I had, came a long way (physically from Phoenix and mentally from the first story I heard about the terrorist attacks), I had really changed for the better. In the first year, I received my first (minor) medal, the Army Achievement Medal. With this acknowledgement from the Army, I wanted to speed up my deployment overseas to Afghanistan, but that wasn’t going to happen until March 18th 2003. According to orders, my team that I was assigned to from my unit wasn’t schedule to arrive in Iraq first. Instead, I worked in the Theater Mortuary Affairs Evacuation Point, a place that went nonstop for the first three months.

Sleep was limited to when I did not hear a helicopter, and when body’s slowed down coming in. In the states I had worked at the Richmond Morgue, but war was different. Instead of just seeing some one you did not know in the states, in Kuwait you learn to know every one, due to them wearing the same uniform, and inventorying all their personal effects, you knew who they wear when they left. Not only was our job to process Americans, but we also helped process British, and any other Allies. During this time I saw the mistakes we made, such as shooting British helicopter down with Sam missiles, and killing Brazilin journalist when we hit the wrong building, during that time I saw the horrors that mankind was possible of. I start experiences, problems, and tried to seek medical help, but I was deferred and told I would be fine. My excitement had come to an end, and I start to get in trouble, pretty soon my 1st Sgt, thought that I was not experiencing enough of the war, so he sent me to the Iraq, Camp Alsad. In Camp Alsad, was slow, but became difficult. Some of the soldiers I ate with at the chow hall, and knew were head on a rest and relaxation mission, but instead of making it, their helicopter was shot down. My team had to go clean the site, recover the bodies, and inventory their belongings. Man life is tough, but even tougher if you know the people. There were two other tough missions. The first were, when three Special Forces soldiers had been killed, when they were given orders not to shoot into a crowd even if they were receiving fire, not only did we have to process their bodies, but we also had to process the bodies of the people who had killed them. We are mortuary affairs first, and as such we have a moral obligation not to look at uniform, or lack of one, but to look at the person and understand their journey had come to a end, and it was our job to treat them with respect because every one has family and friends that care for them, it was not are job to judge right or wrong, which is very hard. The second tough mission was when we went with a convoy head to a site, that they had reportedly killed Sadam Husain, but in fact the compound was filled with animals and women and children. I do not think the Air Force meant to kill them, they were trying to do there job in following cell phone singles, and when they split, they went after the most likely target. On this mission two things had happened. One back in Alsad I was having bad night terrors, but the person in charge of my team figured the answer was not sending me back, but instead was to put me on night duty, and to change the location I slept on, in the location I was, this almost spelled disaster for me and my friend, when I woke up and started to scream at the top of my lungs, the people sleeping around the truck react and were about to shoot in the back of the truck, when my Sgt yelled stop he is just dreaming, oh thank god. The second thing is as I stated before, we are trained to respect the dead, and their belongings. This did not transfer to the people there, instead they were ordered to bury everything, destroy all evidence and move on. That pretty much covers Iraq.

When I got back to the states, I faced many hardships under the care of the Army. I am like millions of other veterans dealing with mental and physical scars of war. Most Americans will never know about these issues because it is not covered in the news or articles. The Army has become a two-sided issue for me; it was once a place where I wanted to succeed at being a great solider and fight for our rights and our country. Now that I came home I am still fighting another battle, however, this fight, I fight alone. I am trying to cope with sudden flashbacks, traumatizing combat events, hyper-vigilance to the recurrence of danger, feelings of numbness, low self-esteem, rage, and lapses in concentration. All of these have caused me to descend in my quality of life. I thought the Army and my unit would continue to care for me, treat me as a fellow solider, and assist me with finding resources for coping and healing. However, this was not the case, my unit classified me as a troublemaker, an unfit solider. As a result, they discharged me out of the Army abruptly without taking responsibility for the causes of my PTSD illnesses. Like other soldiers, I tried to reach out for help but once the system failed, I tried to commit suicide twice during my service. Luckily, both times, one of my few friends stopped me. This incident put me in a mental hospital involuntarily, where they doped me up on strong medicines, and no one cared to seek the reasons behind the action. I wasn’t allowed to receive my care at the Army hospital, because if procedures were followed, there would have been a long investigation and no one wanted to take the time to take care of their wounded soldiers with PTSD. Instead, I was discharged immediately with personality disorder. This seems to be the common practice for the Army, not just in my case but also 20,000 other veterans. At 5 P.M. September 16, 2004, my last official orders from the Army were, TO GET OUT!! Heavily medicated, I received my car keys, and was told to drive over 5000 miles, all the way home to Phoenix, Arizona. My feelings that proscribed afterwards are indescribable.

Even though I am still in my own body, this whole experience has shaped my life. Following my physical return home to Phoenix, AZ, I, however, didn’t return home with my state of mentality. My homecoming wasn’t what I imagined, that is because it was based on tv and movies I’ve seen about returning soldiers as hero’s. I became hospitalized time and time again.

Don’t worry, my story gets better and does have a great beginning. This new chapter in my life begins with the chance meeting the love of my life, my wife. With her continued support, I am able to handle some things on my own. A great support system, love, understanding, and patience, is what I think all soldiers should have and receive upon their return home. After all, the important issue is that we are all humans! With the good and the bad, we will always have our memories.

So on this Veterans Day and every day the best way to honor our veterans is to connect with them. So please remember and honor our fellow humans, our veterans. Without recognition from our family and friends, it doesn’t seem like all of our efforts make a difference. Many of us new veterans are being left behind, we have honored you by defending your rights, and all we ask is to welcome us home.

Sincerely,
Joshua C. Poulsen
Iraq and Afghanistan Veteran

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November 12, 2008 12:20 PM
1058 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Olivia said...

Welcome, josh-and thanks!

November 12, 2008 1:24 PM
10photoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 Kindlee said...

Welcome to all the newbies! Thank you for your contributions.


Joshua,


Welcome home and thank you for sharing your story. I wish you well.


I also wish every veteran could have a great support system. It's shameful the military doesn't seem to have learned much about that from the past.


Actually, if wishes could come true, I wish the military didn't need to exist...

November 12, 2008 11:33 PM
1150 10photoviewsCom-100First-comFirst-photoHr-1 Tiberius said...

DPR - Thank-you. That picture was taken at Olan Mills a couple years after the Gulf War, if memory serves.

Joshua - I was very saddened by your story. I wish I could say that you were an exception, but I know better. I have seen many heroes, like yourself, treated with equal shabbiness, and lack of care. Not all, but way too many.

I would suggest that you don't give up, but continue to fight the system for proper treatment and recompense. Write to your congressman, talk to the VA, and the VFW, and anyone else that will pay attention, but don't give up. You deserve better. I am so sorry that our country seems to have turned its collective back on you. You shouldn't have to work at getting proper care, but it looks as though you will have to. Thank-you, my friend, for your service to us, and I wish you the greatest of good fortune.

November 12, 2008 11:57 PM
519 10photoviews10videoviewsCom-100Com-300Com-500First-comFirst-photoFirst-videoHr-1Hr-10Hr-5 DreadPirateRoberts said...

Thank you, Joshua.  Please know that you are not alone.  As your wife has shown you and, I hope, as those of us who have welcomed you here have shown you, you are not alone.  I hope you need never be alone.  Bless.

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